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Democrats quietly cheer high court gun ruling
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Posted on 06/29/2010 8:24:23 AM PDT by LouAvul

When the Supreme Court extended the individual right to own a gun Monday, they handed Second Amendment advocates—many of whom are at home in the GOP—one of their most significant legal victories ever.

But who won the day in politics? The Democrats.

For them, the court’s groundbreaking decision couldn’t have been more beneficial to the cause in November. Now, Democratic candidates across the map figure they have one less issue to worry about on the campaign trail. And they won’t have to defend against Republican attacks over gun rights and an angry, energized base of gun owners.

“It removes guns as a political issue because everyone now agrees that the Second Amendment is an individual right and everybody agrees that it’s subject to regulation,” said Lanae Erickson, deputy director of the culture program at the centrist think tank Third Way.

A House Democratic aide agreed that the court’s decision removed a potentially combustible element from the mix.

“The Supreme Court ruled here that you have a fundamental right to own and bear arms, and that means at the national level it’s harder – whether it’s Republicans or whether it’s the [National Rifle Association] – to throw that claim out: if Democrats are in charge they’re going to come get your guns,” said the aide. “It pretty much took that off the table.”

The likely removal—or at least neutralization—of the gun issue this fall is of no small matter in the battle for the House and Senate. The Democratic majorities in both chambers were built, in part, on victories in pro-gun states and districts that had until recently been difficult terrain for Democratic candidates as a result of the national party’s position on gun control.

The chorus of responses to Monday’s ruling was a group of normally dissonant voices: It proved the rare occasion when both former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could find common ground.

In a Facebook post titled, “Another Victory for the Second Amendment,” Palin wrote that the case “should leave little doubt that our individual right to keep and bear arms applies everywhere and is a right for everyone.”

Reid essentially agreed, calling the right to bear arms “one of the essential freedoms on which our country was founded.”

“I am pleased that the high court has taken steps in both the Heller and McDonald cases to guarantee this fundamental right,” he said in a prepared statement, referring to both the 2008 Heller decision, which struck down the District of Columbia’s restrictive gun law, and Monday’s McDonald v. Chicago decision against Chicago’s handgun ban.

For congressional Democrats—especially those in seats outside major metropolitan areas where support for gun rights runs high—the ruling offered a chance to assert their pro-gun bona fides.


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and everybody agrees that it’s subject to regulation

That statement is why anybody who would ever trust a demoRAT is a fool. The rats will still chip away at our rights one step at a time. Cf kalifornia.

1 posted on 06/29/2010 8:24:25 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Too funny!....As if this one issue will save their collective asses!!!


2 posted on 06/29/2010 8:25:45 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: LouAvul

This article is nonsensical and based on wishful thinking.


3 posted on 06/29/2010 8:25:55 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: LouAvul

BS. The dems will try to find a way around this to prevent normal people from defending their life and property using deadly force if necessary.


4 posted on 06/29/2010 8:27:28 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Never trust your life savings to income redistributionists)
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To: LouAvul

You are so right. That complete phrase ““It removes guns as a political issue because everyone now agrees that the Second Amendment is an individual right and everybody agrees that it’s subject to regulation,”” is complete fancy.

Like Reagan said — (or supposedly said) ‘trust everyone, but cut the deck’ and ‘ watch what they DO, not what they SAY’

Until, and *IF* the DemocRATS really let this issue go, it’ll still be an issue.


5 posted on 06/29/2010 8:29:05 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Right, and watch Chicago Mayor Dailey - He’s going to resurrect some kind of regulation just in time for November


6 posted on 06/29/2010 8:29:12 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: LouAvul

More and more, Politico is starting to look like one of the MSM Obama-bootlickers. This imbecile’s logic is that now that 1 of the rightwingers issue is out of the way...we won!!

Absolute idiocy but thanks for the LOL in the morning.


