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VA hospital may have infected 1,800 veterans with HIV
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Posted on 06/30/2010 8:47:22 AM PDT by Scythian

(CNN) -- A Missouri VA hospital is under fire because it may have exposed more than 1,800 veterans to life-threatening diseases such as hepatitis and HIV.

John Cochran VA Medical Center in St. Louis has recently mailed letters to 1,812 veterans telling them they could contract hepatitis B, hepatitis C and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) after visiting the medical center for dental work, said Rep. Russ Carnahan.

Carnahan said Tuesday he is calling for a investigation into the issue and has sent a letter to President Obama about it.

"This is absolutely unacceptable," said Carnahan, a Democrat from Missouri. "No veteran who has served and risked their life for this great nation should have to worry about their personal safety when receiving much needed healthcare services from a Veterans Administration hospital."

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1 posted on 06/30/2010 8:47:25 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
Government health care in action.

You folks are gonna LOVE it.

2 posted on 06/30/2010 8:48:08 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Scythian

This is just terrible.


3 posted on 06/30/2010 8:50:01 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: skeeter

political correctness is killing this nation


4 posted on 06/30/2010 8:50:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Scythian

SOA?


5 posted on 06/30/2010 8:50:18 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: Scythian

OMG!.....................If true, it’s criminal negligence......................


6 posted on 06/30/2010 8:51:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. He's just some guy in the neighborhood.............)
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To: skeeter

Obama’s VA Hospital of the Future will have its patients pay extra for living the “high risk” lifestyles. [That is before completely disqualifying them from healthcare for such]


7 posted on 06/30/2010 8:51:13 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: skeeter

There’s a big difference between “exposed” and “infected”.

Still this is mindnumbing.


8 posted on 06/30/2010 8:51:13 AM PDT by JBR34
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To: a fool in paradise

Yes, and in every way imaginable.


9 posted on 06/30/2010 8:51:37 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Scythian

This seems a non-issue. The whole problem revolves around not following “standard protocol,” which dictates that you can only have one cleaning cycle per complete cleaning, using only the cleaning machine.

What these people did was to first hand wash the equipment, then put it in the cleaning machine for a second washing.

It would appear that no one is at risk and this is all hype.


10 posted on 06/30/2010 8:51:38 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Scythian

what a coincidence, seems like just the other day someone was urging all Americans to get an HIV test....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2541862/posts?page=133


11 posted on 06/30/2010 8:53:48 AM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: Scythian

Eh... my first thought: isn’t it so that, given the description of the way rules were disobeyed, that the actual risk for having contracted hepatitis or HIV is very, very, very slim, approaching zero?

This is absolutely not meant to belittle the neglect of the proper procedure, mind. But I always hate it if a header makes me startle, and then the article itself points towards something less dreadful.

In how far may this be predictive of the new health care system in the U.S.A.? Have Vet Hospitals always been giving subpar treatment, because they are federal institutions?

Just asking. I am Dutch, and an Americanophile by nature. And I like to learn things, that’s all.


12 posted on 06/30/2010 8:53:50 AM PDT by Ayn And Milton
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To: Red Badger; All

People, READ THE DANG ARTICLE! The problem was that a hand washing AND and cleaning machine cleaning was done, when standard protocol is to only wash once with the cleaning machine.

THIS IS A NON-ISSUE! They were being MORE CAREFUL than required and are getting punished for that.


13 posted on 06/30/2010 8:57:04 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Scythian

A similar thing occurred at Beaumont Army Medical Center here in El Paso. Dozens of soldiers and veterans were infected with hepatitis. Funny how I never see this happen at a privately run hospital.


14 posted on 06/30/2010 8:57:27 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Scythian

This is absolutely unacceptable,” said Carnahan, a Democrat from Missouri. “No veteran who has served and risked their life for this great nation should have to worry about their personal safety when receiving much needed healthcare services from a Veterans Administration hospital.”

Democrats are all patriots when there’s a crisis/vote to be had.

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15 posted on 06/30/2010 9:00:03 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Gaffer
Yes,but I'm sure the 'preferred classes' will still receive their exemptions.

And you know who they are.

16 posted on 06/30/2010 9:02:44 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Scythian

ya population control..


17 posted on 06/30/2010 9:05:29 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: ConservativeMind
I don't understand your point. Did the hospital deviate from procedure, and did that result in unnecessarily exposing patients to these diseases or not?

According to the article, that is exactly what happened.

18 posted on 06/30/2010 9:06:35 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: ConservativeMind

I’m suspicious of the hand-washing argument. The tools were too sensitive for the machines, but were still processed in the machines?

Is Carnahan up for reelection?


19 posted on 06/30/2010 9:09:02 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: skeeter
I'm not sure about that. You see, liberals really only pander to homosexuals, minorities, etc. because the need their votes. Deep down, in private and amongst friends, a lot of liberals are some of the biggest homophobes and racists on this planet.

