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Why Islam Will Never Accept the State of Israel
American Thinker ^ | June 30, 2010 | Steven Simpson

Posted on 06/30/2010 12:04:03 AM PDT by neverdem

It is a common belief that the "Arab-Israeli conflict" is a conflict of two peoples fighting over the same piece of land and is therefore one of nationalism. Rarely, if ever, do we hear or read of the religious component to this conflict.

However, if anything, the conflict is more of a "Muslim-Jewish" one than an "Arab-Israeli" one. In other words, the conflict is based on religion -- Islam vs. Judaism -- cloaked in Arab nationalism vs. Zionism. The fact of the matter is that in every Arab-Israeli war, from 1948 to the present, cries of "jihad," "Allahu Akbar," and the bloodcurdling scream of "Idbah al- Yahud" (slaughter the Jews) have resonated amongst even the most secular of Arab leaders, be it Nasser in the 1950s and 1960s or the supposedly "secular" PLO of the 1960s to the present. Indeed, the question must be asked: If this is really a conflict of different nationalisms and not Islamic supremacism, then why is it that virtually no non-Arab Muslim states have full (if any) relations with Israel?

There is a common Arabic slogan that is chanted in the Middle East: "Khaybar, Khaybar! Oh Jews, remember. The armies of Muhammad are returning!" It would be most interesting to know how many people have ever heard what -- or more precisely, where -- Khaybar is, and what the Arabs mean by such a slogan. A short history of the Jews of Arabia is needed in order to explain this, and why Islam remains so inflexible in its hostile attitude towards Jews and Israel.

Until the founder of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdallah, proclaimed himself "Messenger of Allah" in the 7th century, Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully in the Arabian Peninsula. Indeed, the Jews -- and Judaism -- were respected to such an extent that an Arab king converted to Judaism in the 5th century. His name was Dhu Nuwas, and he ruled over the Himyar (present day Yemen) area of the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, it is most likely that the city of Medina (the second-holiest city in Islam) -- then called Yathrib -- was originally founded by Jews. In any event, at the time of Muhammad's "calling," three important Jewish tribes existed in Arabia: Banu Qurayza, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qaynuqa.  

Muhammad was very keen on having the Jews accept him as a prophet to the extent that he charged his followers not to eat pig and to pray in the direction of Jerusalem. However, the Jews apparently were not very keen on Muhammad, his proclamation of himself as a prophet, or his poor knowledge of the Torah (Hebrew Bible). Numerous verbal altercations are recorded in the Qur'an and various Hadiths about these conflicts between the Jewish tribes and Muhammad.

Eventually, the verbal conflicts turned into physical conflicts, and when the Jews outwardly rejected Muhammad as the "final seal of the prophets," he turned on them with a vengeance. The atrocities that were committed against these tribes are too numerous to cite in a single article, but two tribes, the Qaynuqa and Nadir, were expelled from their villages by Muhammad. It appears that the Qaynuqa left Arabia around 624 A.D. The refugees of the Nadir settled in the village of Khaybar.

In 628 A.D., Muhammad turned on the last Jewish tribe, the Qurayza, claiming that they were in league with Muhammad's Arab pagan enemies and had "betrayed" him. Muhammad and his army besieged the Qurayza, and after a siege of over three weeks, the Qurayza surrendered. While many Arabs pleaded with Muhammad to let the Qurayza leave unmolested, Muhammad had other plans. Unlike expelling the Qaynuqa and Nadir, Muhammad exterminated the Qurayza, with an estimated 600 to 900 Jewish men being beheaded in one day. The women and children were sold into slavery, and Muhammad took one of the widows, Rayhana, as a "concubine."

In 629 A.D., Muhammad led a campaign against the surviving Jews of Nadir, now living in Khaybar. The battle was again bloody and barbaric, and the survivors of the massacre were either expelled or allowed to remain as "second-class citizens." Eventually, upon the ascension of Omar as caliph, most Jews were expelled from Arabia around the year 640 A.D.

