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Assembly bill would ban free bags at California grocery stores
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 06/26/2010 | Jim SanderS

Posted on 06/27/2010 12:14:26 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Paper or plastic? Soon the answer may be neither. California would become the first state to ban grocery, liquor and drug stores from providing free paper or plastic bags under legislation pushed by Democrats and supported by Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The goal is to fight litter and lighten the load on landfills by getting shoppers to use reusable fabric bags. Those who don't could buy paper bags for a nickel or more.

"I think the proliferation of plastic bags is unnecessary, and it's a pollutant, an urban tumbleweed," Assemblywoman Julia Brownley, D-Santa Monica, said of the lightweight bags that can litter yards and clog waterways. Californians use about 19 billion plastic bags per year, about 552 bags apiece, according to a legislative committee analysis of Brownley's proposal, Assembly Bill 1998. Tim Shestek of the American Chemistry Council said the plastic bag industry would rather pay to bolster recycling programs than ban plastic bags. He said that with California's economy struggling, it makes no sense to jeopardize about 500 plastic-bag manufacturing jobs and to promote paper bags that produce more greenhouse gas during their life cycle than plastic bags do. "We frankly think this is a dangerous precedent for the state to be setting," Shestek said.

The crackdown on disposable bags would cost an estimated $1.5 million the first year and $1 million annually to launch, administer and Advertisement

enforce, payable from fees on makers of reusable bags. AB 1998 was approved by the Assembly this month on a party-line vote, 42-27, with Republicans opposed; it is pending in the Senate. Schwarzenegger praised the bill when it cleared the lower house, calling it "a great victory for our environment."

Shoppers outside a West Sacramento Raley's grocery store had mixed feelings.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1998; callegislation; plasticbags; stupidity
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1 posted on 06/27/2010 12:14:27 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Is there nothing the democrats won’t try to regulate?


2 posted on 06/27/2010 12:17:52 AM PDT by packrat35 (Planned Parenthood - Keeping healthcare costs down, one fetus at a time)
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To: nickcarraway

Nice to see the priorities straight in the CA legislature. Outlawing plastic bags is more important than dealing with a full-blown illegal invasion.


3 posted on 06/27/2010 12:19:12 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: packrat35

“Is there nothing the democrats won’t try to regulate?”

They will NEVER leave us alone.


4 posted on 06/27/2010 12:21:31 AM PDT by Boucheau (http://newzeal.blogspot.com/)
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To: nickcarraway; All

Washington, DC recently instituted a 5 cent charge for any plastic bag provided at a store that sells any food, even small amounts. That fee goes to a dedicated fund for river clean up I think.


5 posted on 06/27/2010 12:22:42 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: packrat35

Yes. Teaching sex to grade schoolers.


6 posted on 06/27/2010 12:23:16 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I use the bags for trashbags or luggage. I’m not kidding. What is wrong with libs that they must control everything?


7 posted on 06/27/2010 12:24:09 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: packrat35
Is there nothing the democrats won’t try to regulate?

Answer: No.
Those sick animals are so greedy for money and power that it wouldn't surprise me to see them even try to regulate salt.


Oh...

8 posted on 06/27/2010 12:25:51 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: packrat35

Yes. Illegals, deviant sexual behavior, drugs and crime. Everything else is fair game.


9 posted on 06/27/2010 12:26:20 AM PDT by Brytani (Allen West for Congress!!! Go Allen!!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: nickcarraway

freakin’ loons!


10 posted on 06/27/2010 12:27:44 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: nickcarraway
AB 1998 was approved by the Assembly this month on a party-line vote, 42-27, with Republicans opposed; it is pending in the Senate. Schwarzenegger praised the bill when it cleared the lower house, calling it "a great victory for our environment."
11 posted on 06/27/2010 12:31:27 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: nickcarraway

Reusable fabric bags are hardly a sufficient improvement. Shoppers should be provided with piles of straw and expected to weave their own baskets.


12 posted on 06/27/2010 12:32:10 AM PDT by Stultis (Democrats. Still devoted to the three S's: Slavery, Segregation and Socialism.)
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To: nickcarraway
Yes. Teaching sex to grade schoolers.

That may not be entirely correct. I think I read that the Democrats in Massachusetts frown on teaching "fisting" to kids below fifth grade. Maybe it was third grade...

13 posted on 06/27/2010 12:34:29 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Stultis

How about a law that you can only buy what you can carry home with two arms.


14 posted on 06/27/2010 12:34:57 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Any info on how much water would be used to wash the reusable bags so as to avoid ecoli etc?


15 posted on 06/27/2010 12:35:39 AM PDT by mainevet
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To: packrat35

Don’t worry, they are about to tax or regulate most of their tax-payers out of California... Guess they will be wondering why they have to keep raising taxes just to break even...

Just hope that the Feds stay out of the economical disaster that is heading their way.


16 posted on 06/27/2010 12:39:57 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: nickcarraway

To a liberal, if you pay for a plastic bag and it ends up in the landfill, it is not litter.


