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What's the origin of that bass ackwards statement? A round has to be loaded into the action of a firearm before the action can be locked.

1 posted on 06/29/2010 1:48:24 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
IIRC, it goes back to the old muzzle-loader days, where one would fully cock the action before reloading from the bore. Can't recall ever doing that myself with my old CVA .45 Kentucky rifle, tho'...
2 posted on 06/29/2010 1:52:02 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem

Probably refers to loading a magazine that is still in the weapon, by using stripper clips. The bolt must be locked back then the rounds pushed down into the mag.

I load my SKS in this way, one clip of ten rounds, remove clip, pull back on the bolt handle and release to let it go into battery.


4 posted on 06/29/2010 1:57:29 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: neverdem
In this sense it continues a process known as incorporation, in which the Bill of Rights, which was originally intended to restrict only the federal government, is extended via the 14th Amendment to restrict the states and local governments from interfering with the people’s rights as well.

Justice Thomas disagrees with this silly logic, with regards to the 2nd Amendment, and he disproves it fully in his brilliantly written opinion.

If we didn't need Clarance Thomas so badly on the Supreme Court I would nominate him to run for President of the United States.

5 posted on 06/29/2010 2:06:29 PM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: neverdem

Well, I don’t know where you took your basic, but we locked our M-14s (Put the safety on.) before we inserted a magazine into the mag well and then chambered a round.


6 posted on 06/29/2010 2:11:55 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: neverdem

Well, I don’t know where you took your basic, but we locked our M-14s (Put the safety on.) before we inserted a magazine into the mag well and then chambered a round.


7 posted on 06/29/2010 2:11:59 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: neverdem
Watch this video, Loading and Shooting the M1 Garand.

This is the source for that saying.



Or ... this source. I SAY AGAIN ... Watch this video, Loading and Shooting the M1 Garand

8 posted on 06/29/2010 2:17:12 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: neverdem

“Lock and Load”

When used as a range command, the word “lock” traditionally means to set the weapon on “safe.” The term was used with the 1903 Springfield, and maybe even before that.

The ‘03 Springfield range command was “load and lock”, meaning to load five rounds from the stripper clip into the magazine, close the bolt, then set the three-position safety to the “safe” position, which also locked the bolt closed. It was even called a “safety lock.”

When the M1 Garand came into service, the range command was reversed to “lock and load”, since the M1 could be set to “safe” before it was loaded with the en bloc clip. The M14 used the same type of safety.

The traditional term “lock” was kept when the M16 was brought into service.


14 posted on 06/29/2010 2:39:17 PM PDT by 04-Bravo
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To: neverdem
What's the origin of that bass ackwards statement? A round has to be loaded into the action of a firearm before the action can be locked.

Lock the magazine into your rifle, then load a round into the chamber.

At least, that's how my drill sergeant explained it to me lo these many years ago.

19 posted on 06/29/2010 2:56:09 PM PDT by Terabitten ("Don't retreat. RELOAD!!" -Sarah Palin)
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To: neverdem
Ignoring the semantic, and I must say useless "lock and load discussion, there is something more important here...

After all, the idea of states rights is thought of as a conservative idea, and the process of incorporation uses the 14th Amendment to limit what the states can do.

This is an example of the ignorance that the left uses to smear conservatives. Stated plainly - they want states rights, but they support removing states rights.

We need to be more focused on directing the discussion to the true issue - this isn't about state rights, this is about personal rights for which no government, federal, state, or local, has the authority to interfere with. Period. This is specifically stated in the Bill of Rights, no questions asked unless you want to contort and torture the plain reading.

I could care less what "lock and load" means to anyone. The subtle dig in the article is - conservative ideals and respect for the Constitution are not compatible.

We really need to get better at countering this kind of BS.

20 posted on 06/29/2010 4:58:13 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: neverdem

The expression isn’t about locking the action but to locking the safety. On old flintlocks you had to put the lock all the way down on the frizzen for safety in order to load until you got to the part of putting powder in the pan, or a cap on the nipple in the case of percussion arms, the lock was then put into the “half cock” position, which gave rise to the expression, “Don’t go off half cocked”. On most military long arms it is possible to engage the safety before loading the firearm. On the range the person in charge gives the order to “lock and load” at which time the shooters engage the safeties and then load the piece.


24 posted on 06/29/2010 6:54:02 PM PDT by calex59
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27 posted on 06/30/2010 1:03:04 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

The old retired DI who taught a bunch of us 12 year olds to shoot NRA smallbore used to say Load and Lock. Almost all of us were shooting single-shot .22 bolt guns.

That old program was a great thing. You’d get badges and medals at various points as your scores went up in the various shooting positions, and you’d get your mom to sew them on your shooting vest. Fun stuff.


31 posted on 06/30/2010 3:20:01 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: neverdem
What's the origin of that bass ackwards statement? A round has to be loaded into the action of a firearm before the action can be locked.
I see you got your answer :-)

But let me add that 'Lock & Load also would pertain to a Bolt Action Mauser, like the K-98, or the 'Modern' Yugo 48 & 48A.

The Safety on the Bolt has three positions:
Pretty sure the 03 Springfield has the same 'Lock & Load' procedure. And many other bolt action Rifles. A lot was 'ripped off' the Mauser design.

And here's something I found on the 3 Position 'Mauser' Safety and its advantages:

Position One (Right) = boom!
Position Two (Up) = You can clear the chamber but the firing pin is still blocked from forward movement.
Postion Three (Left) = no boom, and and the action won't cycle, which is good because twigs and such can't pry your bolt open without you're knowing it. The firing pin is physically blocked from forward movement.
Paul Mauser was one smart dude, like Germany's John Browning.
32 posted on 06/30/2010 4:43:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: neverdem
Justices Breyer, Ginsburg, Stevens, and Sotomayor — all dissented and said that the second of the 10 amendments that make up the bill of rights should not apply to the states and that the states should be able to do what they want to.

This ought to put the lie to Kagan's statements that politics shouldn't enter in to SCOTUS decisions.

How can some of the 10 Amendments (s/b capitalized) apply, but the 2nd not?

33 posted on 06/30/2010 5:41:47 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem

Always. One should always be prepared to defend one’s self, their family, their property, their treasury, their health and well bEing, their liberty, and their life against any criminal tyrant that would threaten thrum.

I do not care if the tyrant is a local criminal, a druggie, a foreign criminal, a foreign nation or terrorist, or rogues and marxists and their enablers in our own government at any level. That last one is really what the 2nd amendment is all about.

An unloaded gun in a locked footlocker will not be much good in the moment of crisis.


38 posted on 06/30/2010 11:57:45 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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