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Combined Live Threads: Gen. David Petraeus and Elena Kagan Confirmation Hearings 6/29/10
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 | Kristinn

Posted on 06/29/2010 6:57:42 AM PDT by kristinn

The confirmation hearing for Gen. David Petraeus to be ISAF commander began a few minutes ago. The second day of the Elena Kagan Supreme Court nomination hearings began around 9 a.m. They're on the cable networks for the most part. FOX, CNN and MSNBC are dipping in and out of the hearings depending on who's speaking.

The Kagan hearing is being shown live on C-SPAN 3 and online at C-SPAN here.

The Petraeus hearing can be viewed online at the Senate Armed Services Committee Web site here.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhoscotus; davidpetraeus; elenakagan; hearings; petraeus
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1 posted on 06/29/2010 6:57:49 AM PDT by kristinn
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Sen. Jeff Sessions is grilling Kagan on Harvard’s DADT policy with the military on campus.


2 posted on 06/29/2010 6:59:45 AM PDT by kristinn (I am a footnote in Sean Hannity's new book, Conservative Victory. Pgs 239, 240)
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Gen. Petraues speaking now. Only available on the Senate live stream.


3 posted on 06/29/2010 7:01:42 AM PDT by kristinn (I am a footnote in Sean Hannity's new book, Conservative Victory. Pgs 239, 240)
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To: kristinn
This woman is making me want to break my television. SHE HATES THE MILITARY!

I have no idea why the gays think they are so oppressed. She should move to Tehran and see how they treat gays there.

4 posted on 06/29/2010 7:02:44 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Blackhawks!!! and Go White Sox!!!)
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To: kristinn

Too bad Hillary is not there to tell the General that his confirmation requires the willing suspension of disbelief, or something.


5 posted on 06/29/2010 7:03:35 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Forcing one person to pay for the irresponsibility of another is NOT social justice.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell doesn’t ban gays from military service, does it? It just demands polite discretion.


6 posted on 06/29/2010 7:05:27 AM PDT by fullchroma (Bill Haslam for Governor)
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To: kristinn

FLASHBACK:

(no link)

What Are Those Democratic Flower Children Smoking?
Richmond Times-Dispatch (VA) - Sunday, September 23, 2007
Author: Ross MacKenzie
So now Gen. David Petraeus has reported on Iraq, and the question is: Are the Democrats overgrown flower children?

Think about it.

Even before Petraeus ‘ congressional appearance, key Democrats

were on the ramparts dissing the general most of them had voted to confirm as the Iraq theater commander - implying he is a ventriloquist’s dummy for President Bush, a liar , and worse. . .

• Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi - in a pre-emptive strike - implied Petraeus ‘ coming remarks were written by the White House, and so dismissed them as “the Bush Report.” Clueless Pelosi added: “The facts are self-evident that progress is not being made.”

• Again, prior to Petraeus ‘ testimony, Sen. Joe Biden termed him “dead flat wrong.”

• Sen. Barbara Boxer told Petraeus to “take off your rosy glasses.”

• SEN. CHRISTOPHER Dodd declared that despite the Petraeus report of moderate progress since the troop buildup (or “surge”), he favors cutting off funds for U.S. troops beginning next spring. His presidential campaign spammed an e-mail declaring: “The fact that there are questions about Gen. Petraeus ‘ report is not surprising, given that it was brought to you by this White House.”

• Sen. Barack Obama , noting “the same false promises of success that got us into Iraq,” said he wants to begin withdrawing troops at the rate of 8,000 per month. The only question about the lost Iraqi cause, he said, is “how do we clean up the mess?”

• Sen. Hillary Clinton told Petraeus , “The reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief.” She found the administration’s proposed rate of troop drawdown - to pre-surge levels by next summer - “too little, too late, and unacceptable.”

AND LET us not overlook two other manifestations of malign thinking in the fever swamps of the Democratic left:

(1) A Sept. 9 New York Times editorial proclaiming “Gen. Petraeus has his own credibility problems,” stipulated, inter alia, this: President Bush “isn’t looking for the truth, only for ways to confound the public.” Or: Both Bush and Petraeus are liars .

(snip)


7 posted on 06/29/2010 7:06:54 AM PDT by maggief
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To: kristinn
Thanks for the threads, Kristinn. Should be an exciting day. Yesterday a military father, whose son was recently killed in Afghanistan, told the Friends that he emailed General Petraeus in protest of the current ROE. He said that Petraeus responded 15 minutes later promising him that he would address the issue during his confirmation hearing.

Also, Sen. Hatch was on Fox this morning pretty critical of Ms. Kagan but did use the old "the President should get his judges" song and dance...so I'm sure he's voting for her.
8 posted on 06/29/2010 7:09:18 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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Petraeus talking about ROEs now. Says he will “look very hard” at the complaints from troopers. Says he has talked with Karzai and other Afghan leaders on the past few days about need to bring full fight to the enemy. Says we still need to minimize civilian casualties and collateral damage. That’s about all he said on that.