17 posted on 06/27/2010 12:42:25 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Release Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and let him and his family get on with their lives.)
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To: nickcarraway

My rat voted against it.


18 posted on 06/27/2010 12:52:46 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: nickcarraway

What a racket. Call it a pollutant and tax the hell out of the users and manufacturers. Pretty much anything that is in common use by the masses could fall under this category.


19 posted on 06/27/2010 12:53:15 AM PDT by csense
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To: nickcarraway

If it passes it will be easy to fight if you can get a number of people to help. Go to the store and check out with a cart full of groceries. Refuse to provide a bag. Ask for help carrying out your groceries. When they say they can’t carry your items out one at a time and refuse to provide a container tell them to cancel the order and give you your money back.


20 posted on 06/27/2010 12:58:53 AM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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To: nickcarraway; All
Why is it that most environmentalwacko nonsense actually makes our world a less healthy place to live?

Reusable Grocery Bags Crawling with Bacteria, Including E. Coli

21 posted on 06/27/2010 1:04:05 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Obama: "I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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To: packrat35

Is there nothing the democrats won’t try to regulate?

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Nope. This is the ‘total’ in ‘totalitarian’.


22 posted on 06/27/2010 1:05:32 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Let me be clear. The voluntary pancipation of Cinco de Quatro is mandated in all 57 states.)
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To: gleeaikin

I remember the massive drive to get rid of paper bags by the enviro nuts.

I drive by the farms out here in the spring, after the snow is gone, and they are just littered to death with the plastic bags that have collected from wind blowing, then they get wet and tend to stick to the fields or whatever else they can.

And, I think it was legislated that grocery stores go to plastic, at least here in Illinois.

Go down the trails by our Fox River, and they are also totally wrecked by the plastic bags, except where gub’mint workers are hired to clean them up. Some areas the BSA picks them up, but not “officially”. They would probably get sued by some union for doing so, so they have to sneak around to clean up the bags for the most part.

Also, I hate plastic bags because your groceries get smashed. Our old grocer trained the paper bag boys (yeah they were all school boys, girls did the registers) to pack them the right way, hard stuff on bottom, softies on top, and the bags were as square as could be (double bagged free of charge). Now if you ask for paper, they just jam it all in there however it fits. Still not as bad as plastic, but no one can pack a bag anymore, so the wife and I have been shopping at Aldi, taking our own baskets and packing them ourselves, and saving 200 bucks for the privilege of having an adult with ADD smash our foodstuffs.

sorry I got sidetracked.... point is, they legislated plastic bags, and the consequences of it has been horrible. Modern day parable of the consequences of legislation.


23 posted on 06/27/2010 1:14:05 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: nickcarraway

Here in Norway where I currently work, you have to pay for plastic grocery bags. So people bring their own and often times cloth like you can buy at Walmart.

I have been conscious of it now and amazed at how many bags they use at Wal mart when they bag your groceries. It is the buyer that pays the cost of all those bags. Bringing your own reusable bags to the grocery store is not the end of the world. It will reduce pollution, and the use of plastics.

Also if people had to put a couple of quarters to use a shopping cart they would return them to the places they should be instead of leaving them all over the parking lot.

Change is not always that bad.


24 posted on 06/27/2010 1:18:56 AM PDT by oilfieldtrash
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To: taxesareforever
To a liberal, if you pay for a plastic bag and it ends up in the landfill, it is not litter.

The Church of Gaia requires a donation for Mother Earth to cleanse the item and restore balance and harmony, thereby also cleansing you of your guilt, and restoring peace and harmony in your life. It is a true symbiosis and convergence of the spiritual and material. Only then can true wisdom be attained. It is therefore desireable to seek this enlightenment, even through imposition, for the species is more important than the individual.

Admit your guilt and submit unto Gaia, or perish under the weight of our taxes...

25 posted on 06/27/2010 1:20:16 AM PDT by csense
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To: oilfieldtrash
Change is not always that bad.

Change that confuses the symptom for the cause is always bad.

26 posted on 06/27/2010 1:26:36 AM PDT by csense
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To: oilfieldtrash

There’s a difference between a store deciding to charge it’s customers for bags and the government forcing them to make those charges.


27 posted on 06/27/2010 1:29:35 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: TigersEye

It’s not the grocery store owners and managers that are passing this insane bill. Stores will suffer too under this new law. Why would you jerk the grocery store around b/c of what California’s legislature is doing? How very short sighted of you and completely nonproductive.


28 posted on 06/27/2010 1:37:07 AM PDT by 1lawlady (To G-d be the glory. Great things He has done!)
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To: PghBaldy

I never just throw them out. I use them for all kinds of things, including trash.

If you asked most people, I’d be sure that at least a third of the bags have a secondary life.


29 posted on 06/27/2010 1:41:42 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Limousine liberals that doesn’t buy their own groceries force us how to shop.


30 posted on 06/27/2010 1:47:16 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: nickcarraway

I got through oddles of those plastic bags at my garage sales and they are good to put garbage in....but the cloth bags are nice, and hold more stuff. I even have one insulated for frozen food....


