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UK: No talks on Falklands, [PM] David Cameron tells Argentina
The Telegraph ^ | 6/26/2010 | Patrick Hennessy

Posted on 06/26/2010 4:02:07 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

David Cameron is set to restate "robustly" Britain's sovereignty over the Falkland Islands in unscheduled talks with the Argentine president at the G20 gathering of world leaders.

British sources said the Prime Minister would starkly turn down a fresh request from Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner for talks on the issue as tensions rose once again between the two nations.


Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner

Mr Cameron was expected to make his point to Ms Kirchner either during an official leaders' dinner at the Toronto summit last night or at some point in the "margins" of official discussions on Sunday.

A source close to Mr Cameron said: "He will be robust. He will make the point again that our position on the sovereignty of the Falklands has not changed and will not change."

Tensions have risen since Rockhopper, a British drilling company, announced "potential signs" of oil in Falkland Island waters - although they did not say that commercial quantities were present.

British sources say Argentina has used the find as a pretext to "revisit the sovereignty issue". Last week a United Nations committee passed a non-binding resolution calling for the two countries to restart talks.

Mr Cameron was telling Ms Kirchner there would be no talks so long as Islanders said they still wanted to be governed by Britain under the internationally recognised legal principle of "self determination."

Since the 10-week Falklands War in 1982, which claimed 257 British and 649 Argentinians, Argentina has continued to claim sovereignty over the islands and officially refers to them as "Las Malvinas."

The US recognises Britain's "administration" of the Falklands, stopping short of fully endorsing its sovereignty.

Some observers were surprised that Mr Cameron was ready to use his first attendance at a major international gathering to

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: argentina; davidcameron; falklands; malvinas

1 posted on 06/26/2010 4:02:10 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

“Don’t make us come over there and kick your ass again.”


2 posted on 06/26/2010 4:02:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bruinbirdman
Don't Give up the sheep !
3 posted on 06/26/2010 4:07:19 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: bruinbirdman
Don't Give up the sheep !
4 posted on 06/26/2010 4:07:30 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: dfwgator

Happy to remind them about Sandy Woodward, Jeremy Moore, Col. Jones and Sgt. McKay. A lot has changed in 28 years but never underestimate the British.


5 posted on 06/26/2010 4:14:40 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: bruinbirdman
Didn't the Argentinians get their butt kicked enough over this by Maggie Thatcher back in 1982? Do they really want to engage in “Smackdown II” and have it handed to them once again? Oh well, just like the Arabs v Israel, some just never learn.
6 posted on 06/26/2010 4:15:00 PM PDT by JPG (Mr. Gore, or is it Mr. Stone or Mr. Woody? Whatever, you're under arrest.)
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To: bruinbirdman

I would guess the Brit’s are not counting on any Intell regarding invasion fleets from Argentina from President Obozo and the VP Dolt.


7 posted on 06/26/2010 4:17:08 PM PDT by BilLies
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To: bruinbirdman

Do they even have a carrier these days


8 posted on 06/26/2010 4:18:42 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: JPG
This is not Thatcher's Britain. It's highly unlikey the Brits could prevail in another military campaign. They lack the Naval assets they had back in the 80's.

L

9 posted on 06/26/2010 4:26:06 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Not to mention friends like Ron Reagan and the people who elected him. They liked the Obamaites during our election campaign and will have to live with them just like the american Jews will have to live with the Obamaite Israeli policies.


10 posted on 06/26/2010 4:34:07 PM PDT by BilLies
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To: Lurker

“This is not Thatcher’s Britain. It’s highly unlikey the Brits could prevail in another military campaign. They lack the Naval assets they had back in the 80’s.”

...which is exactly why there is new saber-rattling.


11 posted on 06/26/2010 5:08:18 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: dfwgator
“Don’t make us come over there and kick your ass again.”

Nice to say but this time the government of the United States, and its Supreme Leader is siding with the Argentines.

ML/NJ

12 posted on 06/26/2010 5:13:32 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: dfwgator
>Don’t make us come over there and kick your ass again.”

Considering that England no longer has even that pathetic remnant of a once mighty deep water Navy, they ought to mind their English manners.
This time Argentina might just kick their ass off again for good.

13 posted on 06/26/2010 5:28:47 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: The Antiyuppie

So do the argies. And this time, they would be facing more than a mere score of Royal Marines like they did last time they invaded. They would be facing over 1,000 troops (most of them battle-hardened from a stint or two in Helmand), a Squadron of Eurofighters, artillery, and AAA missile batteries, at least one warship, as well as the local FIDF acting as an auxiliary to the main garrison.
The airbase at RAF Mount Pleasant also means that more men and equipment could be strategically airlifted in during the rise in tensions that would precede an invasion...


14 posted on 06/26/2010 5:30:11 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: bruinbirdman

Way to Go Cameron, now if only you could get Hong Kong back from the Chinese..!


15 posted on 06/26/2010 5:47:11 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: dfwgator

Hmm...does the UK still have a navy?


16 posted on 06/26/2010 5:48:26 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: bruinbirdman

Got PILF?


17 posted on 06/26/2010 6:06:05 PM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: The Antiyuppie
"...which is exactly why there is new saber-rattling."

UK has a new PM.

So, if a bet were to be laid . . . .?

yitbos

18 posted on 06/26/2010 6:07:58 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: uncbob
Do they even have a carrier these days


The UK still has three of these I believe... One is in reserve and may need 18 months to reactivate.

Jump jet mini-carriers - but that is what they had in 1982 as well...

