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What the sneaky left has really been doing to America
World Net Daily ^ | Posted: June 07, 2010

Posted on 06/27/2010 1:09:57 PM PDT by USALiberty

Sometime during the last half-century, America – the most magnificent and prosperous nation in the world – was stolen, according to June's special issue of Whistleblower magazine.

"Just 50 years ago, in the 1950s, America was a great place," writes author William Lind in the issue, titled "STEALTH ATTACK." "It was safe. It was decent. Children got good educations in the public schools. Even blue-collar fathers brought home middle-class incomes, so moms could stay home with the kids. Television shows reflected sound, traditional values.

"Where did it all go? How did that America become the sleazy, decadent place we live in today – so different that those who grew up prior to the '60s feel like it's a foreign country? Did it just 'happen'?

"It didn't just 'happen,'" Lind explains. "In fact, a deliberate agenda was followed to steal our culture and leave a new and very different one in its place. The story of how and why is one of the most important parts of our nation's history – and it is a story almost no one knows. The people behind it wanted it that way."

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: communists; greatsociety; kenyanusurper; lbj; leftists; marxism; wnd
This is SO TRUE! For the past 100 years, leftists have built a MASSIVE infrastructure. They are using OUR OWN SYSTEM AGAINST US. And we can't easily dismantle what they have built. Think about what they have: The media, thousands of socialist public universities schools, the ACLU, the environmental movement (Sierra Club, World Wildlife Fund, Greenpeace, EPA, etc.), ACORN (still around!), unions, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, so-called "liberal religions" like Unitarianism and United Church of Christ, NASA (the source of lies like the Big Bang and global warming), feminism, minimum wage laws, OSHA ... the list goes ON AND ON!

How do we fight against such an enemy?

1 posted on 06/27/2010 1:10:01 PM PDT by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty
How do we fight against such an enemy?

Somewhere between Suharto and Pinochet, I'm afraid.

2 posted on 06/27/2010 1:14:34 PM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: USALiberty

schools, pop-culture and even things like the ZGirl Scouts want kids to be as sleazy as they are.


3 posted on 06/27/2010 1:14:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: USALiberty

There is a strong spiritual element to this as well. Perhaps those who should have known better....perhaps we have not lived up to what we were called to do. I’m thinking it is time to get serious with God and beg for His mercy on this nation!

We fight this enemy with prayer, fasting... and decent action.


4 posted on 06/27/2010 1:14:53 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: USALiberty

They also got to the troops coming home from WWII with the G I bill, subsidized tuition and low-interest rate home loans, with the idea that those from the working class should expect to be able to own homes and go to college.

America became great in the era before the concept of the weekend, workman’s comp, college tuition subsidies, retirement and unemployment checks. The real damage was done in postwar 40s and 50s... what happened afterwards was the inevitable consequence of this social engineering..


5 posted on 06/27/2010 1:15:56 PM PDT by blade_tenner
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To: USALiberty

We fight with every weapon we can bring to bear, that’s how.

We take “the Chicago way” to the enemy of America.

We take it as far as it needs to go.


6 posted on 06/27/2010 1:16:01 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: USALiberty

7 posted on 06/27/2010 1:18:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: USALiberty

Level the playing field, only way to not be part of the problem is to remove any participation OF the problem.

Home school your children, grow your own food and raise your own livestock, become energy sufficient even if it means using horseback but can be easily doable with nothing much more than solar cell charging and a form of electric vehicle, if you happen to live in a community an high end electric golf cart is a simple solution, or a motorcycle.

Don’t get rid of the big SUV or truck or motorhome, just drive it less and not so frivolously.

be prepared to migrate to a more conservative state, unify with others, do not divide because that is what the enemies of America want, if you are a member of a neighborhood watch or a gated retirement community then its time to clean up, find ways to limit federal or liberal control, especially strive for an Islamic free society.


8 posted on 06/27/2010 1:19:00 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: USALiberty

Invest in lead.


