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Conservatives Ponder NRA Priorities, Motives Questioned on Kagan, Reid
Fox News ^ | July 2, 2010 | Judson Berger

Posted on 07/03/2010 5:15:23 AM PDT by Zakeet

Sen. Orrin Hatch's decision to oppose Elena Kagan for a seat on the Supreme Court probably wasn't made in fear of the National Rifle Association's threat to senators that the group will take their votes on the nominee into consideration during endorsement time this election season.

Hatch already has an A+ rating from the gun group. But the moves by both parties -- Hatch's Friday announcement that he will vote "no" on Kagan and the NRA's Thursday announcement that it opposes Kagan and senators who vote for her risk their wrath -- are aimed at least in part at shoring up their conservative credentials with supporters.

For Hatch, he's already been warned that he could face the fate of fellow Utah Republican Sen. Bob Bennett, who was ousted during the state GOP's convention this spring. Hatch voted for Kagan as President Obama's solicitor general, a no-no for conservatives, but said now that the Supreme Court seat is a very different role than being the administration's top litigation attorney.

"All the evidence Senator Hatch has is that (Kagan) would allow her personal or political views drive her legal views. That is the definition of judicial activism something he has long opposed," Hatch spokeswoman Antonia Ferrier told Fox News.

Hatch may gain some credit for getting out in front on Kagan -- he's the first Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee to announce his no vote.

But the tough statement out of the nation's top gun lobby may not receive as warm a response from conservatives, who accuse the NRA of selling out, not only because of its late opposition to Kagan, but for what is perceived as its recent cozying up to Democrats on Capitol Hill.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; conservatism; guns; lobbying; nra

The reason for the NRA's cozying up to Democrats?

1 posted on 07/03/2010 5:15:25 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet
I received two NRA letters this week wanting donations. I usually donate and get them back in the mail shortly.

The two I got this week went into the circular file. The NRA had disappointed this conservative member.

2 posted on 07/03/2010 5:33:29 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: Lawgvr1955
When the NRA decided to blow the anti-2nd Amendment Dems on the “Disclosure” scam it lost generations of hard won credibility.

It may never recover and we may have to look elsewhere for an organization that defends the constitution without compromising root American principles.

3 posted on 07/03/2010 5:46:10 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Liberals frolic at ersatz enlightenment because conservatives keep the savages from the door.")
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To: Zakeet

It is Gun Owners of America for me, for now on. Not one ore $ to NRA. Traitors must not be tolerated.


4 posted on 07/03/2010 5:49:49 AM PDT by Conservative9
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To: Zakeet
A politician can play an organization for votes based on a single issue, get into power and do more damage to the organization's agenda than if he had been outright opposed to begin with.

Harry Reid talks RKBA out of one side of his mouth but he will vote for Elana Kagan out of the other.

RKBA will likely take even bigger hits in the future, because of Harry Reid and others like him.

There are no "single issues". Freedom is a package deal, you either support it or you oppose it, but you absolutely never allow government to define it!

One step ahead and two back isn't any kind of progress.

5 posted on 07/03/2010 5:54:58 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: Zakeet
The NRA selling out to Harry "Double-Dealing" Reid:


"U.S. Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. (with scissors),
and NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre (to Reid’s right)
cut the ribbon to open the Clark County Shooting Park in Nevada.
Sen. Reid played an integral part in getting the shooting range opened by securing the land and funding." nraila.org

For the price of a range, a short term pass on a 1st Amendment busting law (Disclosure) & a spotted record on the 2nd Amendment they support Reid - which effectively supports the left-wing radical agenda of laws and judges that will crush the Constitutional rights, including 2nd Amendment, of patriotic Americans.

6 posted on 07/03/2010 5:55:19 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Zakeet

You watch how fast the NRA flips on this one.


7 posted on 07/03/2010 6:03:17 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Zakeet

I hate to say it, but the only way for NRA to deal with the pantywaists and morons feeding into this crap is to lie. The stupidity in these threads is remarkable.

Want to know why politicians lie to people? It’s because they’re too stupid to listen to the truth. The N.R.A. defends gun rights. It does not exist to argue other causes in the U.S. Senate, and when those causes do not affect the NRA, it does not expend its resources on such battles.