9 posted on 06/29/2010 7:12:53 AM PDT by kristinn (I am a footnote in Sean Hannity's new book, Conservative Victory. Pgs 239, 240)
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To: Miss Didi
Details of the fallen soldier's parents' exchange with Gen. Petraeus here.
10 posted on 06/29/2010 7:15:13 AM PDT by kristinn (I am a footnote in Sean Hannity's new book, Conservative Victory. Pgs 239, 240)
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To: kristinn

As much as it would pain me to lose Sessions as my Senator, I do believe he would make a great Supreme court justice.


11 posted on 06/29/2010 7:15:57 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger (Psalm 33:12 "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord,")
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To: maggief

This whole charade just puts me over the edge!! What hypocrits.....OMG, how I loathe the Democrats, just evil people without a conscience!


12 posted on 06/29/2010 7:16:30 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: EmilyGeiger

I am equally impressed with Sessions!


13 posted on 06/29/2010 7:21:49 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: maggief

bttt


14 posted on 06/29/2010 7:25:47 AM PDT by Liberty Valance
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To: kristinn

Sen. Orrin Hatch questioning Kagan about the Citizens United case.


15 posted on 06/29/2010 7:44:08 AM PDT by kristinn (I am a footnote in Sean Hannity's new book, Conservative Victory. Pgs 239, 240)
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Hi all....

....saw this thread and had to jump in. I am watching Kagan....SHE IS LYING LIKE A RUG.

The rug on my kitchen floor, felt-backed and foam held doesn’t lie as good as Kagan.


16 posted on 06/29/2010 7:52:33 AM PDT by Fishtalk
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To: SumProVita

I was very impressed by Sessions.

You could feel his frustration because....SHE’S LYING LIKE A RUG!

It’s got to be tough to sit and be lied to on national TV. Without, I’d add, going over and punching the liar in the nose.

Something I sure wanted to do.


17 posted on 06/29/2010 7:54:22 AM PDT by Fishtalk
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To: kristinn

She won’t answer his questions. Plain questions, yes or no type questions. She keeps dodging. He asks, “do you believe...?” and she keeps telling him what Congress determined. Like he doesn’t know.


18 posted on 06/29/2010 7:56:34 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: maggief
Code Old Hairy Armpit Lily White Broads in da house!


CodePink protestors hold signs on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday,June 29, 2010, as Gen. David Petraeus testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing to be confirmed as President Obama's choice to take control of forces in Afghanistan. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

19 posted on 06/29/2010 8:07:53 AM PDT by kristinn (I am a footnote in Sean Hannity's new book, Conservative Victory. Pgs 239, 240)
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To: kristinn; onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...
Unusual .. over Kagan's left shoulder sits -0's barracuda legal fixer and husband of Mao-lover operative, Anita Dunn, Robert Bauer, taking notes.

I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of other personal presidential and top WH legal counsels being in the hearing room, ready to advise/coach the nominee, in the past.

He wasn't seated so prominently yesterday, and per his past documented hardball MO, he might be there in the front row as a not so subtle reminder to some of the questioners.


20 posted on 06/29/2010 8:09:18 AM PDT by STARWISE ( The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Dengar01

She hates anything mentioned in the Constitution...she is in favor of moving to a moving alternation of the document over time to award special rights and privileges to the losers and un gifted at the expense of those who achieve. She represents a view that is totally at odds with mine.

Remember how Myers was roasted by both the left and right before withdrawing? Why so and not this crumb? Simple, the RINO’s have no backbone and some may as well be dummocrates. Look at the ruling yesterday where her alter eog voted and you get a great idea where this one is going too.


21 posted on 06/29/2010 8:13:26 AM PDT by Mouton
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Kagan embraces notion of living Constitution

Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan is calling the Constitution a living document, saying its framers wrote it to last through ever-changing circumstances.

Her remarks in an exchange with Sen. Patrick Leahy on the second day of confirmation hearings touched on suggestions by Republican critics that she would legislate from the bench.

*snip*

"Either way," she said, "we apply what they say, what they meant to do, so in that sense we are all originalists."

22 posted on 06/29/2010 8:14:08 AM PDT by STARWISE ( The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/page/2/?fbid=EOYMqoT5VFa

Solicitor General Kagan’s White House support team at the hearing includes White House Counsel Bob Bauer, Susan Davies (Bauer’s deputy who has been running day-to-day of the confirmation process) and Phil Schiliro, Assistant to the President for Legislative Affairs.


23 posted on 06/29/2010 8:17:12 AM PDT by maggief
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To: STARWISE

If they tried to bring out her feminine side, they failed miserably.


