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Why [Penn Jillette] Won't Call Out Islam or Scientology ("... because we have families.")
Reason.com ^ | 06/26/10 | Matt Welch

Posted on 06/26/2010 1:37:54 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Are there any groups you won't go after?

We haven't tackled Scientology because Showtime doesn't want us to. Maybe they have deals with individual Scientologists—I'm not sure. And we haven't tackled Islam because we have families.

Meaning, you won’t attack Islam because you’re afraid it’ll attack back ...

Right, and I think the worst thing you can say about a group in a free society is that you’re afraid to talk about it—I can’t think of anything more horrific. [...]

(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: cowardice; disappearingtestes; gay; islam; liberalmediabias; napl; pennjillette
Altered title to remove obscenity, as per FR rules.
1 posted on 06/26/2010 1:37:58 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: Mr. Silverback; martin_fierro; Slings and Arrows; Allegra

Ping.


2 posted on 06/26/2010 1:38:39 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Yet, we let allow this muslim sub-human culture to spread in this country.


3 posted on 06/26/2010 1:43:12 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember ("Subtlety is not going to win this fight": NJ Governor Chris Christie)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Kent, you obviously don’t ever watch P & T on Showtime. They are ritual apologists for all things libertine and boorish. Apparently, excess has not grown tedious enough for them yet? If you think P & T’s cowardice here’s troublesome, you should watch them surrender to such obviously frivilous triffle’s as pre-marital sex, or illicit drug abuse. Basically, P & T stand for nothing and are worth much less. I feel sorry for them Kent. Wait til they get to answer for the millions of yound people that bye into their nilist philosophy.


4 posted on 06/26/2010 1:53:12 PM PDT by STD (Oil-Bambi's Revenge and econ 101 by the Father of Facist Capitalism)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Not to sound like an Internet tough guy, but...

I’ve written on Muhammad’s early military campaigns and how the teachings of “Allah” changed radically when Muhammad needed them too. It’s not likely, but any radical Muslim in my vicinity could hear about this (especially since my Rhet & Comp instructor has made it available to students as an example of a highly proficient paper and it’s been posted on the Web) and come whack me or my family. I don’t have the income to hire a bodyguard. But I was willing to put it on the line because it was true, and this false prophet has deceived billions with his 7th Century con game.

Penn & Teller are millionaires. They could hire bodyguards and security experts galore. But they’re afraid to challenge the con game.

Looks like somebody made their balls disappear.


5 posted on 06/26/2010 1:55:49 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Vuvuzela: The ancient, traditional, injection-molded polystyrene horn of the Zulu people.--Wideawake)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Great philosophy, only attack those who don't or can't fight back, hoe courageous.
6 posted on 06/26/2010 1:56:01 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: STD

They are not apologists at all. They are Libertarians who believe that the government should stay the hell out of people’s lives. I agree with them.


7 posted on 06/26/2010 1:57:21 PM PDT by teenyelliott (www.thewaterrock.com)
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To: STD
Kent, you obviously don’t ever watch P & T on Showtime.

Incorrect Assessment. I have seen assorted episodes from seasons One through Five, in plain point of fact. Liked some (the ones slamming irrational belief in UFOs, communicating with the dead via ouija board, etc.), disliked others.

Next question...? ;)

8 posted on 06/26/2010 1:57:27 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Looks like somebody made their balls disappear.

Oh, agreed, absolutely. Check my keywords for this article. ;)

9 posted on 06/26/2010 1:58:44 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: Mr. Silverback; traderrob6
Writing what you think of Muslims on the internet and taking them apart on television when you are famous are two very, very different things.

I certainly don't blame them for being honest. I have children, and I won't put their lives in danger to take on Muslims either.

10 posted on 06/26/2010 2:01:18 PM PDT by teenyelliott (www.thewaterrock.com)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Roger that!


11 posted on 06/26/2010 2:01:35 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Vuvuzela: The ancient, traditional, injection-molded polystyrene horn of the Zulu people.--Wideawake)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

IMO, there is a difference between being brave and being stupid.


12 posted on 06/26/2010 2:02:51 PM PDT by teenyelliott (www.thewaterrock.com)
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To: teenyelliott

Libertarian or not, they are cowards. And anyone who attacks the Boy Scouts is a putz short on reason and honor.


13 posted on 06/26/2010 2:11:19 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Vuvuzela: The ancient, traditional, injection-molded polystyrene horn of the Zulu people.--Wideawake)
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To: teenyelliott; Mr. Silverback
IMO, there is a difference between being brave and being stupid.

Granted. As the invaluable Mr. Silverback has already succinctly observed, however: "Penn & Teller are millionaires. They could hire bodyguards and security experts galore."

As a useful corollary to your own credo, above: there is, likewise, a yawning, cavernous difference between being prudent and craven. If even those blessed with both great wealth and easy, frequent mass media access are so glibly ready to lie down, lamb-like, and meekly submit... then: NO ONE shall willingly stand, ultimately, and we are already lost.

