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Outcry over program of euthanizing Canada geese
New Hampshire Union Leader ^ | Saturday, Jul. 3, 2010 | PAULA TRACY

Posted on 07/04/2010 4:46:21 PM PDT by Willie Green

BRADFORD – Readers at UnionLeader.com expressed outrage yesterday that the federal government had rounded up and euthanized 21 Canada geese on Lake Todd on June 23, in a response to at least two property owners' concerns.

For seven years, the geese -- considered the largest, most common water birds -- have been fouling lawns and beaches along the 50-acre pond, which straddles the Bradford and Newbury town line.

Federal officials said two property owners paid for the round up, gassing and killing of the now-flightless geese and their goslings.

Their bodies were frozen and will be chopped up and fed to captive animals, said Carol Bannerman, public affairs specialist for wildlife services for the U.S. Department of Agriculture Wildlife Services in Riverdale, Md.

USDA follows guidelines established by the American Veterinary Medical Association on euthanasia of these birds when they are considered a nuisance, she said. Complaints about Canada geese are on the rise in New Hampshire with the resident population now at more than 30,000. The state has a goal, set by the Atlantic Flyway Council, of 16,000 for the goose population.

Last year, about 43 geese were euthanized in the state at three different locations, up from the year before when there were no euthanizations.

►Decision to euthanize NH geese creates flap (115)

Dick Wright of Newbury, who lives near the lake, wrote letters to the editor of New Hampshire newspapers last week decrying the practice. He said the problem is property owners who create large lawns and fake beaches, which attract the birds to stay.

Bannerman did not disagree that the geese like to eat lawns and stay on them to keep their eye out for predators.

Jared Teutsch, president of the NH Lakes Association, said conflict between the Canada geese and lakefront property owners is on the increase across the state.

He said native shores of brush are in some cases being replaced by lawns and man-made beaches. That is a welcome mat for migratory geese to settle down and nest. Once born here, they return and bear their own young and have lifespans of up to 25 years.

Teutsch said in the state "There has been a lack of emphasis on shrubbing your shore." He noted the revised 2009 Comprehensive Shoreland Protection Act law allows for landowners who insist on such green sloping views of their expensive shorefront to have that, as long as they plant trees.

At www.UnionLeader.com, more than 100 people had posted comments on the story by midnight. The majority were opposed to the practice of eliminating the geese in this way.

Others, however, said Canada geese are becoming a problem and some solution is needed.

One reader argued that if the government were to eliminate the birds, property owners "should be required to alter their property," to discourage more birds from replacing the ones euthanized.

Many wanted the names of the property owners exposed. The government declined to identify them.

Some suggested dogs such as border collies could be employed to keep geese off personal property.

Others suggested an extension to the state's three-week long resident Canada goose hunting season, but others, such as Michael King, lamented that there are not enough hunters to do the job.

Hope Ullman of Wolfeboro said the story disgusted her and said the use of the word "euthanize" was a misnomer.

"It's murder," she said.

Jeb Harkins of Hancock sympathized with the situation and noted that he finds himself having to be careful to not step in Canada goose feces and that they have been a problem on golf courses for years.

A Canada goose can eliminate between a half pound and a pound of feces a day.

Some suggested the government might spend less and be more humane by considering relocation of the birds.

While most of the Canada geese are non-residents, resident populations have quadrupled between 1990 and 2008 along the Atlantic Flyway, according to federal estimates.

Since 1993 complaints have increased three-fold, according to a federal Environmental Impact Statement issued in 2002.

New Hampshire's resident Canada goose hunting season is Sept. 8-25 with a daily bag limit of five and a possession limit of 10. The season ends before non-resident Canada geese begin their migratory flight.

Some suggested an extension of the season and an increase in the bag limit.


TOPICS: Government; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: canada; canadageese; euthanizing; geese; goose; outcry; program
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1 posted on 07/04/2010 4:46:26 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

Can they come and do the same thing to the squirrel population in my backyard? I’d love to see them gassed and chopped up so I can actually eat my own fruit and vegetables.


2 posted on 07/04/2010 4:50:02 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Willie Green

they are like flying rats all over long island.

I say round them up when they moult and butcher them for the ‘poor’ instead of giving the poor food stamps...