Now here’s the moron version for those of you who are too stupid to understand that (sadly, a large number).

tHe nrA. is FigHting teh Lberals n duzznt’ like SohCialism /


8 posted on 07/03/2010 6:07:28 AM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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To: Zakeet

I will never trust any organization that would dare to endorse a single scumbag democrat...


9 posted on 07/03/2010 6:11:39 AM PDT by snuffy smiff (imagine if the GOP grew a brain-and threw all RINOs OUT! But that would also require a spine *sigh*)
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To: Zakeet

I called the NRA ILA yesterday (Friday, 7/2/2010) at 1-800-392-8683 and punched option 4 so I could speak to a person.

I told them that if they endorsed Harry Reid, I would cancel my membership, ask for a refund, and promote joining alternative organizations at my gun club (since membership in the NRA is one of the few requirements for joining.)

They didn’t say a whole lot. Pretty much, they said, “OK”. It was just some low level minion anyway, but I’d rather talk to a person and get some minimal feedback than just leave a message on their “hotline” or whatever it is they call it (Option 3). I know for sure I’m wasting my time doing that. I also filled out a comment form on their ILA web page, so they also have a written record of my comment.


10 posted on 07/03/2010 7:13:25 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: snuffy smiff
Come on now, there are some good democrats...cough ...cough...

...BUT HARRY REID!

....Why the world doesn't shun him, and he isn't beaten to a pulp every time he is seen in public by a soldier for his "This war is lost" comment is beyond me.

11 posted on 07/03/2010 7:18:39 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: Lawgvr1955

Instead of the circular file, send them back with traitor notices like we do aarp.


12 posted on 07/03/2010 7:28:08 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: sig226

“The stupidity in these threads is remarkable.”

Agreed! However, if the NRA had the power to extract exemption from DISCLOSE, they probably had the power to stop it. Bad decision leaving 1st Amendment rights in jeopardy for others. American Rifleman constantly touts 1st rights in their editorials. Also, if in fact they do endorse Harry Reid, they will indeed have a big time problem with members. Hopefully, they are just using him just like the flaming liberal Dems use Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Orrin Hatch, etc.

On the other hand, those wanting to burn NRA at the stake and believe that GOA is going to have 1/10 the clout are seriously delusional. If you are going to dump the most powerful lobby, a lobby that is largely conservative, you need to have one that will take its place. Otherwise the vacuum created will suck up your gun rights.


13 posted on 07/03/2010 7:58:21 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: Zakeet

I’m always amazed at how some conservatives never seem to get the fact that the “R” in NRA stands for “Rifle”, not “Republican”. If you want an organization that will sell out gun owners to benefit the GOP, then try GOA. They seem happy to put Party first.


14 posted on 07/03/2010 7:59:00 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: secondamendmentkid
GOA is going to have 1/10 the clout are seriously delusional.

GOA testified against Kagen this week. Has the NRA?

15 posted on 07/03/2010 8:55:41 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh
From http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/02/conservatives-ponder-nra-priorities-motives-questioned-kagan-reid/?test=latestnews :

"RedState.com blogger Erick Erickson, a GOA member, continued his tear against the gun group, reporting that the NRA had imposed a gag order on board members to keep them from testifying against Kagan during the confirmation hearing."

If true, the NRA is toast.

16 posted on 07/03/2010 8:58:57 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

The NRA has also supported amnesty in the past. Grover Norquist, who was on their board was Bush’s amnesty author.


17 posted on 07/03/2010 9:03:06 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: sig226

I get it that the NRA is a single issue organization. But when all our other rights are gone, will we still have that one? I doubt it. They should be weighing in for FREEDOM & should never let a narrow view force them into compromising with the enemy. My sweetie joined the NRA last year, but he’s not likely to renew at this point.


18 posted on 07/03/2010 9:16:05 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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For all of you who are here defending the NRA please note that, for years, they have been using funds raised from members/supporters to fund anti-Americans like Harry Reid and John Murtha.

As an Endowment Life Member, I resent a single penny of my money going to fund Harry Reid - for ANY reason. There are definitely some supporters of the 2nd Amendment who are Rats, however, they negate that stance with their choices of shredding the rest of the constitution. Therefore, my conclusion is that the NRA has the fleas and disease that come from sleeping with the rats........

19 posted on 07/03/2010 9:17:19 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Zakeet
Well, I have to say: I would TRADE an NRA endorsement of Harry Reid...if, and only IF Harry Reid votes "no" on Kagan.