This brings us, then, to the question of why modern-day Muslims still boast of the slaughter of the Jewish tribes and the Battle of Khaybar. The answer lies in what the Qur'an -- and later on, the various Hadiths -- says about the Jews. The Qur'an is replete with verses that can be described only as virulently anti-Semitic. The amount of Surahs is too numerous to cite, but a few will suffice: Surah 2:75 (Jews distorted the Torah); 2:91 (Jews are prophet-killers), 4:47 (Jews have distorted the Bible and have incurred condemnation from Allah for breaking the Sabbath), 5:60 (Jews are cursed, and turned into monkeys and pigs), and 5:82 (Jews and pagans are the strongest in enmity to the Muslims and Allah). And of course, there is the genocidal Hadith from Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:177, which would make Adolph Hitler proud. "The Day of Judgment will not have come until you fight with the Jews, and the stones and the trees behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!"' Thus, the Arab Muslims had their own "final solution" in store for the Jews already in the 7th century.

The fact that Muslims still point to these (and many other) hateful verses in the Qur'an and Hadith should give Jews -- not just Israelis -- pause to consider if there can ever be true peace between Muslims and Jews, let alone between Muslims and Israel. When the armies of Islam occupied the area of Byzantine "Palestine" in the 7th century, the land became part of "Dar al-Islam" (House of Islam). Until that area is returned to Islam, (i.e., Israel's extermination), she remains part of "Dar al harb" (House of War). It now becomes clear that this is a conflict of religious ideology and not a conflict over a piece of "real estate."

Finally, one must ask the question: Aside from non-Arab Turkey, whose relations with Israel are presently teetering on the verge of collapse, why is it that no other non-Arab Muslim country in the Middle East has ever had full relations (if any at all) with Israel, such as faraway countries like Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan? Indeed, why would Persian Iran -- conquered by the Arabs -- have such a deep hatred for Jews and Israel, whereas a non-Muslim country such as India does not feel such enmity? The answer is painfully clear: The contempt in which the Qur'an and other Islamic writings hold Jews does not exist in the scriptures of the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and other Eastern religions. Therefore, people that come from non-Muslim states do not have this inherent hatred towards Jews, and by extension, towards Israel. But when a people -- or peoples -- is raised with a scripture that regards another people and religion as immoral and less than human, then it is axiomatic why such hatred and disdain exists on the part of Muslims for Jews and Israel.

Islam -- as currently interpreted and practiced -- cannot accept a Jewish state of any size in its midst. Unless Muslims come to terms with their holy writings vis-à-vis Jews, Judaism, and Israel and go through some sort of "reformation," it will be unlikely that true peace will ever come to the Middle East. In the meantime, unless Islam reforms, Israel should accept the fact that the Muslims will never accept Israel as a permanent fact in the Middle East.


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1 posted on 06/30/2010 12:04:07 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
The adherents of Islam have throughout the last fourteen centuries constantly been driven insane by their prophet's writings.

"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad."
Euripides Greek tragic dramatist (484 BC - 406 BC)

HF

2 posted on 06/30/2010 12:37:15 AM PDT by holden
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To: neverdem

Good find and so true. Thanks.


3 posted on 06/30/2010 12:40:02 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: SJackson

ME ping


4 posted on 06/30/2010 1:06:33 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem; left that other site

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5 posted on 06/30/2010 1:06:52 AM PDT by yorkie
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To: neverdem

Charlie Manson is sane by comparison.


6 posted on 06/30/2010 1:06:52 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: neverdem
Genesis 16 (It is amazing how many people are unaware of these verses)

Ishmeal was the father of the Arabs, and Issac of the Jews.

Now the angel of the LORD found her (Hagar, Ishmael's mother) by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?”

And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai. (Isaac's mother)” Then the angel of the LORD said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.” Moreover, the angel of the LORD said to her, “I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.”

The angel of the LORD said to her further, “Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction.

“He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”

7 posted on 06/30/2010 1:54:31 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: neverdem

It has always been a title question, and this author is correct. It is not an Arab-Israeli conflict, but a muslim-Jewish conflict. The muslims believe that they own the land because ishmael was the first born. But G-d gave the land to Issac, and then to Jacob, and therein lies the problem.


8 posted on 06/30/2010 2:50:35 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: richardtavor

But, don’t worry the Fed/Guv will spend billion$ and billion$ more on phoney treatys between the 2, even as Bin Laddie has declared war on us and the govmt is happily sacrificeing young soldiers to die. Hitler and Tojo must indeed be spinning.


9 posted on 06/30/2010 3:27:59 AM PDT by Waco
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To: neverdem
However, if anything, the conflict is more of a "Muslim-Jewish" one than an "Arab-Israeli" one.

The author is correct, but it is even bigger than he projects.

The conflict is ultimately a "Satan-God" one.

