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Undocumented couple leave SB 1070 behind
godlikeproductions.com ^ | 6/28/10 | Daniel González

Posted on 06/28/2010 9:45:55 AM PDT by Nachum

A white Ford pickup with Arizona plates is driving north on U.S. 191 headed for the Utah border. Afraid of encountering police, the family inside is traveling at night. The pickup's headlights cut through a sea of darkness.

The family is in a hurry to get out of Arizona, to get away from the state's harsh new immigration law.

The pickup crosses into Utah at 11:59 p.m. Luis Sanchez breathes a sigh of relief as his wife, Marlen Ramirez, keeps driving. Both are undocumented immigrants from Mexico.

"Look," he says. "We are here. We have arrived in Utah."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: aliens; couple; illegalimmigration; leave; sb1070; undocumented; utah; vamos
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Buh bye
1 posted on 06/28/2010 9:46:00 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

cry me a river


2 posted on 06/28/2010 9:47:35 AM PDT by barbarianbabs (Liberty 5-3000)
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To: Nachum

They should have driven south.


3 posted on 06/28/2010 9:47:50 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Nachum

LOL!


4 posted on 06/28/2010 9:48:12 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Nachum

No wonder the other states were against Arizona’s law. They didn’t want to see even MORE illegal immigrants seeking sanctuary in their already overcrowded sanctuary cities.


5 posted on 06/28/2010 9:48:22 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Nachum

This is why open doors politicians - including Bush and McCain - lie when they say illegals “aren’t going anywhere”.

Self deportation is a wonderful thing. Just apply heat.


6 posted on 06/28/2010 9:49:14 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Let me be clear. The voluntary pancipation of Cinco de Quatro is mandated in all 57 states.)
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To: Nachum

Pity you Utes.......


7 posted on 06/28/2010 9:49:29 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.)
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To: Nachum

Arizona just turned on the light. Watch them scatter.


8 posted on 06/28/2010 9:51:53 AM PDT by weeder
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To: Nachum
"Look," he says. "We are here. We have arrived in Utah."

Looks like they needed a 180 degree course correction before heading out.

9 posted on 06/28/2010 9:52:23 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Nachum

“Afraid of encountering police, the family inside is traveling at night.”

Same way they came into this country illegally.


10 posted on 06/28/2010 9:52:43 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Home Depot should begin stocking up on pitchforks and torches.)
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To: Nachum

Ok, so ICE knows their name, what kind of car they drive, what sort of work they do and where they are.......should be easy to pick them up and deport them.


11 posted on 06/28/2010 9:53:35 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Nachum
Both are undocumented immigrants from Mexico

Both are undocumented immigrants criminals from Mexico - there fixed it.

12 posted on 06/28/2010 9:53:59 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Nachum

I would bet this “account” is totally fictional. The AZ law only kicks in if you get picked up by the police for something else, and it doesn’t seem likely that either one of this couple would be in trouble with the law.

That said, I think the AZ law is stupid, because in theory, it gives a lot of discretion to police, and also because it all too easily lends itself to stupid distortions like this article.

I think the thing to do is what another SW state did, which is simply require anybody who shows up for any government service, including registering their kids in school, to provide proof of citizenship. This is completely noncontroversial and very effective.


13 posted on 06/28/2010 9:54:03 AM PDT by livius
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To: Nachum
state's harsh new immigration law

We need 50 of those "harsh immigration laws."

14 posted on 06/28/2010 9:55:27 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Nachum

L.O.L.!!!! BOO HOO!


15 posted on 06/28/2010 9:55:49 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Nachum
"Look," he says. "We are here. We have arrived in Utah."

I'm sure what they actually said was, "Mirar. Estamos aquí. Hemos llegado en Utah."

16 posted on 06/28/2010 9:56:03 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Made In The USA
traveling at night

Like cockroaches, except on a bigger scale. They travel at night. They leave a mess wherever they go. They devour your stuff. They go where you don't want them to be (ie in this country)

17 posted on 06/28/2010 9:57:21 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Nachum
"The family is in a hurry to get out of Arizona, to get away from the state's harsh new that has the guts to enforce the EXISTING Federal immigration laws.

There, fixed it.

Arizex


18 posted on 06/28/2010 9:57:39 AM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
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To: Nachum

Once Utah’s welfare rolls go way up - and become increasingly expensive, they will pass an AZ-style immigration law ...

And they will be “On the road again ...” [props to Willie]


19 posted on 06/28/2010 9:57:42 AM PDT by Lmo56
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To: Nachum

Luis was 17 when he crossed the border illegally near Douglas. Marlen was 16 when she jumped a fence near Nogales. Both came looking for work.

Their three children are U.S. citizens because they were born in Arizona. The oldest, Luis Jr., is a quiet 13-year-old. Vanessa, 10, wears glasses and loves to talk. The baby, Christian, is 2.

Lawyers have told Luis and Marlen that they do not qualify for legal residency.

Luis got his jobs using fake papers.

Luis and Marlen picked Pennsylvania. They have relatives there who say there is plenty of work.


20 posted on 06/28/2010 10:00:07 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Nachum
But in Iowa they have a scare. Driving east on Interstate 70,

I-70 is nowhere near Iowa.

