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Rethinking the Declaration of Independence
Townhall.com ^ | July 4, 2010 | Brion McClanahan

Posted on 07/04/2010 12:53:53 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Tailgunner Joe

“The federal government was designed to be weak with regard to domestic affairs only to protect the powers of each separate state from federal interference. Laws against dangerous drugs, gambling and prostitution are and should be enforced by the states, unless they are matter of national security. Illegal trafficking of drugs and prostitutes into the country are issues of national security.”

The prosecution rests.


21 posted on 07/05/2010 8:37:40 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: NTHockey

Good catch!!!


22 posted on 07/05/2010 8:39:45 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc

The civil war was the appeal and the federal government won. (cert denied)


23 posted on 07/05/2010 8:41:57 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Not necessarily so.


24 posted on 07/05/2010 8:51:48 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc
I thank God our founders wrote the Constitution and included the tenth amendment reserving to the states or the people the powers not granted to the federal government. You may not support the Constitution and the tenth amendment, but I do. You may not want the American people to have the power to outlaw narco-terror, racketeering and whoredom, but I do.
25 posted on 07/05/2010 1:22:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

You seem to be suffering from the same delusion that troubles most on the Left: that if only you have enough votes, you can do whatever you like.

That is something the Founders were dead set against. I quote:

“...[T]hat to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...”

Now, just exactly where do you see ANY authority granted to any level of government to outlaw any form of adult behavior? Hint: there isn’t because there cannot be. Why, you ask? Read the last four words of the quote above. As most Americans are grown, and as children are responsible to their own parents and NOT to the likes of you, there is no possible way you can “consent” to make criminals of others based on YOUR tastes and desires. You can consent to have done in your name and on your behalf ONLY that which you, as an individual, may properly do FOR YOURSELF. Only behavior that involves the INVOLUNTARY participation of others, such as robbery, rape, murder, et cetera, may be outlawed, because such fits under the category of self-defense were it attempted on us and we can properly hire others to protect us from it. Similarly, we can demand that our borders be respected and protected because we have the right to similarly protect our homes and families. We can even (locally) require certain standards in PUBLIC behaviors and set times and places where weapons may be discharged in non-emergency situations, but that’s about the extent of it.

What YOU want is not one whit different than what a Diane Fine-Swine or Obambi wants: total control over the lives of others. Which ain’t gonna happen on MY watch.

Now, if you see someone engaging in “sinful” (but not criminal) behavior and you want to PERSUADE him of the error of his ways, fine, I’m there for ya! But for you to try to use the force of government to enforce YOUR tastes and values? No possible way.


26 posted on 07/05/2010 5:42:56 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc
Pardon me for intruding, but I think you might be interested in this. Tailgunner Joe is not interested in freedom as the founders of this country and you mean it. He despises individual liberty. When he uses the word "freedom," though he does not have the courage nor is honest enough to say so, he means only freedom to worship as a Roman Catholic. He is part of a growing movement that wants nothing less than to re-establish the Holy Roman Empire, placing everyone under the thumb of Rome.

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution, on one of the pages he links to:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.]

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism." That is Tailgunner Joe's idea of freedom.

There is much more of this, but I'll spare you. There are links to more of this on Tailgunner Joe's profile page.

This would be frightening if there were any chance of it happening. It won't, because those caught up in this are just as superstitiously ignorant as the Muslims. What kind of people think the only hope for America is Fatima. Good grief!

Hank

27 posted on 07/07/2010 6:27:48 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief; Tailgunner Joe

Thanks, Hank. I guess that makes Joe kissing kin to the Talibunnies. How quaint!


28 posted on 07/07/2010 7:35:06 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc

“I guess that makes Joe kissing kin to the Talibunnies. How quaint!”

Ironic, isn’t it. There is just no end of people who want to “rule the world,” and just know if they did it would be paradise—when what it would be is hell.

Hank


29 posted on 07/07/2010 7:48:03 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Hank Kerchief

Joe, care to comment? I’ve looked at your page and your links and Hank seems to have the right of it.

I wonder just where you got the notion that God needs YOUR help to establish His Kingdom here on earth? What Scripture can you cite as that authority? ‘Cause the best I can find is where Jesus tells the believers to go and be WITNESSES to the world, showing them a much better way to live and to die: as the saved ELECT, who will then live with Him on high. Can’t find word ONE where He wants someone to establish a theocracy in His Name. Can you point it out to us?

My understanding is that Salvation is pretty much an individual, voluntary thing... though the Roman Catholic Church HAS done some pretty ugly things in the past. Things which, viewed through the lens of the Bible, would appear to be totally CONTRARY to the letter and SPIRIT of His Message. How do you reconcile that past behavior and your current beliefs with the clear meaning of the Bible?


30 posted on 07/07/2010 10:48:31 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc

Well, I waited, but I’m not surprised you haven’t heard from Joe. You won’t. He has no interest is rational discourse, but at least you know what he is up to—and he’s not the only one on FR.

Thanks for pinging me to this.

All my best,

Hank


31 posted on 07/08/2010 6:41:38 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief

You’re most welcome... And, no, I didn’t REALLY expect to hear back from Joe...


32 posted on 07/08/2010 7:38:22 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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