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Ban to begin on phosphate-laden dishwasher soap (WA and OR Tomorrow)
Seattle Times ^ | Today | unknown

Posted on 06/30/2010 5:11:00 PM PDT by dila813

BREMERTON, Wash. —

Washington and Oregon are banning the sale of phosphate-laden dishwasher detergent starting Thursday.

The Kitsap Sun reports that familiar brands are still available but they will have lower levels of phosphates.

Experts say phosphates promote plant growth and may degrade water quality in lakes and streams.

The ban has already been in place in Spokane and Whatcom counties in Washington state since 2008. Some shoppers in Spokane had been crossing into Idaho to buy the older soaps.

(Excerpt) Read more at o.seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: dishwasher; environuts
I got mine, do you have yours, 14 states affected.

I purchased a 2 year supplied. Don't be fooled, many stores have already changed out their stock and you still see Cascade on the shelf but with zero phosphates.

Phosphates are removed at the sewage plant and all this does is reduce the amount of Phosphates that are going into the Sewage Plant that removes it.

Phosphates is also a component of common fertilizers used on lawns, gardens, and farms.

Without Phosphates, the cleaning ability of your dishwasher will be greatly reduced. Phosphates break up food and grease from your dishes, without this; much of this must be hand scrubbed.

My Mother doesn't have the upper arm strength to do this, she is partially disabled. Plus I use this to clean my medical devices.

Food Poisoning, Restaurants with food particles on the utensils.

Save the planet, kill some people.

1 posted on 06/30/2010 5:11:08 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

By the way, this was stealth, Passed yesterday and banned two days later right before an election.

Democrats trying to sate their base.


2 posted on 06/30/2010 5:12:17 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Try Finish Glass Magic, you can order it on Amazon. I have ordered 3 cases, because I live in WA state.
I noticed that my dishes were not getting clean. I have hard water. I did a google search, and found out about this law being passed. I did another google search, and found out about this product. It has phosphates in it, and it does work.
I will just go around the law, and order on the internet or go out of state for the dishwashing products that I need.
A person wrote on the Seattle Times comments that you can use TSP (can be found at a hardware store), add one scoop to your dishwasher.


3 posted on 06/30/2010 5:31:11 PM PDT by kaila (My Hawaii birth certificate does not look like Obama's.)
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To: dila813

Go buy a couple of boxes of tri sodium phosphate (Industrial strength cleaner) and add a small amount as needed to each load of limp d**k s**t that they are selling now, works great. Been doing it a long time, Piss on every ecofreak alive, each and every one.


4 posted on 06/30/2010 5:34:17 PM PDT by mongo141
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To: kaila

I’ve seen TSP warnings that say it is toxic when ingested.

Curious though if it’s possible to buy “phosphates” and what amount to use.


5 posted on 06/30/2010 5:36:54 PM PDT by sbMKE
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To: kaila

It’s getting very difficult, if not impossible, to find real TSP (not substitute). I think at Home Depot last I checked there was still one authentic TSP product. And it would be only a very small amount — grains — that would be added.


6 posted on 06/30/2010 5:37:06 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: kaila

That is a good tip!


7 posted on 06/30/2010 5:44:32 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
Sure looks like this is the same thing... I'll have to check my garden center to read the label for any safety warnings, etc. Phosphate is readily available as an organic gardening soil amendment.

http://homeharvest.com/orgfertespoma.htm

8 posted on 06/30/2010 5:44:52 PM PDT by sbMKE
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To: sbMKE

Last time I was at the feed store, it was sold by the bag. Don’t know if it is the same type though.


9 posted on 06/30/2010 5:46:02 PM PDT by dila813
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To: sbMKE

If you go to a feed store, you should be able to get the pure stuff. Not sure if this will get the same result, but I suspect it will.


10 posted on 06/30/2010 5:47:32 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

The stuff in the pretty bag is under $1 a pound. I’d imagine phosphate goes for next to nothing out of a bulk bin or barrel.


11 posted on 06/30/2010 5:47:51 PM PDT by sbMKE
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To: sbMKE

Wonder about the warranty on the dishwasher though


12 posted on 06/30/2010 5:48:17 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080301084235AAGze9O


13 posted on 06/30/2010 5:50:38 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: Krankor

They have reduced the amount in laundry detergent a long time ago.

If you buy the really cheap Mexican Laundry Detergent, it is still at full power.


14 posted on 06/30/2010 5:52:48 PM PDT by dila813
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To: kaila

Yes, you can use TSP. But not Spic ‘n’ Span, they took the TSP out.