21 posted on 06/28/2010 10:02:00 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Nachum

The hysterical outcry from the MSM about SB1070 has painted a picture of the law that has many thinking of it as an omnipotent magic bullet that is practically self-executing!Talk about backfiring!! LOL!


22 posted on 06/28/2010 10:03:22 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Nachum

Most criminals prefer to operate at night just as these two are. And YES, THEY ARE CRIMINALS.


23 posted on 06/28/2010 10:03:36 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Nachum

So the law worked exactly as intended. That’s a novel delight.


24 posted on 06/28/2010 10:03:43 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Nachum

So there is a lot of work in PA? What’s the unemployment rate there?


25 posted on 06/28/2010 10:04:02 AM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: Nachum

Mr. González, try something really cutting edge like following a group of illegal aliens in Mexico and reporting on what the Federales do to them...


26 posted on 06/28/2010 10:05:10 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Nachum

So the good taxpayers of Pennsylvania will pony up $$$ to educate, medicate, and incarcerate still more illegals.


27 posted on 06/28/2010 10:05:39 AM PDT by BAW (Arizona.got it right.)
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To: Nachum

Oh please! Who was this fairy tale written for, and to what end?

Not only do they give all pertinent info on the first family who are travelling to Pennsylvania “where there is plenty of work” they add a detailed and tragic second young couple with a broken water heater. As if any writer these days would cough up this kind of info on anyone, unless they were a Republican.

And it’s written pretty poorly.

G-dlike Productions is somewhat suspect for leftist propaganda, isn’t it?


28 posted on 06/28/2010 10:05:45 AM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: Nachum

If these people are “undocumented” then how are they driving a vehicle? Licesnse Registration, Insurance???


29 posted on 06/28/2010 10:06:46 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: livius

Uh, we did that a long time ago here in Arizona. It was called Proposition 200 and it passed overwhelmingly. Problem is, the libs wouldn’t enforce it. Schools let them in anyway, services were given anyway, that is why we passed the law SB1070 because it makes it a crime which would make aiding and abetting a crime as well.


30 posted on 06/28/2010 10:07:25 AM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: kcvl
Today's explanation of Code Words.

“fake papers” = FRAUD

“undocumented” = ILLEGAL

Since their “fake papers” got them driver's licenses, I will bet that they have Voted in past Elections. They probably have an Obama sticker on their car.

31 posted on 06/28/2010 10:07:54 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Obama, proving Hillary right that it takes a Village Idiot.)
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To: barbarianbabs

But soon after entering Utah on June 8, there is trouble. Their neighbors, also undocumented immigrants, are following them in a 20-year-old Jeep Cherokee with 183,000 miles. The Jeep’s engine is starting to overheat. The driver, Daniel Diaz, 22, pulls over in the darkness and pops the hood. The radiator hisses loudly. A cloud of steam billows out. Daniel thinks his car is overloaded with the belongings of his three passengers, Ruben Rosario, 33, Ruben’s wife, Betty Cabrera, 34, and the couple’s U.S.-born daughter, Alondra, who will be 2 in September.


32 posted on 06/28/2010 10:10:48 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: BAW

The hell you say!


33 posted on 06/28/2010 10:10:54 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: livius

Reality vs. Myth: SB1070

Make it illegal in the State of Arizona for an alien to not register with the government, thus being an “illegal alien” (already the case at the federal level: 8 USC 1306a; USC 1304e)

Allow police to detain people where there is a “reasonable suspicion” that they’re illegal aliens (see the recent court case Estrada v. Rhode Island for an idea of what “reasonable suspicion” might entail)

Prohibits sanctuary cities (already prohibited at the federal level, 8 USC 1373) and allows citizens to sue any such jurisdiction

Reality vs. Myth: SB1070

Myth No. 1: The law requires aliens to carry identification that they weren’t already required to carry.

Reality: It has been a federal crime (8 United States Code Section 1304(a) or 1306(e)) since 1940 for aliens to fail to carry their registration documents. The Arizona law reaffirms the federal law. Anyone who has traveled abroad knows that other nations have similar requirements. The majority requests for documentation will take place during the course of other police business such as traffic stops. Because Arizona allows only lawful residents to obtain licenses, an officer must presume that someone who produces one is legally in the country. (See News Hour clip 3:45 seconds in)

Myth No. 2: The law will encourage racial profiling.

Reality: The Arizona law reduces the chances of racial profiling by requiring officers to contact the federal government when they suspect a person is an illegal alien as opposed to letting them make arrests on their own assessment as federal law currently allows. Section 2 was amended (by HB2162) to read that a law enforcement official “may not consider race, color, or national origin” in making any stops or determining an alien’s immigration status (previously, they were prohibited in “solely” considering those factors). In addition, all of the normal Fourth Amendment protections against racial profiling still apply.

Myth No. 3: “Reasonable suspicion” is a meaningless term that will permit police misconduct.