Especially if he can bring 3-4 other dims with him to counter balance Susan Collins et al.

I don't THINK an NRA endorsement will make the difference in Nevada, but even if it did: Sending this nominee packing and forcing Obama to send another AFTER the mid-terms would be to our very great advantage.

Another Ginsberg or another Kennedy? How big is THAT!?!?!?!?!

20 posted on 07/03/2010 9:55:16 AM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, Uss Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Happy Rain

“we may have to look elsewhere for an organization that defends the constitution without compromising root American principles.”

These folks might be worth a look. (I’m not a member yet.)

http://www.jpfo.org/index.htm


21 posted on 07/03/2010 10:33:55 AM PDT by matthew fuller (2012: Bachman, Bolton, Brewer, Liz Cheney, Coburn, DeMint, Inhofe, Jindal, Palin and Pence.)
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To: drpix

Kagan needs to be an NRA scored vote.

They need to withdraw the REid endorsement if he votes for Kagan.


22 posted on 07/03/2010 11:44:25 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Twotone

And guys, hate to say it, but everyone needs to remember the saying about military operations. “Amateurs study tactics,, professionals study logistics”. And in truth,,, nobody loses the logistics war, and then wins the real one.

That applies here big time. If they can destroy the 1st amendment, and the internet,, as they fully intend to do,,, guns are pretty much rendered useless. They can then mop us up a few at a time, in a million ways.

The first amendment allows organization, communication, and effective resistance. It’s extrememly amateurish of the NRA to think they are protecting the 2nd amendment, by being a sellout on the 1st,,,and by supporting the revolutionary democratic party.


23 posted on 07/03/2010 12:50:45 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: sig226
The problem with the NRA is it is too gawdamn stupid to know it is making deals with politicians fanatically determined to DESTROY the 2nd Amendment!!!!

STUPID does not attrack support from supporters friend.

24 posted on 07/03/2010 1:19:53 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Liberals frolic at ersatz enlightenment because conservatives keep the savages from the door.")
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To: Happy Rain

Kindly list your experience lobbying in Washington D.C. and in the various capitols of all 57 states. I would like to compare your accomplishments to NRA so that I can decide whose strategy is more likely to succeed.


25 posted on 07/03/2010 5:03:05 PM PDT by sig226
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To: secondamendmentkid

NRA didn’t “extract” exemption from DISCLOSE. The dems did that on their own.


26 posted on 07/03/2010 5:13:17 PM PDT by sig226
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To: catnipman

The NRA won’t give you a refund.


27 posted on 07/03/2010 5:41:45 PM PDT by formerliberal_nowconservative
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To: aimhigh

“GOA testified against Kagen this week. Has the NRA?”

NRA will not suppprt Kagan. That got more press than GOA. NRA is just one of many 2nd supporters: GOA, SAF, SAS, numerous websites, etc. Support who you want, hold NRAs feet to the fire, send them emails, etc., but you’ve got to admit, they have more influence than all the rest of those organizations combined.

I’m not an NRA bot, just stating the facts. United we stand, divided we fall. Without the NRA, 21nd amendment defense is weaker. The libtards would like nothing better than for NRA to lose influence. Flying off the handle will make you feel better. It will also make Daley, Schumer, Bloomberg, Obama, et al feel better too.


28 posted on 07/03/2010 6:38:26 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Harry Reid talks RKBA out of one side of his mouth but he will vote for Elana Kagan out of the other.

RKBA will likely take even bigger hits in the future, because of Harry Reid and others like him.

There are no "single issues". Freedom is a package deal, you either support it or you oppose it, but you absolutely never allow government to define it!

You nailed it there. With so many of the RKBA cases in the courts the NRA needs to seriously reconsider its rating system for politicians to include their votes for judges. Someone like Reid who mouths support for the 2A in the Senate but then votes for anti-RKBA jurist like Kagan or Sotomayor does not deserve an endorsement.