19 posted on 06/26/2010 6:26:30 PM PDT by az_gila (AZ - one Governor down... we don't want her back...)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

No blood for oil. ;’)


20 posted on 06/26/2010 7:09:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

The best defense the Brits have of the Falklands is a couple of nuclear subs ready to sink any vessel that approaches the islands. Any airborne troops could be handled by the troops on the ground.


21 posted on 06/26/2010 8:46:16 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: az_gila

Ark Royal class?


22 posted on 06/26/2010 10:30:12 PM PDT by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: ffusco
Ark Royal class?

It's the Invincible Class.

But HMS Ark Royal is the newest, with HMS Illustrious still active, while it's the Invincible that is in storage.

I still remember going on the previous HMS Ark Royal when I was a kid - it was about twice the tonnage of the present one. Going up to the flight deck on the airplane lift was a thrill.

23 posted on 06/26/2010 10:55:25 PM PDT by az_gila (AZ - one Governor down... we don't want her back...)
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To: Lurker

What absolute horse manure.

The Argentines have scrapped their only amphibious vessel and the islands are defended by state of the art fighters and 1,000 troops.

You clearly do not have a clue.


24 posted on 06/28/2010 3:18:04 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: Oldexpat

Airborne troops would be dead in the sunken wreck of their aircraft before it came within a hundred miles of the place.

The Falkands has air defense radars and fighters on constant alert.


25 posted on 06/28/2010 3:20:11 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: bill1952

They have no amphibious ships anymore, they scrapped their last one in 1997.

They are still flying the same aircraft that had they lost 21 of in air combat without making a single kill in return.

Just how, in your rather intresting scenario are they going to kick anyone off anything, never mind the 1,000 troops, air defense radars, SAM sites, Typhoon fighters etc etc ?

Seriously everytime this thread appears some fool spouts this BS without even bothering to use Google.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Falkland_Islands

The UK expediture on the defence of the Falkands exceeds the ENTIRE defence budget of Argentina !!!

http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Sentinel-Security-Assessment-South-America/Defence-budget-Argentina.html


26 posted on 06/28/2010 3:35:00 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: Stolly

Before you accuse anyone else of being obtuse, look at a map - then the mirror.
They can attack the falklands far easier than can England defend them and it is not impossible for them to do it.
England no longer has the will to expend resourse & effort & everyone knows it - Except perhaps you.


27 posted on 06/29/2010 8:13:56 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952

I predict that Stolly will shortly point out that the UK (of which England is a part) has sufficient military assets in place in theater to kick Argentina’s ass and that it has a greater ability to resupply its forces than do the Argentines.


28 posted on 06/29/2010 8:25:05 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: bill1952

Its the United Kingdom, since you have a desire for accuracy. It wasn’t New York that invaded Afghanistan in 2001 was it ?

Yes, lets look at the map. Lets look at that 300 miles of ocean that is patrolled by fighter aircraft that outclass and within a few days match in numbers the fighter aircraft of Argentina. Lets also express wonder at the clueless people who think an invasion force that consists of Argentina’s single amphibious assault vessel (built in WWII) can escape destruction by the SSN believed to be on patrol, just like the General Belgrano didn’t.

Never mind the fact that their LST doesn’t even exist anymore since it was scrapped in 1997.

What a very strange place you inhabit.


29 posted on 06/29/2010 12:57:57 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: Mr. Lucky

Heh i didn’t see your reply before i posted ;)

I would also point out that Argentina really needs to hurry up with this invasion since by 2019 the UK will have two new carriers in service (currently being built) carrying as many as 100 F35’s which compare interestingly with Argentina’s grand total of 21 fighters all based on 40 year old designs.


30 posted on 06/29/2010 1:14:18 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: Stolly
When next you're having tea with the First Lord of the Admiralty, could you suggest that a couple of Supermarine Seafires on the new carriers would win extra points for style? I'm just askin’.
31 posted on 06/29/2010 1:26:17 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

That’s probably one of the best ideas i’ve seen for a very long time :)

In fact i’d suspect a Fairy Swordfish would be able to take off unassisted from the new class, i’d pay money to see that happen.


32 posted on 06/30/2010 12:06:50 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: bruinbirdman

Be careful, Britain...those Argentines can throw a mean snowball.


33 posted on 06/30/2010 12:12:22 PM PDT by Allegra (My seventh chakra is oppressed.)
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To: Allegra

Part of me wishes England could have beaten Germany in the WC, just so they could shut up that cheater Maradona once and for all.


34 posted on 06/30/2010 12:14:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Good grief....is Maradona still playing? I've got time zone/long work hours issues and have only seen bits of the games the US was in.

In the late 90s/early 00s when I was going to Argentina on business trips, they were all ga-ga over Fangio-Somebody.

35 posted on 06/30/2010 12:43:44 PM PDT by Allegra (My seventh chakra is oppressed.)
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To: Allegra

Maradona is the coach of Argentina.


36 posted on 06/30/2010 12:45:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bruinbirdman

The UK should make a deal to sell them and get their people out of there before the Argentines occupy the island.

The Argentines can count on Obama sitting on his hands. This would be the time for them to act.


37 posted on 06/30/2010 12:48:41 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Oooops....sorry. (But Maradona was a player at one time, right? Quite popular?)

I guess I should start paying more attention now that it's almost over.

38 posted on 06/30/2010 12:50:35 PM PDT by Allegra (My seventh chakra is oppressed.)
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To: dfwgator
Post #38 was meant for you.

It's been a looooong day...

39 posted on 06/30/2010 12:51:44 PM PDT by Allegra (My seventh chakra is oppressed.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

The only way they are going to get onto those islands is via a secret 300 mile long sub ocean tunnel.


40 posted on 06/30/2010 4:07:56 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: Stolly

Some of them might wash ashore.


41 posted on 06/30/2010 4:38:54 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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