3 posted on 07/04/2010 4:50:33 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Willie Green
Federal officials said two property owners paid for the round up, gassing and killing of the now-flightless geese and their goslings.

Dumbasses! One hunter and a 12 ga. would have taken care of the problem.

They're going to have the same problem next year and the year after that until geese are allowed to be hunted in heretofore restricted communities..........

4 posted on 07/04/2010 4:51:07 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Can they come and do the same thing to the squirrel population in my backyard? I’d love to see them gassed and chopped up so I can actually eat my own fruit and vegetables.

you need a pellet gun or a .22 rimfire with some quiet CB caps. then make a squirrel stew and include your vegetables

5 posted on 07/04/2010 4:53:17 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Willie Green

What that area needs is comprehensive goose migration reform; perhaps a path to citizenship for the geese who are already there, and a fence along the border to keep more canadians from migrating there...


6 posted on 07/04/2010 4:55:16 PM PDT by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)
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To: Willie Green
euthenizing. That means "killing," right?

Why don't they just say that?

7 posted on 07/04/2010 4:55:40 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I don't speak starbucks.)
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To: Vaquero

You’ve got that right, a .22 LR fits the bill.

Still, you have to practice with the AR, and most of us aren’t likely to cook them, so, earmuffs on and have at it!


8 posted on 07/04/2010 4:55:48 PM PDT by benewton
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To: Willie Green

Tipical liberals. Always sticking up for illegal aliens.


9 posted on 07/04/2010 4:57:39 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Willie Green

A few pair of swans for the lake make a beautiful sight, don’t tear of up lawns and make a mess, but keep the geese away!


10 posted on 07/04/2010 4:58:21 PM PDT by myrabach
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To: Willie Green

I have no problem killing the pesky geese. I saw a tv program recently about springer spaniels who are trained to chase Canada geese to keep this very thing from happening. Our springer would have a field day running around chasing birds — and give a good show, too.


11 posted on 07/04/2010 5:00:00 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: Willie Green

Euthanizing humans...A-OK....Euthanizing Geese....NOT-OK


12 posted on 07/04/2010 5:01:04 PM PDT by goodnesswins (DEMOCRATS LOSE.....America WINS!)
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To: Willie Green
Canada Geese can be mean as hell. Years ago, my wife and her friend were at a pond with several of our kids. There were hundreds (wife estimate, not mine) of geese. The kids were eating graham crackers and the geese decided they wanted crackers as well. The kids screamed as the Geese got aggressive. Sadly for the geese, my wife also had our 200lb mastiff with her. And, upon the shrieks of terror from the children, coupled with the scene of pandemonium of the marauding geese, Maxwell decided to take matters into his own hands, or jaws more precisely.

Moments later after the feathers settled, what could be seen were 13 dead geese, blood everywhere, an out of breath dog, and three toddlers who needed therapy. My wife said it was like seen out of Apocalypse Now.

13 posted on 07/04/2010 5:02:17 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Great story, that makes my day. I’ve hated those evil birds for thirty years or ever how long they’ve been protected. When they cross the street and expect traffic to sit still, I’ve seen a couple of truckers make haste and mash ‘em. I poke ‘em along as to get through but I’ll be damned getting into an accident to avoid hitting one.


14 posted on 07/04/2010 5:05:52 PM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: Willie Green

“Outcry over program of euthanizing Canada geese”

Well they are too difficult to eat when they are still running around.


15 posted on 07/04/2010 5:06:20 PM PDT by Grunthor (I like you but when the zombies chase us, I'm tripping you.)
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To: Willie Green
Western civilization now insists on murdering the successful, feeding the failures, and putting humans in second place to bugs, fish, and flowers.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

16 posted on 07/04/2010 5:07:09 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: OldDeckHand

There’s a Beatles’ Maxwell’s Silver Hammer joke in there somewhere...


17 posted on 07/04/2010 5:08:45 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: OldDeckHand

“Moments later after the feathers settled, what could be seen were 13 dead geese, blood everywhere, an out of breath (and very happy) dog,”


18 posted on 07/04/2010 5:09:03 PM PDT by Grunthor (I like you but when the zombies chase us, I'm tripping you.)
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To: Vaquero
they are like flying rats all over long island.

Same problem in Virginia. I hate the damn things, they crap everywhere and are impossible to get rid of.