9 posted on 06/27/2010 1:20:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: USALiberty
Farewell Blue Sky - America's Wall is Rising
10 posted on 06/27/2010 1:25:30 PM PDT by Skared2deth
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To: USALiberty
Read the Communist plans to destroy America and it becomes ABC. From destroying the family, moral decay, financial ruin, like, the GATT agreement, infiltrate the schools, government, the church. Attack the Church bringing social morality rather than Christian morality.

It reads like a laundry list of our past from the 60's right up to this very day, it's chilling. I can't begin to spell his name correctly but Kruchev made the brag that they would not have to fight us outright, that they would rot us from within until we fell into their hands like over ripe fruit.

We are down to it. Kids today are not privy to "duck and cover", nor the evil that Communism is. Communism is a parasite, sucking resources and souls dry in every country they have had power. All our kids know today is that it's hip and fashionable to have hero's like Mao, Chi. Bloody handed men whose philosophy was "Change has to happen at the end of a gun". I believe one of Obama's czars quoted that proudly.

The left is a violent blood thirsty parasite, fainting like the phonies they are, at the phantom violence that might break out in the right. Remember Nancy's crocodile tears because the Tea Party might be violent?

11 posted on 06/27/2010 1:26:12 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: USALiberty

We fight because we must. We are surrounded by a great enemy but when a dog is cornered does it cower? No! The dog attacks. SPARTANS! Prepare For Glory!


12 posted on 06/27/2010 1:26:12 PM PDT by DHSMostWanted (John Adams Lives!)
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To: USALiberty
How do we fight against such an enemy?
Apparently, with a $49.95 subscription for only $39.95 during this limited time offer...
 
13 posted on 06/27/2010 1:27:15 PM PDT by counterpunch (Heckuva job, Barry!)
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To: USALiberty

All I can say to this is: Well, duh? This person is just getting around to noticing it?


14 posted on 06/27/2010 1:27:55 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: USALiberty

A complete tearing-down of every institution that has been infected. And then, a restoration. I see no other way. Every attempt at reform of our government or other institutions is thwarted by the entrenched power of the left. It is easy to create disorder (as the left has) through subversion, but how can one bring about order through subversion? It is better to start with nothing, and build healthy institutions.


15 posted on 06/27/2010 1:30:07 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: USALiberty

How do you fight it....you go gault! These folks need the producers to produce lest these clove pliven strategists find themselves out clove-plivened! The marxists have this asumption that everyone will naturally just go all marxist when the system falls...but if post Soviet Russia is any indication, the country will fragment into prosperous mini countries and non prosperous socialist ones.

The Obama marxists can’t count on being able to militarily control the whole country and land mass; for one thing there has never been a tradition of omnipresent army presence in our cities and towns. They’ll control sections, but they can’t control the whole thing. Next, there are huge numbers of pacifist type marxists who would never go to war against anyone, so the Obama type marxists will find ithemselves opposed by these “antiwar” folks, when it came time to try to oppress the “gone Gault patriots” with “nasty guns”!

Secondly, we repent before almighty God and ask for a renewal of our spiritual culuture that existed at the time of our first Revolution; you can only fight a culture of sin and death with a culture of Christian resurrection and spiritual renewal. There will be costs, many may die or be imprisioned of persecuted. Ultimately though, Christians need to remember that God is above all nations and pricipalities and even America may vanish away when Christ rules out of Jerusalem!


16 posted on 06/27/2010 1:31:05 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: oblomov
"how can one bring about order through subversion?"

Well said!

17 posted on 06/27/2010 1:32:59 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: blade_tenner

I agree- it was the Statist Generation that did the damage.


18 posted on 06/27/2010 1:33:45 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: USALiberty
Both Aristotle and Ben Franklin told us it takes effort on the part of the people to remain virtuous enough to maintain our constitutional republic.

No such effort will be necessary when we arrive at our destination, a totalitarian state.

19 posted on 06/27/2010 1:37:03 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Another art of the tyrant is to sow quarrels among the citizens - Aristotle)
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To: USALiberty
"This is SO TRUE! For the past 100 years.. How do we fight against such an enemy? "

Obviously we don't and won't.