Now, take a leap and imagine a USA where Obama has consolidated full power, changed the electoral policy, subverted and ignored the US Constitution, and in the face of a 'national emergency' (e.g., something like a major ecological disaster, a major financial market collapse, or wholesale citizen arrest over not getting their McDonalds Morning Frappe). Badaboom! Declaration of National Emergency and seizure of full control over all government agencies, law enforcement, military and other 'helpful' groups. Next comes cessation of elections, reformation of government (without our US Constitution), 'appointment' of a ruling government body....and so on...

What you end up with is reminiscent of Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, et al. The exact methods of implementation aren't the same (although some are eerily similar), but the results are.

I've said this before and will say it again. EVIL is Timeless. Timeless....for those too self content in their lifestyles and own predicaments to look around them, that means that EVIL exists, and evil does not overlook ANY ONE.

20 posted on 06/30/2010 9:12:23 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: skeeter

No, according to the article, you have a liberal congressman expounding on how dangerous it was to wash the equipment twice rather than once.

The rule was broken because it was only to be washed one time. The article says exactly that.


21 posted on 06/30/2010 9:13:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: skeeter
I don't understand your point. Did the hospital deviate from procedure, and did that result in unnecessarily exposing patients to these diseases or not?

According to the article, that is exactly what happened.

Yes, they hospital deviated from procedure. They did more than the standard required.

Dr. Gina Michael, the association chief of staff at the hospital, told the affiliate that some dental technicians broke protocol by handwashing tools before putting them in cleaning machines. The instruments were supposed to only be put in the cleaning machines, Michael said.

22 posted on 06/30/2010 9:15:38 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Scythian

People need to be banned from ever practicing medicine again. Doctors, nurses, and supervisors. Anyone found to have contributed to this issue or to have been aware of it needs to have their career ended.


23 posted on 06/30/2010 9:16:16 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: DemonDeac

Government “health care”. The problem is that the unfortunate veterans are screwed again. They can’t even sue for malpractice. nobamacare: stay healthy or die.


24 posted on 06/30/2010 9:18:31 AM PDT by hal ogen ($10 (I think) amounts through the internet from all over the world.)
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To: DemonDeac

So, you want to fire people for doubly-cleaning used dental equipment, rather than just leaving blood and plaque on the tools for just one of those cleanings?

Get your head out and read the article. The equipment was washed twice, once by hand and once in the machine. “Protocol” was to only wash once using the machine.


25 posted on 06/30/2010 9:21:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: ConservativeMind

You didn’t address my question - were people unnecessarily expose to diseases, as the letter they sent out indicates, or not?


26 posted on 06/30/2010 9:21:40 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

No, there is no proof that two cleanings was a problem

However, one cleaning was what was required and apparently nothing more, so this is an overreaction.

How many times do you need to be told?


27 posted on 06/30/2010 9:23:29 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: skeeter
According to a statement from the VA, the dental equipment was sterilized – but it was “not sterilized to the exact specifications of the manufacturers guidelines.”

Although the VA concluded that the risk of “infection was extremely low,” the agency decided it was still necessary to disclose the error to patients who were treated at the medical center during that 13-month period. They are now offering free blood tests to screen for HIV as well as hepatitis B and C.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,595625,00.html

It was washed twice, which was not protocol.

28 posted on 06/30/2010 9:27:10 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: ConservativeMind
How many times do you need to be told?

You're right - I'll just take your word for it and assume the hospital warned all those patients just for grins.

29 posted on 06/30/2010 9:36:42 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

“According to a statement from the VA, the dental equipment was sterilized – but it was “not sterilized to the exact specifications of the manufacturers guidelines.”


30 posted on 06/30/2010 9:47:06 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: JBR34

There’s a big difference between “exposed” and “infected”.


And “may have infected 1800” is ridiculous, because there is no statistical chance that all 1800 are infected, but only that each bears some small chance of being infected.

Also, the headline says “with HIV” when the article indicates several alternative diseases that don’t sound so alarming.

More lies to sell ads.


31 posted on 06/30/2010 9:47:55 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: skeeter

Perhaps dishwashing detergent residue, even a small amount, could inactivate some portion of the cleaning machine’s cycle.

Frankly, if it was “sterilized” as the VA attests it was, then it was cleaned to the point of being “sterilized.”

It’s pretty obvious it was sterilized, but with an extra step of cleaning.


32 posted on 06/30/2010 9:51:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Scythian

I worked in a VA hospital in my relative youth.

I then served in the military and left with a purple VA card. Remembering what I saw as an employee, I’ve never let them touch me. The place is rife with federal employees with a federal employee dedication to their patients.


33 posted on 06/30/2010 9:54:27 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: JBR34

There’s a big difference between “exposed” and “infected”.


