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U.S., Afghan Forces Launch Major Offensive
FoxNews.com ^ | Published June 29, 2010 | FoxNews

Posted on 06/29/2010 8:08:22 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet

As many as 150 insurgent fighters have been killed since Sunday in a major offensive involving about 700 U.S. and Afghan troops along eastern Afghanistan's border with Pakistan, a senior military official confirmed to Fox News early Tuesday.

The U.S.-led operation was one of the largest yet in the region, officials told The Washington Post, who described the assault as "one of the most intense battles of the past year."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghan; afghanistan; pakistan; petraeus; supportourtroops; war
150 is actually quite a lot. Stock photo of SF in Kabul 2002
1 posted on 06/29/2010 8:08:25 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
700 U.S. and Afghan troops

700 doesn't strike me as "major." How about 10,000?

2 posted on 06/29/2010 8:11:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Major Attack! Who is in command? Obama? The general he appointed is sitting in a Senate grilling room listening to idiots pontificate. Rudderless regime.


3 posted on 06/29/2010 8:17:17 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

I’m sure this was planned well before McChrystal got the axe and the subordinate commanders are running the show. However, it’s what happens next that will tell how the rest of the war will be conducted. If history repeats itself with Demoncrats in charge (ie. Viet Nam), the US will take ground and then give it back.


4 posted on 06/29/2010 8:24:19 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Enough of this defensive warfare, take the battle to the enemy, that is the way to get this job finished. Let NATO keep the peace after wards.
5 posted on 06/29/2010 8:33:10 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Great photo from a time when the military didn’t have restricted rules of engagement and took care of business.


6 posted on 06/29/2010 8:36:28 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

On the plus side, the change in command probably led the enemy into a false sense of security, believing the operatoin wouldn’t take place for some time. On the other hand, I concur with some comments here that the current administration doesn’t have the sense or will to do what really needs to be done.


7 posted on 06/29/2010 8:37:47 AM PDT by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: elpadre

“Enough of this defensive warfare, take the battle to the enemy, that is the way to get this job finished. Let NATO keep the peace after wards.”

Too little, too late. This is one area where I agree with Obama, we can’t win and it’s a waste of time, resources and lives to continue on with this. You can’t force a democracy on people that just don’t want it. We should have gone in and leveled the place and then just left after 9/11 but Bush and his neo-conservatives thought that they knew better. BullS%%t! you can’t nation build in a place like this and you can’t win if you can’t go after the enemy where ever he happens to be. This is Vietnam act II and will end the same way only worse.


8 posted on 06/29/2010 8:44:04 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
To refer to an operation involving 700 troops as “major” tells you all you need to know about our chances for long term success in Afghanistan, and anywhere else, for that matter.
You can't get a little bit pregnant. Either fight to win with everything you've got, or our soldiers die for nothing. This is what caused us to lose in Vietnam, and the irony is that the current administration is largely made up of people who did everything in their power to insure we lost in Vietnam, and in every conflict since then.
With the fifth column currently in charge combined with the massive shrinkage of our military capabilities due to the ongoing downsizing, the US would have a tough time defeating Luxembourg. God help use when we finally have to fight Russia and China. We won't have time to rearm and we will be annihilated. Which is what Obama was put in place to facilitate.
9 posted on 06/29/2010 8:50:00 AM PDT by MGMSwordsman
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To: ScottinVA
700 doesn't strike me as "major." How about 10,000?

Depends. The Russians went in hard and heavy with hundreds of thousands and you see what happened to them. Yet 700 of our Special Operations troops would be considered a HUGE force for that group. Afghanistan has to be considered a SOF war, rather than conventional. Iraq is OTOH, more "conventional" since it has the terrain that lends itself to tanks and mounted infantry forces. Apples and oranges.

This war can be WON but it has to be fought smart and not conventionally. So I guess that rules out the current administration. McChrystal was a special forces guy and Petraeus is a conventional guy, so there you go. We lose unless he admits to himself and the POTUS that we have to commit overwhelming special operators to go in and do the job right.

10 posted on 06/29/2010 9:02:12 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

Until we recognize that the war extends into Pakistan, we have no chance of winning.


11 posted on 06/29/2010 9:10:36 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: Notary Sojac

Of course the question for General Patreus at his confirmation should be: General, you are a student of war and tactics throughout the ages, can you tell me of an example where a strategy similar to this present strategy has prevailed?


12 posted on 06/29/2010 9:23:21 AM PDT by nj patriot (Gore is beyond help.... Snakes in the head.)
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To: nj patriot

As I posted in another thread:

What I believe we need to win are -fighters-.