20 posted on 06/27/2010 1:37:52 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: USALiberty

People have been trying to warn folks for years. (including myself)

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=NoneDare


21 posted on 06/27/2010 1:42:28 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: USALiberty

bump


22 posted on 06/27/2010 1:44:35 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.portpublishing.com/Computer%20Based/retaildetailgmsea.htm)
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To: USALiberty
The institutions that had supplied the solutions for centuries were discredited; they got the blame for the myriad failings of other, less proven institutions. The unfathomable wars and atrocities of the 20th century were laid at the feet of the existing power structure as evidence that they were inadequate to the task of managing Man's baser instincts. Never mind that it was the REJECTION of just those values that resulted in the atrocities; the victims were blamed and the "modernist" school emerged, demanding a wholesale reversal of the status quo, the rejection of all things in favor of their opposite.

That's what we got during the 60's: the gainsay of all established tradition and their replacement with a dysfunctional mirror image. Now that THAT has proven disastrous, we're faced with "post-modernism," a philosophy that has even less to offer. It consists merely of the rejection of everything, and its replacement with nothing.

How do we fight? By proving that the Old Ways work. They always did. They always will. We'll never get back to the Garden of Eden, but at least we'll be able to see it.

23 posted on 06/27/2010 1:51:58 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: USALiberty
"leftists have built a MASSIVE infrastructure. They are using OUR OWN SYSTEM AGAINST US."

You are absolutely correct. Hitler was democratically elected, remember? More recently, Hamas was democratically elected by Palestinians and Hezbolla in Lebanon.

Democracy is nothing but a method. A method to what ends? The answer lies outside politics: it is produced by the culture.

The author, like so many before him, is completely wrong. No minority has the power to take over a country unless the vast majority is indifferent. It is the conservatives that left the field to Wilson, Roosevelt and other "progressives" almost one hundred years ago. It is conservatives that did nothing but shake their heads when the 60's radicals appeared on the scene --- radicals that subsequently monopolized the system of education and thus ensured their eventual victory.

It is really silly at this point to write yet another book about the perfidious left. The author would have done a greater service if he pondered the question, how and why did Americans become indifferent to traditional American values? But it is much easier, of course, to point finger at the attacking enemy.

24 posted on 06/27/2010 1:52:52 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: USALiberty

It’s going to be a long, difficult struggle to regain our national identity. We’ve sat on our duffs (”I don’t pay any attention to politics ...”) while the politicians and their cronies have robbed us blind. (Pop quiz — who does your Senator really listen to, you or his biggest campaign donor?)

Our colleges are full of Marxists who are busy training the teachers that our kids will face in public school. The socialists in the environmental movement have blocked most industry, while the unions kill off any firms that try to stay in business.

Government taxation and intrusion have destroyed our business and industry. Who wants to hire an employee when they’re going to get stuck paying for health benefits, matching contributions, COBRA, unemployment without end, etc.? No wonder there are no jobs left. (Does anybody really think we could produce enough to win World War II in our current condition?)

We’ve allowed government to “help us” with every problem imaginable, from toy safety to paying for highway repairs to unemployment. Endangered species, oil drilling, mileage standards, mortgages regulation, even the cereal you had for breakfast ... you name it and the government controls it, whether they are allowed that power by the Constitution or not. This is a rogue government, by anyone’s standards.

The “watchdog” media has become the “lapdog” media, no longer rooting out the truth but instead cheerleading for the left. Our enemies can do and say anything they want, with the media’s blessing, but the wrath of heaven will come down should a conservative or Republican say the exact same thing!

My recommendation — take an active, hands-on role in local and state politics (national is too far gone, sorry) and start fighting for what you believe in. The November election is indeed our last, best hope for the future of America, but even then it will only be a lurch in the right direction and only if we win. The states will play a crucial role in turning America around, so make sure YOUR state is being run wisely.

Otherwise, buy a small farm in an easily defended location, get to know your neighbors well, attend church regularly, and make sure you have a root cellar that can double as a fallout shelter. If you won’t help with peaceful solution by working toward a political solution to this mess, then get the hell out of the way. Maybe your neighbors will want to hear about the “Second American Revolution” and your 5,000 rounds of ammunition, but we’re too busy trying to save our country!