19 posted on 07/04/2010 5:14:31 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Willie Green

I just read this story to my Jack Russel Terriers. They are all pumped and want to sign up for goose duty.


20 posted on 07/04/2010 5:24:32 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Willie Green

Open season in the South in the summer, and open season in the North in the winter — problem solved.

These birds are supposed to migrate.


21 posted on 07/04/2010 5:24:38 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Willie Green

Shoot ‘em. Eat ‘em.


22 posted on 07/04/2010 5:27:44 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If I were a female diplodocus, I would lay eggs.)
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To: Vaquero
A Sheridan will do wonders. Don`t know if they still make them though but mine will still punch thru a pine board at a couple of feet and with a scope they are freakishly accurate for an air powered rifle.
23 posted on 07/04/2010 5:32:34 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Tax-chick

Kill ‘em and grill ‘em. (Thanks, Nuge)


24 posted on 07/04/2010 5:34:22 PM PDT by aviator
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To: muawiyah

I read today that during the 18th Century that colonial Americans kept flocks of geese, but NOT for food - they plucked the feathers 2 or 3 times a year, and that in one New England town there were so many loud honking geese everywhere that one couldn’t hear the sermons in church on Sundays.


25 posted on 07/04/2010 5:34:52 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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26 posted on 07/04/2010 5:41:01 PM PDT by razbinn (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,and to the republic for which it ...)
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To: aviator

Goose is pretty tasty, although you can hurt your tooth on buckshot.


27 posted on 07/04/2010 5:43:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If I were a female diplodocus, I would lay eggs.)
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To: Ditter

I like the dog idea, although we don’t currently have the problem.

After all, we have an outdoor mouser cat, an indoor bug killing (assault) kitten, and the two dogs, running around sixty pounds or so, simply to do two cans of food, plus dried food, each, daily.

Well, they’re cute and lovable, but there’s something to be said for working for a living...

In the comments in the Union Leader was one that stood out: “target practice”. And given that you can shoot in your backyard around here...


28 posted on 07/04/2010 5:49:29 PM PDT by benewton
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To: hennie pennie

I believe that. My east Texas grammie born in the 1870’s made her own feather mattress and pillows from her own chickens feathers.


29 posted on 07/04/2010 5:50:09 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: benewton
We can't shoot in our back yard so the Jack Russells are in charge of keeping those pesky rabbits out of my flower beds. They catch a rat occasionally but they only chase squirrels for exercise. Something about a truce drawn up between them.
30 posted on 07/04/2010 5:53:50 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Willie Green
Euthanized goose:


31 posted on 07/04/2010 5:58:07 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Vaquero

I think the DEQ quietly eliminated quite a few swans where I live. There were about 60 of them on a couple hundred acres of water and trust me, that’s too many. Now all of a sudden there are only about a dozen of them.

For some strange reason, the invasive species is protected. (Mute sawns)


32 posted on 07/04/2010 5:59:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Ditter
We can't shoot in our back yard so the Jack Russells are in charge of keeping those pesky rabbits out of my flower beds. They catch a rat occasionally but they only chase squirrels for exercise. Something about a truce drawn up between them.

LOL understood, I'm owned by a JRT as well.
33 posted on 07/04/2010 6:01:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Ditter

My female gets petted, fed and sleeps.

I’ve been telling my wife’s boy, who likes to chase cars, that he needs to return with a red Miata complete with a cute blond.

No such luck yet, but then he is her’s, so what else would you expect?


34 posted on 07/04/2010 6:02:31 PM PDT by benewton
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To: Willie Green

They’re effing disgusting. I can’t even take my daughter to the North Shore in Pittsburgh because the goose crap is literally EVERYWHERE!!!! I went jogging there last summer & still have goose turds embedded in the tires of my stroller. Disgusting. And the stupid liberal tree huggers sit oo-ing & ahh-ing at them while they feed them so they can load up with more crap. Gross.


35 posted on 07/04/2010 6:04:34 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: Willie Green
Virginia here. Damn things are thick as flies, aggressive and crap everywhere. We could 'euthanize' millions of them and still have too many.

My heart goes out to animals, up to the point where I'm hip-deep in a species that does nothing constructive and makes a problem of itself. We actually have commercial services for scaring them away here.