24 posted on 06/29/2010 8:18:02 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (.)
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To: kristinn

It’s 11:15 EST, anyone have a copy of the General’s opening statement? I would love to be able to read it, or know if the hearing will be replayed?


25 posted on 06/29/2010 8:18:02 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: kristinn

Now with Feinstein: “Do YOU think...?” and she answers “I think the court has held...”
Won’t say what she herself thinks.


26 posted on 06/29/2010 8:19:14 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: kristinn
I see they have seated themselves in a prime photo-op position.


27 posted on 06/29/2010 8:24:23 AM PDT by maggief
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To: kristinn

Obligatory “Carpet Muncher” Alert!

(See Tagline)


28 posted on 06/29/2010 8:25:33 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer calls opponents "Teabaggers". So we can call Kagan "Carpet Muncher." Right?)
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To: maggief

Hag-o-palooza!


29 posted on 06/29/2010 8:26:52 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: huldah1776

(found this copy from a questionable link)

http://smallwarsjournal.com/documents/petraeusopeningstatement.pdf


30 posted on 06/29/2010 8:34:25 AM PDT by maggief
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To: kristinn
Ten minute break on Petraeus hearing... What's the deal with Grahmn?....what an a**. From his line of questioning and presentation of those questions you'd think he was against Petraeus? Maybe I'm missing something here. But he sure is being an A**.
31 posted on 06/29/2010 8:34:38 AM PDT by caww
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Sen. Sessions on CNN saying he is “troubled” by Kagan’s testimony today. He is not ruling out a filibuster.


32 posted on 06/29/2010 8:35:35 AM PDT by kristinn (I am a footnote in Sean Hannity's new book, Conservative Victory. Pgs 239, 240)
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To: kristinn
How can the GOP possibly confirm this woman?

If they don't filibuster kagan there is no reason to support the party as it currently exists

I've never seen anyone less qualified

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33 posted on 06/29/2010 8:38:31 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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He was trying to drive a wedge between the Obama administration and its Code Pink base by trying to get Petraeus to say the 2011 troop drawdown date was not going to be kept. He also tried to make the point by asking questions he knew couldn't be answered by Petraeus.

At the end, Petraeus pulled rank on Graham by addressing him as "Colonel" and saying he looks forward to Graham serving (under him) in Afghanistan. (Graham is a Reserves JAG.)

34 posted on 06/29/2010 8:39:43 AM PDT by kristinn (I am a footnote in Sean Hannity's new book, Conservative Victory. Pgs 239, 240)
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Just Kabuki Theatre. The Senate will confirm both and this is just to give the appearance the OGP is working for “us”.
35 posted on 06/29/2010 8:40:35 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: maggief

The only thing lacking on these code pink gals is the tie dyed shirts and long stringy hair and a garland of flowers....what an embarrassment!


36 posted on 06/29/2010 8:44:38 AM PDT by caww
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To: Elle Bee

>> How can the GOP possibly confirm this woman?

Because they really don’t represent us.

They’d rather maintain harmony in the Senate than fight tooth-n-nail to accomplish that which sustains our liberties.


37 posted on 06/29/2010 8:44:47 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: kristinn

It’s still a question on which way Lindsey Graham swings, ... (both in and out of the hearings).

He got quite cozy with Holder.

FLASHBACK:

http://cbs11tv.com/national/Eric.Holder.attorney.2.919893.html

Jan 28, 2009
Senate Panel Approves Holder Nomination For AG

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said he supports Holder’s view that the country needs to interrogate terrorism suspects based on American values.

“I am confident this new attorney general will have a balanced approach and I look forward to working with him. I know he’s made mistakes and so have I,” Graham said.

//

http://www.thestate.com/local/story/871483.html

Tuesday, Jul. 21, 2009
USC to get new business building
Funds will come from leasing current building to Department of Justice

An estimated 250 Justice Department employees working in different locations near Washington, D.C., will be relocated to Columbia over an unspecified period.

Graham said U.S. taxpayers will save $42 million by having Justice Department employees working in South Carolina, which has lower costs than Washington.

“It was almost too good to be true,” Graham said of the plan. “But it proved to be true.”

Graham, a Republican, praised U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and Deputy Attorney General David Ogden, both of whom were appointed by President Obama, a Democrat.

“I can’t thank Eric Holder and David Ogden enough,” Graham said, adding they offered their support for a leasing plan that was initiated during the administration of George W. Bush.


38 posted on 06/29/2010 8:46:13 AM PDT by maggief
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To: STARWISE

>> “Either way,” she said, “we apply what they say, what they meant to do, so in that sense we are all originalists.”

Holy crap!!!