15 posted on 06/30/2010 5:54:09 PM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: kaila

Yes, you can use TSP. But not Spic ‘n’ Span, they took the TSP out.


16 posted on 06/30/2010 5:54:18 PM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: steve86

Maybe we can use fertilizer, if it has phosphates in it. In the dishwasher. haha.


17 posted on 06/30/2010 5:55:27 PM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: dila813

I can see organized crime in these nanny states now dealing in bootleg dishwasher detergent, high flow toilets, incandescent light bulbs and cigarettes instead of illicit drugs.


18 posted on 06/30/2010 6:20:56 PM PDT by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: The Great RJ

....and foods fried in transfats


19 posted on 06/30/2010 6:50:41 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98...PROCESS MATTERS)
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To: The Great RJ

Sounds like a good business


20 posted on 06/30/2010 7:14:55 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

I just wanted to add another thing-
Glass Magic can be spendy. The recommended amount is 4 tablespoons per dishwasher run, but I have noticed it works just as well with 2 tablespoons.


21 posted on 06/30/2010 9:40:08 PM PDT by kaila (My Hawaii birth certificate does not look like Obama's.)
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To: dila813

No phosphates, no buy!!


22 posted on 06/30/2010 9:41:58 PM PDT by dalereed (in)
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To: steve86
Don't buy the “TSP” brand, it isn't TriSodiumPhospate!

Buy the box that says TriSodiumPhospate on the label.

23 posted on 06/30/2010 9:45:22 PM PDT by dalereed (in)
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To: dalereed

Do you know the brand name or company on the box?
We need as much info as we can, living in liberal environazi land.
I live right on the Sound. The best thing the government could do is to install sewage lines to prevent runoff into the Sound. I have a septic system, and I have paid thousands of dollars into it. I would rather have a sewer line, and pay the fee, it would be cheaper in the long run.
Instead, they ban phosphates.


24 posted on 06/30/2010 9:53:37 PM PDT by kaila (My Hawaii birth certificate does not look like Obama's.)
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To: kaila

Just read the lable, the real stuff says TriSodiumPhospate in plain sight on the box.

The phony Has a big TSP for a lable on the box.


25 posted on 06/30/2010 10:05:21 PM PDT by dalereed (in)
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To: dalereed
Fleet Enema contains, mono and dibasic sodium phosphates, a couple of squirts on the dishes...sparkling clean..lol.

Kids don't try this at home, I think.

I actually use Fleet as a phosphate fertilizer in my planted fish tanks but not at lot about 1 ml every month or so, too much and it's algae city. I also run pressurized CO2 into them.

26 posted on 06/30/2010 10:29:17 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: kaila

The stuff I have is SAVOGRAN Trisodium Phosphate “All-purpose Heavy duty cleaner”.. “original deck and siding cleaner” yada, yada, yada. I use about half a teaspoon divided between the two soap cups in my cheap dishwasher plus the Cascade. Just went and bought Two 5 pound boxes at Lowes for about 20 buck’s, look in the paint dept. Piss on ALL ecofreaks and sniveling lib’s..


27 posted on 07/01/2010 6:01:37 AM PDT by mongo141
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To: dila813

Seattle and Portland have banned soap. Oh, the irony...


28 posted on 07/01/2010 6:45:44 AM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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To: dila813

"It was.....Soap Poisoning!"

29 posted on 07/01/2010 6:47:20 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mongo141

Thanks a lot for the tip!


30 posted on 07/01/2010 7:29:36 AM PDT by kaila (My Hawaii birth certificate does not look like Obama's.)
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31 posted on 07/01/2010 4:21:58 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: mongo141

Thank you- what section of Lowes is it at?


32 posted on 07/01/2010 9:12:39 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: mongo141

Never mind- paint- got it! Thanks!


33 posted on 07/01/2010 9:13:18 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: The Great RJ

I think you jest, but you’re not far off the mark. They did this on the east side of WA state quite a while back. It was also a “stealth” campaign...went in the grocery store one day and the shelves were cleared. They didn’t even have the crappy “legal” stuff to replace the good stuff because it was enacted so quickly. What? Did I wake up in Russia?

The second phase is what I tell my kids are the “unintended consequences”. We have hard water in this area, so the dishes come out cloudy and ... well.... gross. So, what do people do? Usually, one of three things: 1) Crank up the heat on their water heater to try to get the dishwasher to do a better job; 2) drive to a neighboring state to buy “real” dish detergent; 3) run the load twice.

So, have we made a net gain, environmentalists? I think not.


34 posted on 07/04/2010 9:19:38 AM PDT by Zarro (Clean out Congress)
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