Geese Police

36 posted on 07/04/2010 6:10:48 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Ditter

“I just read this story to my Jack Russel Terriers. They are all pumped and want to sign up for goose duty.”

I’d discourage them. Canada geese are strong, mean, and MUCH bigger than your little dogs. They can give a human (or even a bigger dog) a pretty hard time.

Of course, your doggies don’t KNOW how small they are, do they?


37 posted on 07/04/2010 6:13:27 PM PDT by Old Student
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
My son's and my husband always said squirrel is good eating. When they camp and hunt during bow and arrow season, small game license gives them lots of squirrel...just don't try eating a porcupine, they don't taste good and are full of fat.. Camp rules were whatever you killed you had to eat, one year one of the young guys got a porky, they never shot another one...hubby went into town that night, called me and said he was having steak....he didn't shoot the darn thing....
38 posted on 07/04/2010 6:13:27 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Willie Green

No one would bother them if they would stop leaving their cigar butts on the sidewalks...

oh wait those aren’t old stogies.


39 posted on 07/04/2010 6:16:20 PM PDT by chickenlips
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To: Riley
All the government has to do is put a bounty on them, they would disappear fast...My dad had an old saying about disgusting things that we would run across......That goes throught you like shit throught a Christmas goose...I had 4 geese, good watch dogs but crap more than 4 dogs would...

Here in Michigan, every pond you see has canadian geese hanging around....yuk...

40 posted on 07/04/2010 6:19:39 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Old Student
heh heh! You DO know JRT’s don't you. We call them big dogs wearing little dog suits. They have no idea they are smaller than a pitt bull and would tear right into one if they felt like it.
41 posted on 07/04/2010 6:22:05 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: OldDeckHand

These days you would be in deep doo doo if your dog killed that many Canada geese

They are lovely birds but I would love to see their population reduced. Poison them or shoot them I don’t care.


42 posted on 07/04/2010 6:22:45 PM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: Willie Green

Seems like a lot of very envious eco-kooks up there. They don’t much like rich people having big lawns so they get a chance to be evil and vindictive to the swells who want to get rid of the Canada geese plague that makes their big lawns into open air goose latrines

I mean how can you enjoy your nice big lawn if you are going to break your neck slipping on a fresh turd?


43 posted on 07/04/2010 6:27:42 PM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: Willie Green

What did these creatures look like before they evolved into birds?

Yanno, back when you were a kid?


44 posted on 07/04/2010 6:27:53 PM PDT by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Willie Green

A groundskeeper at a local golf club got fed up with the flyin rats and brought his shotgun to work one day. He got a dozen and some. Community was sympathetic, but they fired the guy.


45 posted on 07/04/2010 6:28:10 PM PDT by Southern Partisan (One issue voter...and it ain't abortion.)
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To: Willie Green

About 4,000 were killed by Washington Fish & Game Dept. in Kirkland/Bellvue area awhile ago because they were not “migratory” and were pooping in the park that is frequented by the Liberal folks in that area. It is one of the few access points to Lake Washington still open to the public.


46 posted on 07/04/2010 6:28:54 PM PDT by alpo
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To: Southern Partisan

There is a retention pond down the street from my house that attracts geese. When I walk my golden retriever in the area they disappear pretty quickly. Do they perceive the dog as a predator? Like a wolf?


47 posted on 07/04/2010 6:32:46 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Vaquero

run thru windmills and feed the shredded poultry to the starving Baraqqi masses


48 posted on 07/04/2010 6:33:33 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Ditter
I'm looking for a female about the same age. I got this little guy last fall when the old male died and I took the elderly female to her final rest about a week back. (She had lymphoma)

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49 posted on 07/04/2010 6:35:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Ditter

Not well, but I’d like to get to know one or two much better. Lion-heart, mouse-body. ;)

I’ve had a few other dogs like that, though. Charge hell WITHOUT a bucket of water. All guts, no sense as all. ;)

Heck, I’ve got two like that, now, just larger than your average JRT. One blue-tick-X Mutt, and one either serious mutt or Belgian Griffon. 35 & 10 lbs, respectively. Seems to me JRT’s would run about half or less than the littler of my two. I’ve run into several Canada Geese bigger than the larger of mine, and THEY they all think they’re Jurassic Park Velociraptors when they get upset with someone.


50 posted on 07/04/2010 6:38:41 PM PDT by Old Student
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