39 posted on 06/29/2010 8:46:42 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: kristinn

Well that explains it...obvious Petraeus didn’t give him the answer he was looking for. From my perspective it doesn’t look as though there is a date per say...rather a “process” which isn’t a withdrawal of troops. I say stay for whatever duration...better there than on US soil. Keep it all in the ME.


40 posted on 06/29/2010 8:49:19 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I agree. The problem is Obama gave everyone the impression we’d be pulling out come 2011. That has encouraged the enemy and has convinced potential Afghan allies we’ll abandon them so they don’t want to help us.


41 posted on 06/29/2010 8:55:55 AM PDT by kristinn (I am a footnote in Sean Hannity's new book, Conservative Victory. Pgs 239, 240)
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To: kristinn
I don't know why the Reps. even attend and ask questions at these hearings. It does not matter what the question is because she will answer the question with a lie if the truth would disqualify her.
42 posted on 06/29/2010 9:09:14 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: kristinn

I’m sorry, but I’m not at in the least bit impressed with Petraeus. His philosophy on Afghanistan, IMO, is complex and ambiguous.

I found one of his comments about the ROIs to be absurd. He said (paraphrasing) that if troop are taking fire from a house, that they shouldn’t necessarily take the house out, because there might be “civilians” inside. That possibly disengaging or regrouping may be the best idea.

Huh?

He’s wrong. “Civilians” need to learn that the insurgents they’re dealing with are radioactive and that hanging around them or allowing them to hang around you can be dangerous or fatal.

He’s going to “take a look” at the rules of engagement. WTF is that supposed to mean? If he hasn’t realized by now that they’re not working and they’re getting our soldiers killed, he is, quite simply, a dumbass.

This entire concept of trying to get everyone to us is ill-conceived and dangerous. It wouldn’t be so bad if it actually worked on a practical level, but it doesn’t work on any level. The Ishmaelites don’t like us regardless.


43 posted on 06/29/2010 9:25:51 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: kristinn
Check this article out - Kagan's Abortion Distortion (by Shannen W. Coffin, an attorney in Washington, D.C., who was the deputy assistant attorney general in charge of the defense of the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act during the Bush administration).

Now we learn that language purporting to be the judgment of an independent body of medical experts devoted to the care and treatment of pregnant women and their children was, in the end, nothing more than the political scrawling of a White House appointee.

Miss Kagan’s decision to override a scientific finding with her own calculated distortion in order to protect access to the most despicable of abortion procedures seriously twisted the judicial process. One must question whether her nomination to the Court would have the same effect.

44 posted on 06/29/2010 9:33:04 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: STARWISE

Nothing like a real bastard of a big brother breathing down the back of your neck.

I can’t stand this “woman”. She is not only UNQUALIFIED, but she is an Ideologue.

I hope Dems remember THAT the next time we get a SCOTUS nominee, and we nominate an evangelical Christian who is a life long opponent of abortion and more than willing to uphold anything supporting religion and God.

Remember Kagan then you liberal slimes.


45 posted on 06/29/2010 9:36:17 AM PDT by Danae (If Liberals were only moderately insane, they would be tollerable. Alas, such is not the case.)
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To: AAABEST

I found one of his comments about the ROIs to be absurd. He said (paraphrasing) that if troop are taking fire from a house, that they shouldn’t necessarily take the house out, because there might be “civilians” inside. That possibly disengaging or regrouping may be the best idea.


Gen Petraeus knows exactly what needs to be said at these hearings. Love him or hate him if you will. When he was in charge of the 101st in the push for Baghdad he pretty much said screw Washington and continued on to Mosul and had his forces in place and ready before the TV cameras caught up with them. He dealt with the city his way and never had a problem


46 posted on 06/29/2010 9:51:01 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: kristinn
Well we always can count on Bo to screw up everything he touches...unfortunately life's are lost and so much more when he does so. He needs to just go away...the sooner the better. He confuses our allies and I can't say I don't blame them...they see no one of any substance in charge of our country...because there isn't.
47 posted on 06/29/2010 9:58:29 AM PDT by caww
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To: kristinn
From NRO blog:

11:31 A.M.: Feinstein hits Congress’s power to protect environment under Commerce Clause.

Feinstein: can individual citizens prove that they were harmed directly by global warming?

Kagan: A qualified yes.


Republicans should be asking her all sorts of questions about that.
48 posted on 06/29/2010 10:00:50 AM PDT by dr_who
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WHY is General Petraeus even undergoing hearings??? Didn’t he do that already, just a year ago??


49 posted on 06/29/2010 10:07:57 AM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: kristinn
Well we always can count on Bo to screw up everything he touches...unfortunately life's are lost and so much more when he does so. He needs to just go away...the sooner the better. He confuses our allies and I can't say I don't blame them...they see no one of any substance in charge of our country...because there isn't.
50 posted on 06/29/2010 10:17:49 AM PDT by caww
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