Reality: “Reasonable suspicion” has been defined by the courts for decades (the Fourth Amendment itself proscribes “unreasonable searches and seizures”). One of the most recent cases, Estrada v. Rhode Island, provides an example of the courts refining of “reasonable suspicion:”

A 15 passenger van is pulled over for a traffic violation. The driver of the van had identification but the other passengers did not (some had IDs from a gym membership, a non-driver’s license card from the state, and IDs issued from the Guatemalan Consulate). The passengers said they were on their way to work but they had no work permits. Most could not speak English but upon questioning, admitted that they were in the United States illegally. The officer notified ICE and waited three minutes for instructions.

The SB1070 provision in question reads:
“For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state . . . where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person.”

Myth No. 4: The law will require Arizona police officers to stop and question people.

Reality: The law only kicks in when a police officer stopped, detained, or arrested someone (HB2162). The most likely contact is during the issuance of a speeding ticket. The law does not require the officer to begin questioning a person about his immigration status or to do anything the officer would not otherwise do.

Only after a stop is made, and subsequently the officer develops reasonable suspicion on his own that an immigration law has been violated, is any obligation imposed. At that point, the officer is required to call ICE to confirm whether the person is an illegal alien.

The Arizona law is actually more restrictive than federal law. In Muehler v. Mena (2005), the Supreme Court ruled that officers did not need reasonable suspicion to justify asking a suspect about their immigration status, stating that the court has “held repeatedly that mere police questioning does not constitute a seizure” under the Fourth Amendment). Source = http://www.numbersusa.com/dfax?jid=475466&lid=9&rid=123&series=tp06MAY10&tid=999725


34 posted on 06/28/2010 10:13:01 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Nachum

“Luis got his jobs using fake papers”.....

Breaking the law, you mean?


35 posted on 06/28/2010 10:13:38 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: livius

I think the thing to do is what another SW state did, which is simply require anybody who shows up for any government service, including registering their kids in school, to provide proof of citizenship. This is completely noncontroversial and very effective.”

Pretty sure that ‘other SW state” was also ARIZONA.


36 posted on 06/28/2010 10:13:38 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: McGavin999

landscaping. Check out who is mowing the lawn and trimming the hedges. Go to Walmart after sunset. Lots of roaches.


37 posted on 06/28/2010 10:14:58 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: livius

I concur. This is total BS and lousy fiction. Good call on this one.


38 posted on 06/28/2010 10:15:19 AM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: Nachum
Money quote buried in the middle of the story...

Seems that these folks tried to have a yard sale but didn't do well because... "Many of their neighbors were in the same situation, undocumented immigrants either leaving or planning to leave."

This might be the best news that I'll read today.

Let them go home. They knew what they were getting into.

39 posted on 06/28/2010 10:17:22 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Nachum
Afraid of encountering police, the family inside is traveling at night.

It's a good thing for them that police only work during the day.

40 posted on 06/28/2010 10:17:55 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Nachum

Boo freakin’ hoo. He makes more than I do or rather did because of certain circumstances I will probably quit. My vehicle is nearly as old as his neighbor’s but unlike him, I can’t afford needed repairs. Yet for some reason my taxes are paying for his crimes. He’s mailed their belongings to an established address and the reporter has documented (if it’s not all bs) their journey but, as usual, ICE is nowhere to be found.


41 posted on 06/28/2010 10:19:04 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: Nachum

We need to deport or imprison ALL illegal aliens, including their anchor babies, seal/secure the border and SHOOT anyone who tries to re-enter illegally.


42 posted on 06/28/2010 10:20:56 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: livius
...simply require anybody who shows up for any government service, including registering their kids in school, to provide proof of citizenship. This is completely noncontroversial and very effective.,

Effective, yes; noncontroversial, no. Wrecks the quality of sanctuary, you know. Harms the children, some of whom are birthright citizens. Etc, etc.

43 posted on 06/28/2010 10:25:04 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Nachum

I live in Pa and just sent this story to my state senator and congressman telling them we need a law NOW in Pa like the one they have in AZ.


44 posted on 06/28/2010 10:28:02 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Nachum
"Both are undocumented immigrants from Mexico"

That would be ILLEGAL immigrant! Undocumented = Illegal. What is it about this concept that these morons don't get? Oh, never mind - illegal sounds bad, and we might not get all teary-eyed over these journalistic garbage bits.

45 posted on 06/28/2010 10:30:32 AM PDT by greatplains
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Wait until they turn 65, and the libs all decide that they need social security—you don’t because you have a 401K plan. So they give them monthly checks, and you live off your savings.


46 posted on 06/28/2010 10:44:46 AM PDT by mommyq
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To: mommyq

And they’ll be doing better than a lot of us with 401Ks!


47 posted on 06/28/2010 10:52:05 AM PDT by greatplains
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To: Nachum

Here they come. Now the rest of the states have to find some backbone somewhere.


48 posted on 06/28/2010 11:01:03 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: Nachum

SHHHHHH! Don’t tell them that federal law is tougher! *eyeroll* I have no sympathy for people who break the law to get here then demand they get to crowd into line ahead of others waiting years to get in legally.


49 posted on 06/28/2010 11:04:55 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: buccaneer81

LOL touche’ You are right. I -70 drops much farther south than Iowa.


50 posted on 06/28/2010 11:08:03 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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