Fighters who will infiltrate their hideouts and shoot them in the back of the head without warning.

Fighters who will burn the villages that support the Taliban to the ground.

Fighters who will cross the border into Pakistan, find the Al Qaeda hiding there, kill them, and bury them wrapped in pig skins.

America finds this too nasty? OK, fine. Just don’t complain when we’re still slowly bleeding our military in Afghanistan fifteen years from now.....


13 posted on 06/29/2010 9:29:52 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: Notary Sojac

“...What I believe we need to win are -fighters-...”

We HAVE fighters.

We DON’T have a CinC. We DO have a pathetic, spoiled, self-centered, narcissistic, megalomaniac backed up a subversive political party intent on reducing the country.

There. Fixed it.


14 posted on 06/29/2010 9:36:36 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SandRat

(( ping ))


15 posted on 06/29/2010 9:39:30 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ExSoldier

AMEN, Brother!


16 posted on 06/29/2010 9:48:26 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: NFHale

Seven of the nine years of no-win war in Afghanistan came and went before Obama was sworn in.


17 posted on 06/29/2010 9:49:05 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: trapped_in_LA

As was stated this morning, if the economy of Afghanistan can be developed with minerals that are supposed to be there, then the country can move forward into the 21st century, if they want to. If they talked to the Amish, they might not want to, although the Amish are surrounded by police and protected by the US military. :)


18 posted on 06/29/2010 10:55:39 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Notary Sojac
Until we recognize that the war extends into Pakistan EVERYWHERE and we're willing to go ANYWHERE, we have no chance of winning.

There, fixed it.

19 posted on 06/29/2010 12:13:12 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

I can’t disagree.


20 posted on 06/29/2010 12:36:30 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: Jackson57; Don Corleone

This guy is likely running the show in Afghanistan. Lieutenant General David M. Rodriguez, the deputy commander of United States Forces - Afghanistan (USFOR-A).


21 posted on 06/29/2010 1:05:29 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
As many as 150 insurgent fighters have been killed since Sunday in a major offensive involving about 700 U.S. and Afghan troops along eastern Afghanistan's border with Pakistan, a senior military official confirmed to Fox News early Tuesday.
It's Tuesday. :')
22 posted on 06/29/2010 3:39:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Notary Sojac

A soldier with restrictive ROE can overreact and accidently shoot someone, and then go on trial accused of murder....

..but a UAV can wipe out AQ or taliban figure, along with “collateral damage”,..and things are hunky dory....

Hmm...maybe its time to stick to the hunky dory...


23 posted on 06/29/2010 3:57:44 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

...sorry, i forgot,..in regard to the UAV decimation, you have to throw in a few asalom alaikums with a bow at the waist,...THEN,..things are hunky dory.

Time to give our soldiers a break and stick with the UAV hunky dory.


24 posted on 06/29/2010 4:00:17 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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Prayers for the two Americans who were killed in the offensive and their families.


25 posted on 06/29/2010 4:26:46 PM PDT by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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To: Notary Sojac
I agree. This is a Special Forces war. This whole thing went to the dogs when they sent in the regular army. Special Forces were doing fine with 15 SF teams equipped with laser designators and on call TAC AIR.They got on by horse , camel, motorcycles and 4 wheelers and obliterated the Taliban in their camps and hide outs. The locals supported them because the locals fight the same way.

That's also why drones are highly effective.They are stealthy, they hit and move out before the Tangos can do anything about it. Regular Army is a sitting target, spread out too thinly, deployed in no mans land surrounded by the enemy, who simply pick away at then and their lines of supply just as in Viet Nam.,p> The dems do not know how to wage war, they have to manhy goals besides victory. All press should be restricted to Kabul, except for correspondents like Michael Yon.

IMHO the regular army in Afghanistan should be deployed along the Pakistan border, with the SF destroying every Tango strong hold they can find in the interior of Afghanistan at their backs, using their previously successful tactics.

And yes, take off those silly troop killing community organizing ROEs, win the war and GTH home.

26 posted on 06/29/2010 4:34:30 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Prayers up for our troops! God bless and finish the job!


27 posted on 06/29/2010 9:22:56 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

” The U.S.-led force in Kunar gave no prior warning of the offensive, unlike the onslaught in Marjah in southern Afghanistan earlier this year.

“We needed the element of surprise in that terrain,” Colonel Andrew P. Poppas was quoted as saying. “


28 posted on 06/30/2010 6:07:21 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

150 down, 150,000,000 to go.


29 posted on 07/01/2010 1:51:27 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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