7 posted on 06/29/2010 8:29:55 AM PDT by max americana
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To: LouAvul

Hopefully 2A advocates will recognize that SCOTUS is one vote shy of another decision that could effectively overturn both Heller and McDonald, if they vote for Senators who will rubberstamp another Sotomayer or Kagan nominee.


8 posted on 06/29/2010 8:29:55 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: LouAvul
As Top O'Neil said: "All politics is local".

The Supreme Court struck a blow against state and local infringement of gun rights -- but the concept of "reasonable regulation" has not been resolved. Here in MA, the news is filled with reports that the Governor is looking at this ruling and deciding what to do on the state level (we're currently quite restricted and the Democrats obviously want to find a way to keep it that way).

Gun Control is now a very hot topic on the local level. And all politics is local. This is not good news for Dems.

9 posted on 06/29/2010 8:31:46 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: LouAvul
What a bunch of morons. I guess it would be an inconvenient truth to point out that a recently DEMOCRAT appointed affirmative action dope, Sotomayor, was one of the four dissenters.
10 posted on 06/29/2010 8:31:58 AM PDT by Enterprise (As a disaster unfolds, a putz putts.)
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To: LouAvul

Please will someone confiscate all the medicinal marijuana they have at Politico...


11 posted on 06/29/2010 8:32:27 AM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER from my house....)
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To: LouAvul
Now, Democratic candidates across the map figure they have one less issue to worry about on the campaign trail.

Snort.

A two word note to the 'Rats: Elena Kagan.

12 posted on 06/29/2010 8:32:27 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29. Over 250 roll call votes missed and counting...)
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To: LouAvul

I’m surprised I even read the article. It’s from Politico.

But it is about the court ruling, and gun rights, so I did.

Typical Leftist Politico.


13 posted on 06/29/2010 8:33:50 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (The Left draws criminals as excrement draws flies. The Left IS a criminal organization.)
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Grasping at straws, just as the GOP establishment did in 2006 and 2008. The trend is the trend. Coming up with fake reasons to be optimistic is a sign of denial.


14 posted on 06/29/2010 8:34:01 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: shalom aleichem

They intend (supposedly) to mimic the DC regs that aren’t all that bad now.

To legally own a handgun in DC, ya gotta

(1) take a safety course (not a bad idea)
(2) spend an hour on the range with instructor (also a good idea)
(3) get fingerprinted (not the best, but tolerable. I did it in Ga)
(4) submit to a ballistics test so expended bullets can be traced back to your barrel (a bit instrusive, but again tolerable ... just buy a replacement barrel ;-p )
(5) stay registered.

DC has only had 800 people register legally since implementing those regs. (per CBS news)

So ... if Chicago requires all that, which isn’t much worse than passing a driver’s test and getting a license for a car, then so be it.

Plus the Illinois legislature (IIRC) put a law in place that makes it NOT a crime to use deadly force with an unregistered handgun in legitimate home- and self-defense.

Perhaps not as bad as it might seem.

The NRA.org and usacarry.org and georgiacarry.org have some good poop on this.

p.s. GA changed the law, and I am pretty sure you no longer have your prints displayed on your license when renewing.


15 posted on 06/29/2010 8:37:01 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: LouAvul
A building block is NOT the whole building, Harry. If you think the gun issue is the only thing that will cost you the election, you are older and more senile than we imagined.

Any other ruling by the court would have probably meant a major upheaveal in this country, and immediate.

The dems need to quit the charade of "born'd and raised in da briar patch" and look realistically at why the tide is against them...it's not only the guns.

Purring and winking won't get you any points with mainstream America...they know, and you know, what you've done.


Throats09


16 posted on 06/29/2010 8:37:49 AM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
-- This article is nonsensical and based on wishful thinking. --

It's an attempt to create a myth, that the objective of curtailing legal protection for firearms ownership and bearing is off the DEMs minds. Only a few stupid people are going to fall for this fabrication, 4 of 9 justices say the RKBA isn't enforceable against the states, and the DEMS want to put MORE like that on the Supreme Court.

