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What happened to studying?
Boston Globe ^ | July 4, 2010 | Keith O'Brien

Posted on 07/04/2010 12:00:53 PM PDT by billorites

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To: Frank_2001
If they had to worry about actually flunking out of college, they’d study harder!

In my classes, we use the old saw, "You don't have to be faster than the fastest lion. You just have to be faster than the slowest antelope." In classes where I allow slower antelopes to hang around, the top students still perform, but the average students pace themselves just ahead of the bad students. When I cut the bad students, the mid-range student performance improves.

Expect this to pick up. Many states are changing their funding formulas for state colleges to "completers" rather than funding based on people attempting classes. This will create significantly more pressure on teachers to pass students.

There's already a lot of pressure in this direction. If a low performer is a "protected class" flunking them can put an instructor in a Dean or Vice President's office explaining themselves. Additionally, sites like Rate My Professor grade instructors, and give advice on which instructor to take. If an instructor has fifteen openings in each of his course sections while other instructors have all their sections filled, they will end up with problems from the administration.

21 posted on 07/04/2010 12:25:57 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Frank_2001
Unfortunately, I am living proof that you are wrong...

I DID flunk out of college - went into the military, then returned to school and 4.0'd - it's more a maturity thing than anything else - I wasn't "ready" for college on the intellectual side. I did however (regrettably) EXCEL at the social side of college.

22 posted on 07/04/2010 12:36:14 PM PDT by NorCoGOP (If OBAMA is the ANSWER, how STUPID was the QUESTION?)
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To: Age of Reason

College is like a game. Also some professors and teachers are just horrible at teaching as well. Learning should also be a joy as well as a discipline but some of these universities chew up the students and take their money.
Of course if the student like to party too much and is slack with studying they are mostly to blame. For those going to school fulltime and working a job with too many hours then studying time will suffer.


23 posted on 07/04/2010 12:40:13 PM PDT by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: tflabo

I remember back when I was in college, I would attend the first lecture to get the syllabus, and to see if the exams were going to be taken entirely from the book. If so, the only other times you’d see me in the class was for the exams.


24 posted on 07/04/2010 12:43:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Big difference between love of learning and finding school boring. I love to learn and many things I teach myself I will never have a degree for. The problem is that many times textbooks and many teachers squeeze all the life out of learning. My best friend was reading a history book to me for her class and it was one of the most boring texts of all time. (my favorite subject) History is supposed to be something that was lived. Stories of the past. The way this book is written it would be a wonder anyone was awake to be part of history if it was as boring as written.


25 posted on 07/04/2010 12:47:50 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: vladimir998
"It’s true. Students are not studying nearly as much as they once used to."

That's pretty sad. 1965-67 my wife's first (and only) husband tried not studying while at Georgia Tech. It worked OK until about 5th quarter calculus... He could not work the math fast enough to finish his physics exams in the allotted time.

He quickly learned that National Merit Finalist, Honor Society in high school and 1416 SAT really don't cut it by themselves unless you STUDY!

13 years, a wife and 3 kids later, he did study while working & going to school for his Airframe & Powerplant mechanics license. Hindsight - 20/20!

26 posted on 07/04/2010 12:49:52 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "Hapana Obama")
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To: HungarianGypsy

Agree with you 100% re History. Good authors make it come alive and make it relevant. Being an adult and having adult frames of reference and experiences help enormously too.


27 posted on 07/04/2010 1:00:19 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: billorites

Well why study? After all, if you know how to put a condom on a cucumber, realize that republicans are bad, democrats good, understand that the United States is an evil country, believe that Islam is the “religion of peace” and know the way to your local welfare office, you’ve mastered the sum total of everything taught in today’s union run school system. In short, you’re ready to become the ideal government dependent and democrat voter.


28 posted on 07/04/2010 1:02:15 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: billorites

Well why study? After all, if you know how to put a condom on a cucumber, realize that republicans are bad, democrats good, understand that the United States is an evil country, believe that Islam is the “religion of peace” and know the way to your local welfare office, you’ve mastered the sum total of everything taught in today’s union run school system. In short, you’re ready to become the ideal government dependent and democrat voter.


29 posted on 07/04/2010 1:02:35 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: billorites
They come with polished resumes and perfect SAT scores.

...but get turned away to make room for the poor, oppressed, disadvantaged minorities who need remedial everything just to find their subsidized dorm rooms.