25 posted on 06/27/2010 1:53:37 PM PDT by DNME (Prepare ... quickly. Time grows short.)
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To: USALiberty

Liberalism and communism is a luxury America has flirted with. In other words, times aren’t that bad. We can afford to be deluded by the communist/socialist drug because it hasn’t killed us yet. It promises nice illusions. But when it gets to the point where it will kill you — if your mind is not completely warped — you will put it away. The beginning of that is Nov on the political horizon. On the cultural horizon the pendulum is still swinging to the left. America needs heroes on the cultural battlefield. Conservatives have to invest in the church, entertainment and higher education or there will be one generation following another of brainwashed kids. Obama is the Pied Piper of the left and the the mountain is the university. We have to recapture it — the sooner the better.


26 posted on 06/27/2010 1:55:52 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: USALiberty

Want to bring back America? Dismantle the public school system brick-by-brick.


27 posted on 06/27/2010 1:59:11 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: oblomov
A complete tearing-down of every institution that has been infected. And then, a restoration. I see no other way. Every attempt at reform of our government or other institutions is thwarted by the entrenched power of the left. It is easy to create disorder (as the left has) through subversion, but how can one bring about order through subversion? It is better to start with nothing, and build healthy institutions.

How do we do THAT? Does America need a "Pinochet period"?
28 posted on 06/27/2010 2:02:18 PM PDT by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty
Back in 1987 (23 years ago), in the Year of the Bicentennial of the United States Constitution, a book was published which retraced and outlined the Founding Principles underlying the Constitution, using the Founders' own writings, speeches, and quotations.

Then, outstanding constitutional scholars warned how and by what means the Left had been undermining and changing America in violation of the principles of liberty.

In 1987, few people were concerned about what was clearly a path away from liberty.

Now, 23 years later, the enemies of liberty have become so bold that they do not try to hide their intent to change America from a land of liberty for individuals, and a place of refuge for the oppressed, to a nation which resembles the Old World of 1776 more than the wonderful place of liberty, opportunity and plenty which was to be protected by a "People's" Constitution.

We must rediscover the ideas of liberty encapsulated in the Declaration of Independence and enshrined in the Constitution if future generations are to enjoy "the Blessings of Liberty" promised by the Preamble to that Constitution.

The book mentioned above has been reprinted and is, once again, available. Sadly, its message was ignored by most citizens in 1987. Perhaps that message will find a new host of readers in 2010.

29 posted on 06/27/2010 2:02:43 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: USALiberty
Not only is [the] government in the hands of the left, but virtually all of our nation's major institutions – from the public education system to our colleges and universities, from the news media to the entertainment industry, from the unions to our major philanthropic foundations, even many of our churches – have also been captivated by this same destructive ideology.

Destructive ideology.. if he ain't talking about Marxist-Alinsky street/campus rabble and their ideological issue then it must be Martians. Fifty years of mostly stealth infiltration and two presidents (Clinton and Obama) they have replaced our federal government ("Bring it all down, man.") with a fetteral government.

The youthful Marxist New Left and their dupes didn't have to infiltrate a large portion of the MSM -- guys like Walter "North Vietnam Communists' Most Trusted Man in America" Cronkite welcomed them.

I wanted some information about something I remembered almost 50 years ago, Goldwater and the 1964 convention in San Francisco.

Maligning "Tea Partiers" didn't just start today.

Back when Time was a real news magazine, tells truth.. and TV "news" was.. well, the same biased crap it's been for going on 50 years.

"While Everett Dirksen was nominating Barry Goldwater, both Cronkite [CBS] and Huntley [NBC] interspersed their own voices, passing comments and judgments on what Dirksen was saying, not giving the man a chance to deliver his speech as a whole. . . The networks have also to a considerable extent shut out the great [Goldwater] ground-swelling noises of the convention hall. Sound is half the atmosphere there, and it is thick enough to cut, but TV merely cuts it off or down . . . Spending all their time fussing over the latest developments among the sorry pack of obvious also-rans [Rockefeller, Scranton, et al], they made no real attempt to concentrate on the man [Goldwater] who had the nomination sewed up from the start. The TV coverage before the first ballot was largely focused on Scranton."