17 posted on 06/29/2010 8:38:53 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: LouAvul

This is like saying that the loss of Vicksburg was a victory for the Confederacy because they no longer had to defend the Mississippi. The liberals win by making their ultimate victory look inevitable. Convincing people that greater achievement is impossible so they should just loot as much for themselves as they can get. The mere fact that they were defeated, not merely stopped, but thrown back shows that the assumption of the eventual cultural victory of the left is a farce. They can be fought. We can not only slow them down, but we can take back our country. There is no way that the Dem’s can spin that as a victory.


18 posted on 06/29/2010 8:39:53 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: max americana
-- More and more, Politico is starting to look like one of the MSM Obama-bootlickers. --

Always has been as far as I'm concerned. It drew its writers from AP, etc.

19 posted on 06/29/2010 8:40:48 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: LouAvul
Right, no one will notice this: Despite Supreme Court Ruling, Chicago Mayor Says He’ll Fight to Preserve City’s Gun Ban.
20 posted on 06/29/2010 8:41:13 AM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Should have never been heard there.
If every right is subject to a USSC ruling, we’re screwed. They get as many wrong as they do right.

I’d rather do battle on state level, state by state. I can always move to a free state.


21 posted on 06/29/2010 8:41:34 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (drain the swamp! ( then napalm it and pave it over ))
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To: LouAvul

Two points:

1. Four Democrat Justices think that citizens may be fully disarmed by their state governments.

2. The game is one for a massive generation of gun rights litigation, with rulings to be made by the federal judge and SCOTUS appointees of future Presidents, confirmed by future congresses.


22 posted on 06/29/2010 8:41:57 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: LouAvul

Gun owners aren’t that easily lulled into ignorance. Democrats are out to destroy the Constitution/Republic, and the 2nd Amendment is a priority. With unemployment at 10 percent and rising, with housing tanking, gas prices rising and Socialism failing everywhere, Democrats have a full plate of crap to eat come November. We should shovel it on, not forgetting who the gun grabbers are as we go.


23 posted on 06/29/2010 8:43:06 AM PDT by pallis
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Too funny!....As if this one issue will save their collective asses!!!

Yep. Somebody needs to tell Politico "It's the economy, stupid!" Most people I talk to know instinctively that all the runaway spending, the corporate seizures and all the rest of Obamalamadingdong's efforts aren't in America's best interests. If I were a Democrat seeking election or re-election that is what I would be worried about come November.

24 posted on 06/29/2010 8:43:39 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: LouAvul
“It removes guns as a political issue because everyone now agrees that the Second Amendment is an individual right and everybody agrees that it’s subject to regulation,”

Nonsense. It just changes the debate to how much and what kind of regulation is "reasonable". The battles will be just as intense and the usual suspects will be lining up on each side.

25 posted on 06/29/2010 8:43:39 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: LouAvul
...because everyone now agrees that the Second Amendment is an individual right ...

Except for 4 of 9 SCOTUS justices who happen to be left wing.

26 posted on 06/29/2010 8:44:50 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: LouAvul

I thought that this was going to be an article that admits

Yet another article from the DEM spin machine that a DEM defeat is good for the DEMs.

Secondly, I’ve never heard a democrat “quietly cheer” about anything.


27 posted on 06/29/2010 8:45:58 AM PDT by kidd
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

This ruling only puts more guns into the hands of American citizens so we can take care of business.


28 posted on 06/29/2010 8:47:23 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: LouAvul

As you might expect, the so-called “centrist” group “Third way” that Politico cites is actually a Dem Party front group, dedicated to “modernizing progressivism”, and with 6 Dem Senators on its advisory board.


29 posted on 06/29/2010 8:48:38 AM PDT by CivilWarguy
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To: WOBBLY BOB
If every right is subject to a USSC ruling, we’re screwed.