30 posted on 07/04/2010 1:12:00 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: benewton

Yep. There is a huge difference between finding an answer and truly understanding why its the answer. Schools may be passing on information but are failing to teach one how to think.

I am finding it difficult to find competent young folk in my industry who exhibit good judgement, but will definitely argue that they are following instructions.


31 posted on 07/04/2010 1:22:15 PM PDT by PuzzledInTX
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To: Don Corleone; billorites
...but get turned away to make room for the poor, oppressed, disadvantaged minorities who need remedial everything just to find their subsidized dorm rooms.

Read Victor Davis Hanson:

On the matter of racial profiling: No one wishes to harass citizens by race or gender, but, again unfortunately, we already profile constantly. When I had top classics students, I quite bluntly explained to graduating seniors that those who were Mexican-American and African-American had very good chances of entering Ivy League or other top graduate schools from Fresno, those who were women and Asians so-so chances, and those who were white males with CSUF B.A.s very little chance, despite straight A's and top GRE scores. The students themselves knew all that better than I — and, except the latter category, had packaged and self-profiled themselves for years in applying for grants, admissions, fellowships, and awards. I can remember being told by a dean in 1989 exactly the gender and racial profile of the person I was to hire before the search had even started, and not even to "waste my time" by interviewing a white male candidate. Again, the modern university works on the principle that faculty, staff, and students are constantly identified by racial and gender status. These were not minor matters, but questions that affected hundreds of lives for many decades to come. (As a postscript I can also remember calling frantically to an Ivy League chair to explain that our top student that he had accepted had just confessed to me that in fact he was an illegal alien, and remember him "being delighted" at the news, as if it were an added bonus.)

NO cheers, unfortunately.

32 posted on 07/04/2010 1:25:01 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Don Corleone
I studied my butt off in college forty years ago and ended up with A's in my major but got my share of B's in must-take courses like art history and astronomy. No grade inflation back then. I often wondered if there was prejudice against giving A's to students in those topics where it wasn't your major.
33 posted on 07/04/2010 1:26:29 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: GeronL

When I was teaching HS (and I stopped 6 years ago) the kids thought it was MY job to prepare them for tests, not their job to take the material I had given them and study. In other words, they expected to be spoon fed everything. I suspect that has only gotten worse.


34 posted on 07/04/2010 1:43:29 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Age of Reason

Oh, exactly. Everything is supposed to entertain us, night and day. Sheesh.


35 posted on 07/04/2010 1:45:52 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Richard Kimball

What will happen to the collegiate sports heroes who are dumber than a bag of rocks and cannot learn at the college level?


36 posted on 07/04/2010 1:46:27 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Remember, guys, the enemy is to the left.)
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To: billorites
The decline in studying hours began in the 60's, which of course were the days when grade inflation accelerated to the point that no one flunked anything--motivated by feckless faculty who shied away from confrontations, and a desire of anti-war faculty to protect students from flunking out and becoming draftable during VietNam.

The second great elephant in the faculty lounge which was ignored by this half-assed piece, is massive waves of cheating. Surveys reveal that large proportions of students readily admit to cheating.

Why labor away at writing a paper when you can go to termpapers.com/ and buy one. Or sit in class during exams and have your buddy text you the answers from the next row over.

Faculty members are well aware of this epidemic but attempts to police it are time-intensive, risky, and entail major hassles. Furthermore, they cannot count on being backed up by their Dean or Department Chair, especially if the perp is a privileged minority.

Funny that the Globe would miss these two major factors, especially given their proximity to so many well-known diploma mills.

37 posted on 07/04/2010 1:46:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: GeronL

i don’tmind those fools going to college, i would just like to not have to pay for it.
eliminate student loans and that would be a huge step in the right direction.


38 posted on 07/04/2010 1:48:33 PM PDT by genghis
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To: NorCoGOP

I do agree that lots of kids are not ready straight out of HS. I wasn’t. I went one year, did pass, but didn’t do that well (had a lot of fun). Got married, had 3 kids, went back and graduated with honors. Amazing what a few years difference made.


39 posted on 07/04/2010 1:49:45 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: billorites

They’ve dumbed down the classes.

Make the classes challenging, some will study, the rest will fail. Once properly sorted, the college education will once again be a useful tool for employers looking for sharp, motivated applicants.


40 posted on 07/04/2010 1:51:48 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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