As the Time article noted "TV [deprives] audiences of the convention's overbearing sense of commotion. [For example w]hen Governor Rockefeller was loudly booed as he spoke last week, the booing was almost imperceptible [in America's living rooms]."

Rockefeller had five minutes to speak essentially in favor of branding Goldwater a KKK member -- that provoked a bit of response. Nelson replied with his middle finger. I remember the photo but I cannot find it. It was probably in Berkeley Barb or one of the other "underground" press publications.

The Marxist-Alinsky campus revolutionary rabble on the streets outside the convention are arguably now (along with their ideological children) the Clinton-Obama America Establishment.

30 posted on 06/27/2010 2:12:49 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: USALiberty

Probably that would be the least violent route, but I still cringe at the thought of it.


31 posted on 06/27/2010 2:12:57 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: loveliberty2

We were driving around today and saw a small sign that said the 4th of July parade is cancelled this year, due to road work. The BIG road work sign on the other corner covered road that is perfectly normal.


32 posted on 06/27/2010 2:14:33 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: USALiberty
*** ...... NASA (the source of lies like the Big Bang .... ***

You were doing fine until there.

The Big Bang *theroy* existed long before NASA was formed. In fact, the term 'Big Bang' isn't even 'American'.

It was first used in derision by a British Physicist who was mocking another Physicist that proposed that the Universe was expanding(1). However, as technology and the equipment progressed we've found by the Doppler Effect and the Red-Blue shift of light that the Universe IS in fact expanding.

BTW, just because one believes in the Big Bang, the Super String Theory (M Theory), and/or even Parallel Universes, it does NOT mean one does not believe in God(2) as God and Science (Physics) is not exclusionary.

And as to NASA itself --- you should get on the 'Astronomy Picture Of The Day' ping list. The pictures that NASA gets from Hubble are completely and utterly awe inspiring. You look at them and think; 'this could not be created by accident'.

(1) There were two views of Universe at the time. One was the 'Steady State Model', the other was an Expanding Universe.
(2) This is why Einstein didn't buy into Quantum Mechanics. He refused to believe that GOD would create a universe where two sets of 'laws' would be required to explain it.

33 posted on 06/27/2010 2:16:55 PM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: blade_tenner

very well stated.


34 posted on 06/27/2010 2:18:29 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

35 posted on 06/27/2010 2:21:33 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: blade_tenner
America became great in the era before the concept of the weekend, workman’s comp, college tuition subsidies, retirement and unemployment checks. The real damage was done in postwar 40s and 50s... what happened afterwards was the inevitable consequence of this social engineering..

It is not politically correct to say it, but I will say it. The end of liberty started with the well-meaning act of abolishing child labor. That established the idea that the government -- and not parents -- should have the final say in what happens with children. If a FAMILY decides that a child should earn income rather than spend his/her days sitting listening to the Marxist indoctrination available in GOVERNMENT schools, why should ANYONE be able to interfere? Child labor lifted many families out of poverty in the days before the "poor" were expected to become wards of the state!
36 posted on 06/27/2010 2:34:36 PM PDT by USALiberty
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To: TopQuark
RE: "It is conservatives that did nothing but shake their heads when the 60's radicals appeared on the scene"

I will admit that many of us were caught flat-footed by many personalities staffing the news, they had earned their reputations in W.W.II.

And that newfangled TV thing was something else!

Maybe you do not remember the "Fairness Doctrine" days, the days before modern talk radio. Of course there was no Internet.

There were still conservative newspapers though fading fast as TV news took over. Time and U.S. News were pretty good.. otherwise it was a matter of searching out limited-circulation publications and talking to co-workers and neighbors.

Most important were the two movements of that era: civil rights and "anti-war." The former enjoyed overwhelming support -- but it was politically dangerous for supporters to bring up "states rights" and "law and order," they became codes words for the N-word.