Israel (and especially Jerusalem) are the front line of battle on this earth between God and Satan, between Good and Evil.

This is an excellent book that (using biblical references) spells it all out in clear detail.

“Thus says the LORD 'Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it'” (Zechariah 12:2,3).

If you have ever wondered why the Jewish people have been so persecuted, why the world's media is so biased against Israel, why seemingly reasonable people come unglued when the subject of Israel and the Jews comes up, and why so much has happened throughout history (and will happen) that concentrates in this little patch of land, I urge people to read the bible, and read that book.

10 posted on 06/30/2010 3:32:35 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: neverdem

The Torah is the link between Heavebn and earth and for this reason, Evil, which is it’s own highest authority, despises the Jews. Evil ALWAYS hates the jews.


11 posted on 06/30/2010 3:41:19 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: neverdem

They needed to write this article?? Not for me.


12 posted on 06/30/2010 3:44:34 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: neverdem

So 1400 years of strife, death and destruction can be traced back to the Jews dissing Muhammad... Wonderful.


13 posted on 06/30/2010 4:32:34 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: TalBlack
GREAT post and oh so spot-on! Worthy of a BUMP...

"The Torah is the link between Heaven and earth and for this reason, Evil, which is it’s own highest authority, despises the Jews."

"Evil ALWAYS hates the Jews."

14 posted on 06/30/2010 4:43:56 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: I still care

““He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.””

Good Morning “I Still Care”!

We discussed this Passage in Our Daily Thread, called “Pray For The Peace of Jerusalem”.

The literal Translation of “live to the east of his brothers” in Hebrew is IN HIS BROTHER’S FACE, as in our modern expression “in your face”. Interesting, as it is SO applicable to our times!

You sound like someone who still cares. Why not mosey over to the Religion Forum and check us out?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2543569/posts?page=32


15 posted on 06/30/2010 5:22:01 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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16 posted on 06/30/2010 5:36:30 AM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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To: SJackson

Too bad they don’t teach all of the above at Harvard, or wherever they get their degrees!


17 posted on 06/30/2010 5:48:09 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: neverdem

Allahu Akbar
ML/NJ
18 posted on 06/30/2010 6:05:15 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: neverdem

For the Muslims, it’s not so deeply theological. The Islamic message is very seductive; you are a victim while at the same time not only entitled, but obliged to spread your way of life by force across the globe — even if this means wiping out the majority of the world’s population.

Islam’s dogmatism has kept the Islamic world backward for centuries, but Western appetite for petroleum in combination with our declining birthrates and general self-loathing has provided for an opportunity for Islam to spread into the rest of the world like a cancer.

Consequently, the future of Western civilization — if not mankind itself — has never been more bleak.


19 posted on 06/30/2010 7:11:00 AM PDT by walford (http://natural-law-natural-religion.blogspot.com/)
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Thanks neverdem.
...the conflict is more of a "Muslim-Jewish" one than an "Arab-Israeli" one. In other words, the conflict is based on religion -- Islam vs. Judaism -- cloaked in Arab nationalism vs. Zionism. The fact of the matter is that in every Arab-Israeli war, from 1948 to the present, cries of "jihad," "Allahu Akbar," and the bloodcurdling scream of "Idbah al- Yahud" (slaughter the Jews) have resonated amongst even the most secular of Arab leaders, be it Nasser in the 1950s and 1960s or the supposedly "secular" PLO of the 1960s to the present. Indeed, the question must be asked: If this is really a conflict of different nationalisms and not Islamic supremacism, then why is it that virtually no non-Arab Muslim states have full (if any) relations with Israel?

...Until the founder of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdallah, proclaimed himself "Messenger of Allah" in the 7th century, Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully in the Arabian Peninsula. Indeed, the Jews -- and Judaism -- were respected to such an extent that an Arab king converted to Judaism in the 5th century. His name was Dhu Nuwas, and he ruled over the Himyar (present day Yemen) area of the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, it is most likely that the city of Medina (the second-holiest city in Islam) -- then called Yathrib -- was originally founded by Jews. In any event, at the time of Muhammad's "calling," three important Jewish tribes existed in Arabia: Banu Qurayza, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qaynuqa.

20 posted on 06/30/2010 3:07:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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21 posted on 06/30/2010 3:09:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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There’s no reason to expect a peaceful end to this.


22 posted on 07/01/2010 5:06:12 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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