And “may have infected 1800” is ridiculous, because there is no statistical chance that all 1800 are infected, but only that each bears some small chance of being infected.

Also, the headline says “with HIV” when the article indicates several alternative diseases that don’t sound so alarming.

More lies to sell ads.


34 posted on 06/30/2010 9:55:03 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: ConservativeMind
There are very specific reasons a manufacturer of medical equipment specifies how their equipment is to be used.

I do not presume to know why they make such specificaions, and would be interested to know how it is you know better than the manufacturer how their equipment should be handled.

35 posted on 06/30/2010 9:56:44 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Scythian

It’ll get better when the government takes over all our healthcare. /sarcasm


36 posted on 06/30/2010 9:57:39 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ConservativeMind

“They are now offering free blood tests to screen for HIV as well as hepatitis B and C.”

I smell set-up by way of Alarmist tactics. You know that veterans will want to be screened after hearing they may have been exposed to a life threatening disease.


37 posted on 06/30/2010 10:13:25 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: Gene Eric

Of course he is he is a Congressman. Anytime a lying RAT opens his yap to express concern about the military he is up for re-election. And some veterans are dumb enough to vote for him.

We have the stupidest electorate in the world. Only Zimbabwe might be dumber.


38 posted on 06/30/2010 10:26:37 AM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: RightOnTheBorder
Funny how I never see this happen at a privately run hospital.

Don't know if this is still true, but having worked at both VA and private hospitals in the past, this never would have been reported at a private hospital.

Unlike private hospitals, there was a protocol at the VA to protect whistle blowers. At a private hospital you would have kissed your job good bye.
39 posted on 06/30/2010 10:28:33 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Scythian
A horrible, horrible crime by the federal government.

The "care" we will all receive very soon. Congress and the Executive Branch of course made sure to legally exempt themselves from the ObamaCare nightmare.

40 posted on 06/30/2010 10:33:46 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember ("Subtlety is not going to win this fight": NJ Governor Chris Christie)
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To: Scythian
The Memphis VA is an affirmative action employer hospital where they send veterans to die from incompetent care and veterans and families risk their lives in the parking lot just to get it.
41 posted on 06/30/2010 10:37:39 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Scythian
VA hospital may not have infected 1,800 veterans with HIV

There, fixed it.

42 posted on 06/30/2010 10:59:56 AM PDT by keat
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To: Scythian

Article sounds funny. The HIV virus is pretty vulnerable and almost any cleaning would have killed it. Did the VA employees leave blood on the instruments? HIV would definitely not survive an autoclave.

There are VA patient sites where there has been talk for YEARS of vets getting HIV, Hepatitis, etc. from improperly cleaned colonoscopes.

I have my suspicions. How many of the physicians or dentists involved are muslim? The Houston VA Gastro Dept. is ALL MUSLIM as far as I have seen. I know...I know...a muslim physician going jihadi is almost unthinkable s\.

You realize that jihadi physicians could easily have killed far more wounded vets in our hospitals than we lost on the battlefield.

Where the hell is the VA Inspector General?


43 posted on 06/30/2010 11:05:59 AM PDT by darth
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To: Red Badger
OMG!.....................If true, it’s criminal negligence......................

Anymore, given this administration's evil actions, I don't even know if I believe this wasn't a deliberate act.

44 posted on 06/30/2010 11:06:28 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: Scythian

This is awful - and it’s a foretaste of ObamaCare...


45 posted on 06/30/2010 12:13:50 PM PDT by GOPJ (More people are killed every year by falling vending machines than by holders of concealed-weapons)
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To: algernonpj

“Unlike private hospitals, there was a protocol at the VA to protect whistle blowers. At a private hospital you would have kissed your job good bye.”

I see your point but I can’t believe that in today’s litigious society we wouldn’t see multiple lawsuits against a private hospital by either a wronged whistle blower or one of the infected.


46 posted on 06/30/2010 12:29:19 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: a fool in paradise

‘’Political correctness’’,,,courtesy of Maos ‘’Little red book.’’ say thanks folks.


47 posted on 06/30/2010 12:45:50 PM PDT by Waco
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To: RightOnTheBorder

On the other hand, being a governmental entity the VA is exempt from lawsuit, and its staff don’t have to care much if stupid mistakes are made.


48 posted on 06/30/2010 12:52:28 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Scythian; socialismisinsidious; ExTexasRedhead; nutmeg
They can't even run a VA hospital well, and they want SOCIALIZED MEDICINE?

Jim Rob and Mods we REALLY NEED a new forum topic for Socialized Medicine. It's going to be a very hot topic this fall, and it would be easier if it were under one Forum header topic. Can we please have one?

49 posted on 06/30/2010 6:24:44 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: skeeter

Yes, the American people will go to their graves believing in “good government” as Anne Frank did believing in the goodness of people as her captors came for her.


50 posted on 06/30/2010 9:12:04 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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