31 posted on 06/27/2010 2:09:16 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: nickcarraway

I might take a road trip to kali and sell Wal*Mart bags out of the back of my car!


32 posted on 06/27/2010 2:31:07 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: nickcarraway

Goverment IDIOTS. People will just bring their own paper or plastic bags.. Seems all politicians are morons....


33 posted on 06/27/2010 2:50:18 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: nickcarraway

A State that is bankrupt plans to spend millions of dollars to force citizens to use fabric grocery bags???
Why han’t the Second American Revolution started yet?


34 posted on 06/27/2010 2:56:25 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: nickcarraway

By this time next year, the California legislature will introduce a bill subsidizing reusable totes for the ‘less fortunate” and “underserved”.


35 posted on 06/27/2010 3:04:44 AM PDT by Artie
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Meanwhile, drowning in an ocean of scarlet red ink, crippling hoardes of illegal invaders, worthless overpaid civil servants, and throngs of welfare junkies, Calfornia Legislators no longer as “Paper or Plastic?” Instead, “Give us your cash and we’ll give you what we think you need.”


36 posted on 06/27/2010 3:19:58 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Artie

Don’t forget illegals!!!

Come to California for our lax laws, jobs American’s won’t do and free grocery bags!!!


37 posted on 06/27/2010 3:32:02 AM PDT by Brytani (Allen West for Congress!!! Go Allen!!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: nickcarraway
a law that you can only buy what you can carry home with two arms.


38 posted on 06/27/2010 3:32:37 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the world safe for Marxism)
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To: oilfieldtrash

Most grocery stores in the US now sell their own fabric bags as do other types of stores including some upscale department stores that are pushing their own bags. The Bloomies and Nordstrom’s bags are hugely popular where I live and you do see people using fabric bags for their shopping trips.

There is a huge difference between offering fabric bags to a consumer as an option to traditional packaging and forcing me to subsidize those on food stamps for their bags while charging me if I prefer to use plastic/paper.

You may have noticed that many of us talk about how we use grocery bags for other uses including recycling. This bill is not about change as you seem to think it is; the bill is nothing more then Nanny Statism from a State that is close to bankruptcy and should be dealing with the real issues affecting the State instead of worrying what bag a person uses when they grocery shop.


39 posted on 06/27/2010 3:43:21 AM PDT by Brytani (Allen West for Congress!!! Go Allen!!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: nickcarraway

What did you expect.
Arnold is a RINO married to a RAT.


40 posted on 06/27/2010 4:07:44 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Comrade O has to go; FIRE THE SHIFTLESS KENYAN NOW !!!)
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To: Lancey Howard

I wonder when Arnold Schwarzenegger-Kennedy will change parties.


41 posted on 06/27/2010 4:15:15 AM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty.)
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To: badgerlandjim

In WDC they have a $.05 “tax” on something that is free: grocery bags (both paper and plastic). Supposedly this is to help clean the Anacostia river. These asshat moonbat LIBs have been cleaning the Anacostia river for eons...it is still dirty! That’s after spending millions of taxpayer funds on a series of lame-brained ideas and programs to clean it. Then there is the study that shows high levels of e-coli bacteria on the reusable bags. I believe everyone should have a LIB assigned to them to carry their individual groceries home for them without any bags. For once LIBs might prove useful. That would be something unique in the history of civilization.


42 posted on 06/27/2010 4:47:22 AM PDT by hal ogen ($10 (I think) amounts through the internet from all over the world.)
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To: nickcarraway

Socialists would love to control all monetary transactions. But that would be communism. Regardless, that is their goal and this is one step on the way.


43 posted on 06/27/2010 4:52:25 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism: severe deterioration of the thinking apparattus)
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To: packrat35

They will be in your bedrooms and bathrooms next. Meanwhile, the state of CA is bankrupt and businesses and people are fleeing by the thousands.


44 posted on 06/27/2010 5:00:40 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Take back our country on November 2, 2010.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The state is bankrupt and Spanish will soon become the primary language.


45 posted on 06/27/2010 5:01:36 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Take back our country on November 2, 2010.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

¿Qué


46 posted on 06/27/2010 5:06:16 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fightinJAG
Reusable Grocery Bags Crawling with Bacteria, Including E. Coli

Just drumming up business for the 0bamaCare clinic near you.

47 posted on 06/27/2010 5:10:20 AM PDT by reg45
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To: nickcarraway

http://www.amazon.com/T-Shirt-Carryout-Bags-1000-ct/dp/B0025W9ALG";

...also at Sam’s Club.


48 posted on 06/27/2010 5:16:15 AM PDT by BobL (The whole point of being human is knowing when the party's over.)
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To: nickcarraway

OK, how about having customers buy 10,000 bags for a penny and give them a little card to punch each time they need one?


49 posted on 06/27/2010 5:27:05 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: nickcarraway

Laboratories of democracy have become the stomping grounds for socialists.


50 posted on 06/27/2010 5:30:37 AM PDT by PGalt
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