14 posted on 06/26/2010 2:13:08 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The biggest crime we commit is not speaking out. Silence is suicide. Found this from a Frosty Woolridge site.
Detroit may be one of our best examples of multiculturalism: pure dislike, and total separation from America . He is addressing the death of Detroit.

Today, you hear Muslim calls to worship over the city like a new American Baghdad with hundreds of Islamic mosques in Michigan , paid for by Saudi Arabia oil money. High school flunk out rates reached 76 percent last June, according to NBC’s Brian Williams. Classrooms resemble more foreign countries than America . English? Few speak it! The city features a 50 percent illiteracy rate and growing.


15 posted on 06/26/2010 2:15:25 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: teenyelliott

If the guys on South Park are brave enough, why not them?

Are they famous? Yes? Are they millionaires? Yes? Can they afford to secure themselves and their family? Yes.

Somebody made their balls disappear.


16 posted on 06/26/2010 2:17:02 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Vuvuzela: The ancient, traditional, injection-molded polystyrene horn of the Zulu people.--Wideawake)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

What a pussy.


17 posted on 06/26/2010 2:18:34 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

When is anybody going to stand up to these death cultists?

Pray for America


18 posted on 06/26/2010 2:18:44 PM PDT by bray (Did Rush say Complete Failure?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This is a real eye opener to what is happening in America.

http://www.ety.com/HRP/race/detroitdecline.htm


19 posted on 06/26/2010 2:23:23 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Mr. Silverback
Both of you are correct. I don't agree with everything they say; heck, I don't agree with everything anyone says.

However, I cannot disparage someone for simply being honest. He is scared of Muslims attacking his family, and that I can completely understand.

Of course I am thankful for those who are willing to put it all on the line to fight Islam. I know in my heart though that I am one of the many who are just too scared to ever speak up.

I guess I am a coward too, but my posistion has always been that my first responsibility is to protect my children right now, today, and not in some valiant selfless "it's for their future" kind of way.

20 posted on 06/26/2010 2:23:44 PM PDT by teenyelliott (www.thewaterrock.com)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Kent, you obviously don’t ever watch P & T on Showtime. They are ritual apologists for all things libertine and boorish. Apparently, excess has not grown tedious enough for them yet? If you think P & T’s cowardice here’s troublesome, you should watch them surrender to such obviously frivilous triffle’s as pre-marital sex, or illicit drug abuse. Basically, P & T stand for nothing and are worth much less. I feel sorry for them Kent. Wait til they get to answer for the millions of young people that buy into their nilist philosophy.


21 posted on 06/26/2010 2:26:12 PM PDT by STD (Oil-Bambi's Revenge and econ 101 by the Father of Facist Capitalism)
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To: All

Translation: I am a coward, I pick on christians because they live the life they are supposed to and dont attack me.

And I like them, but he is a coward.


22 posted on 06/26/2010 2:28:59 PM PDT by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Libertarian or not, they are cowards.

No, they just know the US government doesn't have their back. Our troops in Afghanistan know it, too.

23 posted on 06/26/2010 2:30:38 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: teenyelliott

“Both of you are correct. I don’t agree with everything they say; heck, I don’t agree with everything anyone says.

However, I cannot disparage someone for simply being honest. He is scared of Muslims attacking his family, and that I can completely understand.”

BS. If you aren’t willing to lambast everyone equally, then lambast no one. It comes with the territory.

Perhaps he better sell typewriters for a living, it’s safer.


24 posted on 06/26/2010 2:30:44 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Mr. Silverback
Looks like somebody made their balls disappear.
Great Line.
25 posted on 06/26/2010 2:44:13 PM PDT by jrg
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To: teenyelliott
I certainly don't blame them for being honest. I have children, and I won't put their lives in danger to take on Muslims either.
Damned lucky for America that none of our Founding Fathers had children.
Our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor.
26 posted on 06/26/2010 2:55:51 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This is a sad commentary not only on P&T but others as well, such as Comedy Central. They’re like a schoolyard bully who only picks on and mocks those whom they know cannot or will not retaliate. However, the moment they encounter someone who so much as threatens to get physical they shut down and cower.

I wouldn’t have any problem whatsoever with these people were they not such jerks. Comedy need not be so mean-spirited and callous. But what compounds the problem is a cruel nature coupled with cowardice. Not a very becoming combination.


27 posted on 06/26/2010 3:01:20 PM PDT by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: STD

From the interview, makes them sound a bit better than what you would say (they also have debunked Walmart bashers, enemas, new age, chiropractic medicine, etc) It’s just because they gore your particular ox that you get upset with them.

But as I said:

Teller and I have been brutal to Christians, and their response shows that they’re good fucking Americans who believe in freedom of speech. We attack them all the time, and we still get letters that say, “We appreciate your passion. Sincerely yours, in Christ.” Christians come to our show at the Rio and give us Bibles all the time. They’re incredibly kind to us. Sure, there are a couple of them who live in garages, give themselves titles and send out death threats to me and Bill Maher and Trey Parker. But the vast majority are polite, open-minded people, and I respect them for that.