Many across the country formed little groups to inform.. but it was nothing compared to the MSM.

We were the silenced majority -- except on election day as for example 1972.

When modern talk radio started for good in 1987 the most oft-heard caller comment was, "I didn't know others believed as I believe!" That's what I remember.

37 posted on 06/27/2010 2:36:53 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
When modern talk radio started for good in 1987 the most oft-heard caller comment was, "I didn't know others believed as I believe!" That's what I remember.

I heard that same quote at every tea party I attended last year, even the 9/12 Washington DC rally. I myself when asked why I was I was bothering to attend because ,"...nobody's going to be there." would respond simply, "because I want these people in power to realize they haven't fooled everyone.". Of course it always turned out that there were lots like me who weren't fooled. :-)

38 posted on 06/27/2010 2:54:27 PM PDT by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: oblomov
Thank you.. but the photo I remember was really close-up and inside the 1964 convention. Nelson was at the podium. The glare on his face was priceless and his finger there makes his finger in the photo above look wimpish.

The photo above of Nelson giving the finger to some protesters as he was leaving/entering his limo is great! I hope those who have not seen it get a kick from it.

Thanks again.

39 posted on 06/27/2010 2:54:48 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: RedStateGuyTrappedinCT

When women started into the workforce and replaced a lot of men in lower paying white collar jobs, it depressed wages and dried up a lot of male jobs. How many men do you see now in banks, insurance or realestate? The surplus men were forced into lower level jobs and more wives had to go to work to support families. Now we have even more illegals driving down the wages in union and laboring jobs that were middle class incomes, but are now no more.
Now we are paying people not to work and have babies while we bring in even more cheap uneducated workers. Man..are we in a world of hurt.


40 posted on 06/27/2010 2:58:30 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: USALiberty
Most Obama voters think we are a democracy,, of course, we weren't suppose to be,, but its turning out that way and will end that way. If you have a god,, pray.

James Madison warned: 'Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

Alexander F. Tyler stated: 'A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the treasury with the result that democracies always collapse over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship.

Fisher Ames stated: 'Liberty has never lasted long in a democracy, nor has it ever ended in anything better than despotism.

Samuel Adams stated: 'Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes itself, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.'

There is only one other answer other than breaking up the US,,, a voter ID card where one has to pass a test to get. But it will not happen.

41 posted on 06/27/2010 3:01:32 PM PDT by 2aberro
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I am grateful for your detailed reply but unable, I am afraid to agree with what you said. In fact, it seems to confirm my point. " were caught flat-footed by many personalities staffing the news, they had earned their reputations in W.W.II."

That is exactly the moral vacuum I was describing. Why did not conservatives see a difference between being a war hero and a leftist scum. My giving to charity does not allow me to rape or plunder. Valor in the battlefield confers no right to destroy the country back home. The lack of moral clarity is what allowed Kronkites of all stripes to become what they were.

"the "Fairness Doctrine" days, the days before modern talk radio. Of course there was no Internet...There were still conservative newspapers though fading fast as TV news took over."

That is precisely my point: it was not media or some party that of a sudden changed the country. What about the PTAs? How many people cared to inspect the textbooks that were given to their children, how many parents questioned what their children's college tuition buys?

And even simpler: where did the leftist media come from? I gave an answer, at least partially, in the previous post: the significant indifference to capitalism and other foundational principles of this country emerged in early XX century -- long before 60's made that explicit. It is at the turn of the XX century that the Constitution was presented as a "living document;" look at the Warren Court of 1950s that proclaimed criminals to be the product of our (mean, as Michele Obama would put it) society. By 1960s, Kronkite was only taking his rightful place. The "Greatest" generation was one of the most amoral in our history. Having survived the Great Depression, it had understandably attached greater value to material possessions. But having won the War, it became untouchable: who could criticize our boys for being materialistic, didn't they deserve it. It is then, in 1940s, that home-ownership replaced freedom as the American Dream. It is that generation that abandoned their communities for extra few square feet in the 'burbs. It is they who started to ship their elderly parents to nursing homes (despite those extra square feet). And it is they who raised the most narcissistic and egotistical children --- the radicals of 1960s.