29 posted on 07/04/2010 10:08:34 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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To: sig226
So once the rest of the Constitution is in shreds, they`ll still respect the 2nd Amendment, is THAT your argument? And you call us stupid! Oh thats right, once they decide to come for your guns, thats when you and the NRA will resist, you`ll start the second civil war. My god, you`re really calling US the stupid ones? Oh well, maybe you`ll enjoy that CBU they`ll target on you.
30 posted on 07/04/2010 8:28:28 PM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

NRA didn’t ask for this, the democrats cooked it up to make stupid people soil themselves and hold their breath until they turn blue. You haven’t turned blue yet, so make sure that you show all those nasty conservatives by refusing to vote in the next election. That’ll show ‘em.


31 posted on 07/05/2010 4:43:08 AM PDT by sig226
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To: Zakeet

The NRA has gone the way of the GOP in my political life. They no longer have credibility, and no longer my membership.


32 posted on 07/05/2010 7:24:21 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: Zakeet

there are alternatives:

National Association for Gun Rights http://www.nationalgunrights.org/

Gun Owners of America http://gunowners.org/


33 posted on 07/05/2010 7:24:21 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: Happy Rain

I agree.


34 posted on 07/05/2010 8:52:21 AM PDT by beefree
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To: Zakeet; All

AND FOR ALL YOU IGNORANT ANTIGUN NRA HATING IDIOTS:

1. The NRA didn’t become a lobbying group until 1974.

2. While whiners complain about mail, guys like me get out the checkbook.

3. The NRA fought against Parker, not Heller. That’s because Parker was filed before Roberts and Alito. We would have lost. The NRA knows how to count to the number nine.

4. The goa has never done a single thing in it’s entire history. It’s the NRA and the SAF that filed all those lawsuits.

5. The “R” in the NRA stands for rifle. Not Republican. Get rid of Reid AFTER taking control of Congress or you’ll be whining about gun control and pleading for the NRA again. As always.

6. The antigunners hate the NRA just as much as some freepers. That explains the mentality of some freepers.

7. The media doesn’t know the name of any progun group other than the NRA. That should tell you something but you’re too stupid to understand.

8. The goa is the only gun group that asked the Supreme Court to take the narrow view. So far, they haven’t filed a single lawsuit to take responsibility for their actions. It’s the NRA and the SAF that filed all those lawsuits.

9. Lazy, stupid people always have an excuse not to get involved.

Tell me a single thing the goa has ever done on their own.

McDonald vs. Chicago. Nope, SAF.

Katrina victims? Nope, NRA.

Winnetka Lawsuits? Nope, SAF and NRA

Morton Grove Lawsuit? Nope, NRA.

San Francisco? Nope, NRA

Evanston? Nope, NRA and SAF

Parker? Nope, Robert Levy and it’s a good thing the case became Heller with Roberts and Alito or we would have lost. That’s why the NRA tried to stop it.

Heller? Nope, Levy again.

United Nations attacks? Nope, NRA as a Non Government Organization.

Free legal support for their members? Nope, NRA.

Even Basil’s Second Amendment Sisters give women’s classes

JPFO? They aren’t even a lobbying group.

Who does the leftist media fear? I’ll give you a hint, the initials are NRA.

NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THE goa HAS EVER DONE ON THEIR OWN IN THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY. NO ONE.


35 posted on 07/05/2010 11:12:31 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Shooter, if this country is overrun by tens of millions of socialist, ignorant 3rd worlders with amnesty, it won’t matter what ‘good’ the NRA has done. And YES, the NRA has always been a booster of Amnesty! Check Grover Norquist, Muslim convert, an NRA board member....the author of Bush’s amnesty.

If we take our eye off these ‘non profits’, they will turn on us EVERY time. They’re all in the game for their own selfish interests, often NOT the interests of you or this country.


36 posted on 07/05/2010 11:20:43 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Touche’


37 posted on 07/05/2010 6:42:10 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Liberals frolic at ersatz enlightenment because conservatives keep the savages from the door.")
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To: sig226

No,I vote conservative,not leftists and leftist wanna be`s.


38 posted on 07/05/2010 7:17:58 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Shooter 2.5

A recent e-mail exchange between the NRA and myself regarding a possible endorsement of Harry Reid.
The NRA basically says that because Reid votes with them on the most gun rights issues, that they are going to back him, regardless of how he votes on other issues (voting to confirm Gun Banning zealots like Holder as AG or Supreme Court Nominees like Sotomeyer and Kagan) that directly effect gun owners and gun rights.
The NRA either fails to grasp or doesn’t care that a Supreme Court ruling can overturn all the “good deals” Harry Reid has done for them.

