[neverdem]

Lock and Load?

What's the origin of that bass ackwards statement? A round has to be loaded into the action of a firearm before the action can be locked.

[Joe Brower]

IIRC, it goes back to the old muzzle-loader days, where one would fully cock the action before reloading from the bore. Can't recall ever doing that myself with my old CVA .45 Kentucky rifle, tho'...

[Max in Utah]

Probably refers to loading a magazine that is still in the weapon, by using stripper clips. The bolt must be locked back then the rounds pushed down into the mag.

I load my SKS in this way, one clip of ten rounds, remove clip, pull back on the bolt handle and release to let it go into battery.

[frogjerk]

In this sense it continues a process known as incorporation, in which the Bill of Rights, which was originally intended to restrict only the federal government, is extended via the 14th Amendment to restrict the states and local governments from interfering with the people’s rights as well.

Justice Thomas disagrees with this silly logic, with regards to the 2nd Amendment, and he disproves it fully in his brilliantly written opinion.

If we didn't need Clarance Thomas so badly on the Supreme Court I would nominate him to run for President of the United States.

[Redleg Duke]

Well, I don’t know where you took your basic, but we locked our M-14s (Put the safety on.) before we inserted a magazine into the mag well and then chambered a round.

[Redleg Duke]

Well, I don’t know where you took your basic, but we locked our M-14s (Put the safety on.) before we inserted a magazine into the mag well and then chambered a round.

[Yosemitest]

Watch this video, Loading and Shooting the M1 Garand.

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This is the source for that saying.

"The second explanation is that
the phrase (as "load and lock") originated during World War II
to describe the preparations required to fire an M1 Garand rifle.
After an ammunition clip was loaded into the rifle
the bolt automatically moved forward in order to "lock" a round into the chamber."

Or ... this source.

"This imperative phrase originally referred to the operation of the M1 Garand Rifle, the standard U.S. Army rifle of WWII. Its meaning is more general now, referring to preparation for any imminent event.


The original phrase was actually reversed, "load and lock."
The phrase refers to inserting a clip of ammunition into the rifle,
"loading," and "locking" the bolt forward
thereby forcing a round into the chamber.


The phrase first appears in Gach's 1941-42 In the Army Now. It was immortalized by John Wayne (who else?) in 1949's "Sands of Iwo Jima," where the Duke reversed the phrase to the current "lock and load."

I SAY AGAIN ... Watch this video, Loading and Shooting the M1 Garand

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[04-Bravo]

“Lock and Load”

When used as a range command, the word “lock” traditionally means to set the weapon on “safe.” The term was used with the 1903 Springfield, and maybe even before that.

The ‘03 Springfield range command was “load and lock”, meaning to load five rounds from the stripper clip into the magazine, close the bolt, then set the three-position safety to the “safe” position, which also locked the bolt closed. It was even called a “safety lock.”

When the M1 Garand came into service, the range command was reversed to “lock and load”, since the M1 could be set to “safe” before it was loaded with the en bloc clip. The M14 used the same type of safety.

The traditional term “lock” was kept when the M16 was brought into service.

[Terabitten]

What's the origin of that bass ackwards statement? A round has to be loaded into the action of a firearm before the action can be locked.

Lock the magazine into your rifle, then load a round into the chamber.

At least, that's how my drill sergeant explained it to me lo these many years ago.

[!1776!]

Ignoring the semantic, and I must say useless "lock and load discussion, there is something more important here...

After all, the idea of states rights is thought of as a conservative idea, and the process of incorporation uses the 14th Amendment to limit what the states can do.

This is an example of the ignorance that the left uses to smear conservatives. Stated plainly - they want states rights, but they support removing states rights.

We need to be more focused on directing the discussion to the true issue - this isn't about state rights, this is about personal rights for which no government, federal, state, or local, has the authority to interfere with. Period. This is specifically stated in the Bill of Rights, no questions asked unless you want to contort and torture the plain reading.

I could care less what "lock and load" means to anyone. The subtle dig in the article is - conservative ideals and respect for the Constitution are not compatible.

We really need to get better at countering this kind of BS.

[calex59]

The expression isn’t about locking the action but to locking the safety. On old flintlocks you had to put the lock all the way down on the frizzen for safety in order to load until you got to the part of putting powder in the pan, or a cap on the nipple in the case of percussion arms, the lock was then put into the “half cock” position, which gave rise to the expression, “Don’t go off half cocked”. On most military long arms it is possible to engage the safety before loading the firearm. On the range the person in charge gives the order to “lock and load” at which time the shooters engage the safeties and then load the piece.

[neverdem]

Second Amendment Special - better late than never!

John Lott Jr.: Supreme Court Gun Ban Ruling Can Make Us All Safer

Thomas Sowell: Gun-Control Laws - The Supreme Court interpreted the Second Amendment correctly.

Democrats quietly cheer high court gun ruling

MCDONALD, OTIS, ET AL. v. CHICAGO, IL I haven't finished Alito's opinion.

P.S. I've received satisfactory explanations for the command, Lock and Load.

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[FreedomPoster]

The old retired DI who taught a bunch of us 12 year olds to shoot NRA smallbore used to say Load and Lock. Almost all of us were shooting single-shot .22 bolt guns.

That old program was a great thing. You’d get badges and medals at various points as your scores went up in the various shooting positions, and you’d get your mom to sew them on your shooting vest. Fun stuff.

[Condor51]

What's the origin of that bass ackwards statement? A round has to be loaded into the action of a firearm before the action can be locked.

I see you got your answer :-)

But let me add that 'Lock & Load also would pertain to a Bolt Action Mauser, like the K-98, or the 'Modern' Yugo 48 & 48A.

The Safety on the Bolt has three positions:

• Horizontal to the Left - Bolt is 'Locked' and can't pull trigger, its also 'Locked'
  
• Straight up - Bolt is 'unlocked', but Trigger is still 'Locked'. This is your loading position.
  
• Horizontal to the Right - Bolt and trigger Unlocked and ready to fire.

Pretty sure the 03 Springfield has the same 'Lock & Load' procedure. And many other bolt action Rifles. A lot was 'ripped off' the Mauser design.

And here's something I found on the 3 Position 'Mauser' Safety and its advantages:

Position One (Right) = boom!
Position Two (Up) = You can clear the chamber but the firing pin is still blocked from forward movement.
Postion Three (Left) = no boom, and and the action won't cycle, which is good because twigs and such can't pry your bolt open without you're knowing it. The firing pin is physically blocked from forward movement.

Paul Mauser was one smart dude, like Germany's John Browning.

[1010RD]

Justices Breyer, Ginsburg, Stevens, and Sotomayor — all dissented and said that the second of the 10 amendments that make up the bill of rights should not apply to the states and that the states should be able to do what they want to.

This ought to put the lie to Kagan's statements that politics shouldn't enter in to SCOTUS decisions.

How can some of the 10 Amendments (s/b capitalized) apply, but the 2nd not?

[Jeff Head]

Always. One should always be prepared to defend one’s self, their family, their property, their treasury, their health and well bEing, their liberty, and their life against any criminal tyrant that would threaten thrum.

I do not care if the tyrant is a local criminal, a druggie, a foreign criminal, a foreign nation or terrorist, or rogues and marxists and their enablers in our own government at any level. That last one is really what the 2nd amendment is all about.

An unloaded gun in a locked footlocker will not be much good in the moment of crisis.