No, I cannot accept the premise that some evil force changed America: we allowed that force, initially quite weak, to take over by first becoming amoral and indifferent to our founding principles. We met the enemy and it is... we ourselves.

42 posted on 06/27/2010 3:03:54 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: counterpunch
Apparently, with a $49.95 subscription for only $39.95 during this limited time offer...

Yep...I pretty much stopped reading at that point. (Although the comments are extremely interesting)

43 posted on 06/27/2010 3:23:21 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: TopQuark
We did know what Cronkite, et al were.. What'd you think we had money to mount PR campaigns? I did not. I did complain to the networks and got back "We're professionals and you're not" responses. I did get letters published in the local paper -- and once got a threat in the mail from a local extremist group. I passed it along the right people.

RE: Warren Court

We knew about the Warren Court. Some with the money posted billboards.

RE: "I cannot accept the premise that some evil force changed America:"

I don't recall that anyone blames some evil force.

If we're going to divide by generation who elected Clinton and Obama? -- and did so in the era when free speech had been restored compared to "the way is was.".

44 posted on 06/27/2010 3:41:53 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
" What'd you think we had money to mount PR campaigns? I did not."

In the picture you paint, only the leftist socialist had the money. Of course you did not have sufficient resources. But what about all those endowments for Universities? Every building -- in fact, individual floors and rooms --- are named after donors. Could they have done something? An even simpler example. The last person who did not subscribe to view of the Constitution as a living document has retired from Harvard Law School around 2000. Today, a student never even hears that Constitution should be interpreted according to the Founding Fathers' intent; this cornerstone of our democracy is not even expressed as an opinion. Yet donations continue unabated. No matter what other scandalous cases we hear, rich donors support their schools without any regard to the subversion they promulgate.

I was not, of course, speaking about you or your group of friends. But the question needs to be answered. Plenty of serious money went to the Republican Party over the eight years of Bush administration. Not one that I heard of demanded to stop the growth of the government (by 56% under Bush), closure of the borders, etc.

You did what you could; it is not a question of this or that individual. But you cannot deny that there exist those with money and other means of power. They have failed to act when it was possible to do so.

45 posted on 06/27/2010 4:01:07 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: USALiberty

The soap box, the ballot box, then if necessary, the cartridge box.


46 posted on 06/27/2010 4:32:32 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe
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To: Jim Robinson
"...Invest in lead..."

My tag line ........... FRegards


47 posted on 06/27/2010 6:23:58 PM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms .................. FRegards)
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To: SumProVita

And with wittnessing to the truth (Christ) to our neighbors/friends/family..~! That; He will be the only real solution!


48 posted on 06/27/2010 6:36:14 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: MikeSteelBe

We’ve lost the systematic war for the whole, they have infiltrated too much to be removed before its too late. We need to break down this problem in to little “bite sized” parts that we can solve.

Then the war against socialist corruption can be fought on terms favorable to freedom. The terms that enable otherwise freedom loving people to vote with their feet.

We will win our battles when we can and where we can. In those victory we will work to establish strong holds of conservationism and freedom to stand as beacons of freedom to not only the once united States but to all the world.

We will attack the communist monster from the ground up a thousand never ending pin pricks to weaken it and millions of individuals fleeing their communist prison States.(Prisons robed of their confining walls by the inter-state migration of federalism)

The result will be not unlike the collapse of the western Soviet union except slower and more gradual. We will constantly point out their failings how in their arrogant efforts to “help the poor” they merely drive them out of their state all together and into our land of free.


49 posted on 06/27/2010 7:09:21 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

The Western Soviet Union collapse was the collapse of a true communist state. The US is still a constitutional republic that is turning into European socialism. I do not disagree with you, but I predict your theory is being put into practice by the passage of the Arizona Immigration Law, and tougher state laws being implemented to ensure the presidential candidate’s eligibility. The sates will just vote the worthless fed out of relevance, or try to secede which would cause Civil War II. This time the states would be in the right, and they would win.


50 posted on 06/27/2010 10:08:50 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe
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