From: ILA-Contact@nrahq.org
To: ijrazz@______.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:42:43 -0400
Subject: RE: ILA Contact - Candidate grade or endorsement

Dear Mr. R_____,

Thank you for contacting NRA-ILA regarding the recent reports that the NRA-Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) has endorsed U.S. Senator Harry Reid for reelection.

NRA has not released ratings or endorsements in this race. Ratings and endorsements will be decided closer to the election. You can find our most recent ratings and endorsements at www.nrapvf.org.

In 2004, Senator Reid’s last election, the NRA-PVF gave him a “B” rating: www.nrapvf.org/ELECTIONS/State.aspx?y=2004&State=NV

NRA-PVF has not contributed to Sen. Reid for reelection in this election cycle. However, as Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Reid has proven himself to be a supporter of our Second Amendment rights.

Early last year, Sen. Reid flatly stated that he would oppose any effort to reinstate an “assault weapons” ban if the Senate were to vote on it in the future. And Sen. Reid was instrumental in Senate passage (and eventual enactment into law) of the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act” (PLCAA), which shut down reckless lawsuits against gun manufacturers and dealers, that attempted to hold them liable for the misuse of firearms by criminals. Sen. Reid also cosponsored S. 659 (PLCCA) in the 108th Congress and voted against “poison pill” amendments to it, including the Feinstein Amendment to ban so-called “assault weapons”, and the Kennedy Amendment that would have banned most hunting ammunition.

Sen. Reid voted for legislation that became law in 2006, to prohibit gun confiscation during states of emergency. He also voted for legislation to allow commercial airline pilots to be armed in the cockpit to protect their passengers and crew. In this congressional session, Sen. Reid voted for the Ensign Amendment to repeal the Washington D.C. gun ban and restore self-defense rights in our nation’s capital. He cosponsored similar legislation—S. 1414—in the 108th Congress. He also voted for an amendment to allow law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for self-defense in national parks and wildlife refuges. This federal policy change just took effect on February 22. In addition, Sen. Reid voted last year for the Thune-Vitter Amendment to provide national reciprocity for state Right-to-Carry permits. Sen. Reid also voted twice for the Wicker Amendment allowing Amtrak passengers to include firearms in their checked luggage. A vote on all of these amendments was made possible procedurally by Harry Reid in his capacity as Senate Majority Leader. Finally, Sen. Reid was among the 58 Senators who signed the pro-gun congressional amicus brief in the McDonald v. Chicago case, just argued before the U.S. Supreme Court on March 2, to decide whether the Second Amendment applies to states and localities.

Thank you for contacting us and please keep an eye out for our grades and endorsements as the election nears.

Best regards,

Miranda Bond
NRA-ILA Grassroots Division
www.nraila.org

-——Original Message-——
From: ijrazz@______.com [mailto:ijrazz@______.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:21 PM
To: ILA-Contact
Subject: ILA Contact - Candidate grade or endorsement

Contact Information

First Name: I____
Last Name: R______
Address: ___________
City: ______
State: __
Zip: _____
Phone: ____________
Fax:
Membership Number: Former NRA Member and Former Resident of NV
Email: ijrazz@_____.com

comments:

It is my understanding that the NRA intends to endorse Sen. Harry Reid (D) in the Nevada general election for the US Senate.
Is this true? If so why?
Harry Reid may vote in favor of the occasional gun rights bill, but his overall record voting, such as his votes to confirm Eric Holder as the AG and to confirm Sonia Sotomayor to the USSC are votes for gun control. By voting to install two gun control zealots, one as the chief law enforcement officer of the US and the other to a lifetime position on the Supreme Court, Harry Reid has shown his true colors, he has no regard for the US Constitution nor the 2nd Amendment.

I urge the ILA to rethink its endorsement of Harry Reid.

If the NRA decides to endose Harry Reid, I will not support an NRA endorsed canidate.

I have already decided to support Sharron Angle (R) in her bid for the Nevada Senate seat currently held by Harry Reid.

I have not decided on whether to renew my membership in the NRA, your endorsement of Harry Reid, a liberal progressive Democrat over a Conservative Republican challenger is troubling.
I understand the NRA is a single-issue (gun rights) organization but before your endorse someone you should review their entire voting record.


39 posted on 07/07/2010 1:31:31 PM PDT by ijrazz
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