As someone said yesterday, if the Left wins a case (such as Roe v Wade), then it's settled law. Everything changes overnight, for all time. No challenges or nuances need to be entertained, because the Supreme Court has spoken.

But, now that the Court has rendered this decision on gun rights, the Liberal talking heads on my local radio were saying: What about reasonable restrictions for violent misdemeanors (spouse abuse)? Or permits? Trigger locks? Machine guns? How many guns can you purchase in a month? Do you have to register your guns? The list was endless. It really painted the picture that, with about 23 additional Supreme Court cases over the next few decades, we will eventually have a clear understanding of what the Second Amendment means.

Sheesh!

30 posted on 06/29/2010 8:49:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Blueflag

All the steps you noted pertain to POSSESSION in the home, not to carry concealed.


31 posted on 06/29/2010 8:53:32 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’d still rather fight those issues on a local level where I can “get in their face” (Obammy-style) than have it all dictated from some czar from afar or a dork in a robe.


32 posted on 06/29/2010 8:55:37 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (drain the swamp! ( then napalm it and pave it over ))
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To: LouAvul

Even though the four radical leftist dems on the court voted to OVERTURN the 2nd amendment??? The left wing Politico is REEEEELY looking hard for good news for its party, isn’t it!


33 posted on 06/29/2010 8:57:38 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Cboldt

Good point. And an important distinction.

I did all that for concealed carry.

I wonder what the penalty is in DC for failure to properly register? Misdemeanor or felony?

I can’t see how it could be a felony, but ya never know.


34 posted on 06/29/2010 8:57:38 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: LouAvul

No it des not remove this issue because many cities still insist that they will keep their bans and since 99% of them are run by Dems....This writer is dreaming.


35 posted on 06/29/2010 8:59:21 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: LouAvul

I a way, that sleazeball John Edwards was right... there ARE two Americas. But he was wrong about their descriptions. One America trusts the Constitution backed up with citizens’ right to carry arms, the OTHER America abhors the Constitution and wants to disarm the citizens. In one America we are citizens, in the other we are subjects.

That’s the new American divide, and the two opposing camps can NOT coexist. Red and blue America are headed for a reckoning.


36 posted on 06/29/2010 9:02:09 AM PDT by moodyskeptic (the counterculture votes R)
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To: LouAvul

How much “regulation”? The liberals are still open to attack, the ruling hasn’t changed much. Daley is already moving to deflect any changes and Bloomberg will be spouting his crap just like he was yesterday.


37 posted on 06/29/2010 9:04:58 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
The Second Amendment says my rights cannot be infringed. There ought to be no local issues to be fought over. Doesn't matter what state you're in -- your RKBA cannot be infringed.

Actually, the First Amendment (prior to incorporation) went in the direction you suggest -- CONGRESS shall make no law ... If your local state wants to restrict your speech or religion, the founders implied that it could. But, with incorporation, it's clear that this has been extended beyond a restriction on Congress.

But the Second Amendment has always been broader. It just says the right cannot be infringed. By anyone. Again, I say that there are no local battles that need to be fought. It should be open season -- go stock up on weaponry. But I realize that the local authorities will still try to infringe where the courts will allow it.

38 posted on 06/29/2010 9:06:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: LouAvul; Virginia Ridgerunner; AngelesCrestHighway

Let me see if I get the logic of this...

People will vote democrat because the supremes rejected one of the dems’ pet policy and instead sided with the people.


39 posted on 06/29/2010 9:06:17 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: LouAvul

I despise the rats who write for politico!


40 posted on 06/29/2010 9:06:44 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: chris_bdba
and everybody agrees that it’s subject to regulation

No kidding to your statement. And as the above statement proves all the Democrats have to do to be back up to their collective necks in crap is to be asked about what regulations they believe in.
There is no unreasonable gun control law in the minds of a liberal. They also believe they are so smart that they can propose anything -from a thousand dollars a bullet tax to having the weapon completely disassembled and buried - and everyone will agree to it.