28 posted on 06/26/2010 3:01:20 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: oh8eleven
I think you mean "Damned lucky for America that none of our Founding Fathers wes teenyelliott." And there you would be right.

I never claimed to be a hero. What I am is a mom who puts her kids above ALL other Earthly things.

I think the obvious reason so many are still in awe of the Founders is that they were so willing to give everything for their country. Many like to say that they would, but I doubt that would be true.

29 posted on 06/26/2010 3:13:34 PM PDT by teenyelliott (www.thewaterrock.com)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Succumbing to fear has practically become a virtue.


30 posted on 06/26/2010 3:40:34 PM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: teenyelliott; oh8eleven; All
Many like to say that they would, but I doubt that would be true.

Just when you think you are safe. When you think this can't happen (to me) it will.

I have no problem speaking out against the evils of Islam. An example.

My nephew is this young man.

When it comes to our kids, what else can we do, but to give them EVERYTHING. We are fighting for Evan's freedom. Against the US Government. Penn Jillette is a POS coward.


31 posted on 06/26/2010 4:01:50 PM PDT by bigheadfred (I said free association. Not freely associate.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; ...
Apparently Trey Parker and Matt Stone are the only people the entertainment business with any [guts].


32 posted on 06/26/2010 4:48:41 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I’ve always wondered how you’d threaten Penn with hellfire. The man lives in Vegas year-round already.


33 posted on 06/26/2010 4:57:45 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

That said, if Penn started to go after Islam, would you want to be the jihadi detailed to take his head?


34 posted on 06/26/2010 5:07:52 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

An Israeli spokesman once said of the constant need to be on defense against the Arabs, “They only have to win one time”. Penn Jillette most likely doesn’t want to live like Israel.


35 posted on 06/26/2010 5:21:41 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Stimulus ~ Response)
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To: RichInOC
I’ve always wondered how you’d threaten Penn with hellfire. The man lives in Vegas year-round already.

Try the opposite of fire. For example, threaten him with having to perform outside at the Red Lion in Elko for all of eternity.

36 posted on 06/26/2010 5:22:33 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Thomas Sowell FTW!)
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To: STD

Did you see their BullSh*t show on martial arts? They said it was a waste of time, costly, dangerous and you’re better off just carrying a gun if you fear for your life or need protection since the risk is the same if you kill someone.


37 posted on 06/26/2010 6:43:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Can’t stand ‘em. They’re as unfunny as unfunny gets. Nasty, snide, needling sense of humor, delivered with a superior air. I’m fine with their politics, regretfully understand their hands-off approach to Islam (guess they’ll leave that to that Dead Terrorist puppet guy), etc. Still can’t stand ‘em. Penn makes my skin crawl.


38 posted on 06/26/2010 7:43:52 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: Slings and Arrows

Hubby and I saw Penn and Teller in person a very long time ago; I don’t even remember exactly when. Penn was still thin, that’s how long. Their show was spectacular, more magic than jokes, and we thoroughly enjoyed it.

Not everyone is as brave as our people in the military.


39 posted on 06/26/2010 7:49:49 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Penn seems smart, it's said he's intelligent, yet he fails to see the cowardice and bullying of attacking those who can't or won't fight back and giving wide berth to the dangerous.

And we're supposed to laugh, haha, he's soooooo funny. /sarc

40 posted on 06/26/2010 7:50:22 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Like these guys?
http://www.reynoldsprotection.com/Aboutus2.html


41 posted on 06/26/2010 9:46:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Sic the Scientoligists on the Mohammedans;it will be a battle of savages armed with futuristic alien technology versus 7th century savages armed with 20th century weapons.


42 posted on 06/27/2010 8:00:14 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: bigheadfred; Travis McGee; Lurker; Eaker; hiredhand; SLB; MileHi; glock rocks; ExSoldier; ...

Good to know we can support his wife and kids with some cash till he is free again.......

http://freeevanvela.blogspot.com/

http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/Iskandariyah/DefendOurTroops.htm

http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w71.html


43 posted on 06/27/2010 9:19:59 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos; All
Thank you very much Squantos. The cost of defending Evan in Baghdad literally broke this family financially. I enlisted the aid of the United American Patriots and they are paying for Evan's appeal. They have been very good at seeing money donated to Evan and his cause reaches Evan and his family.

Donate in Evan's name here.

http://unitedpatriots.org/

This is the link to the Attorneys representing Evan on the Appeal. They are being paid through contributions to the UAP.

Gary Meyers

44 posted on 06/27/2010 9:43:12 AM PDT by bigheadfred (I said free association. Not freely associate.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Libertarian or not, they are cowards. And anyone who attacks the Boy Scouts is ... short on reason and honor.

*******************

Agreed.

45 posted on 06/27/2010 9:45:47 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Squantos; All

Tasha Siepert on the paypal on the freeevanvela site is Evan’s stepsister. You can rest assured every dollar sent there goes directly to Evan’s family.

Donations made to the UAP are tax deductible.


46 posted on 06/27/2010 9:49:37 AM PDT by bigheadfred (I said free association. Not freely associate.)
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