41 posted on 06/29/2010 9:08:25 AM PDT by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds... in becoming a one term president.)
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To: Blueflag
To legally own a handgun in DC, ya gotta

(1) take a safety course (not a bad idea)
(2) spend an hour on the range with instructor (also a good idea)
(3) get fingerprinted (not the best, but tolerable. I did it in Ga)
(4) submit to a ballistics test so expended bullets can be traced back to your barrel (a bit instrusive, but again tolerable ... just buy a replacement barrel ;-p )
(5) stay registered.

A lot of, in your words, "good ideas." None of which are required in Pennsylvania for possession (and only #5 for concealed carry). Is the crime rate any higher here in PA? Is there "blood in the streets?"

42 posted on 06/29/2010 9:10:18 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

How can this be,I thought the stimuls,healthcare,finreg,oil spill, fill in the next one was going to save them in Nov


43 posted on 06/29/2010 9:11:58 AM PDT by italianquaker (obama all hat no cattle)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Gun rights will ALWAYS be an issue against the Dems...this coming election— all elections until the world is gone.


44 posted on 06/29/2010 9:19:04 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Blueflag
-- I wonder what the penalty is in DC for failure to properly register? --

That's not the only way one can run afoul of the law ...

Possession of ammunition for an unregistered firearm is prohibited in the District of Columbia, and you may be subject to criminal charges. If registering a semi-automatic firearm, bring the empty accompanying magazine. Please note that it is illegal to possess a magazine that holds more than ten rounds of ammunition in the District of Columbia.

I don't know if this is up to date. DC seems to have "buried" the penalty parts of its statutes.


45 posted on 06/29/2010 9:19:44 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: LouAvul
Now, Democratic candidates across the map figure they have one less issue to worry about on the campaign trail.

Bull..crap! The narrow 5-4 decision dramatically demonstrates the necessity that after January, there must be a Senate that wouldn't believe Obama if he said people need oxygen to live, and would never confirm anyone he nominated, no matter what. That way the Democrats no longer have an incentive to assassinate one of OUR justices.

46 posted on 06/29/2010 9:21:35 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Enterprise

recently DEMOCRAT appointed affirmative action dope, Sotomayor, was one of the four dissenters.”

In her appearances before the Senate committee that confirmed her nomination, she clearly said that she believed in the 2nd amendment & the right of the individual to bear arms.

SHE LIED.

KAGAN IS LYING as I type this.


47 posted on 06/29/2010 9:21:40 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ClearCase_guy
The Supreme Court struck a blow against state and local infringement of gun rights -- but the concept of "reasonable regulation" has not been resolved. Here in MA, the news is filled with reports that the Governor is looking at this ruling and deciding what to do on the state level (we're currently quite restricted and the Democrats obviously want to find a way to keep it that way).

The Supremes have defined the 2nd Amendment as an individual civil right. This means that the NRA, GOA, and the rest now have the ability to file federal lawsuits for civil rights violations the same way the ACLU does, and get reimbursed for their legal expenses.

I'm not sure if the Dem establishment has fully realized all the implications of RTKBA being a Constitutionally-protected civil right.

48 posted on 06/29/2010 9:22:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: LouAvul
That statement is why anybody who would ever trust a demoRAT is a fool. The rats will still chip away at our rights one step at a time. Cf kalifornia.

Actually, out here in California, the greatest threat to gun rights comes from the GOP. there's always a few moderate Republicans who succumb to their bipartisan urges and pass new gun laws. Aaaahnold has signed more than a few during his time in the Governor's mansion. His anointed successor, Meg Whitman, is also hostile toward gun rights.

Democrats may write gun laws, but RINOs pass them and sign them.

49 posted on 06/29/2010 9:24:15 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: ridesthemiles

I an sick and tired of having a Government of, by, and for dopey fat chicks.


50 posted on 06/29/2010 9:25:18 AM PDT by Enterprise (As a disaster unfolds, a putz putts.)
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