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The banality of Methodist evil
Jerusalem Post ^ | 7/4/2010 | Robin Shepherd

Posted on 07/04/2010 6:19:10 PM PDT by HearMe

The banality of Methodist evil

By ROBIN SHEPHERD

04/07/2010

Boycott against goods emanating from settlements shows where the rancid, global campaign against the Jewish state is heading.

The decision last week by the Methodist Church of Britain to launch a boycott against goods emanating from settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem will send a shiver down the spine of anyone with a feel for where the rancid, global campaign against the Jewish state is currently heading.

The boycott will involve transactions of the church itself, and extends to encouraging all affiliated Methodists to follow suit. The Methodists boycott no other country.

The fact that an institution professing allegiance to values of love, truth and justice should have succumbed to an agenda of hatred, hypocrisy and barbarism is sadly emblematic of the degraded spirit of our times, and of the moral inversions which blow through them.

But who, these days, can really be surprised about such happenings in modern Europe? It is only the banality, to appropriate Hannah Arendt, of this particular evil that still has the power to shock us. For, in watching the discussions at the Methodist Conference which approved the boycott, there was little in the way of the visceral hatred of Israel which we have become so accustomed to seeing in academic settings or in the trade unions. Here was a group of almost stereotypically ordinary, middle-class, English Christians calmly reciting every hackneyed anti-Israeli calumny in the book.

“What is happening in Palestine today is what was happening in South Africa in the recent past,” one delegate said. Another spoke of the “66 percent of 9- to 12-month-old babies [that] are anemic in Gaza.”

Yet another described a picture, which she held up in front of her, of a small boy “with large eyes” and “deep pain” in those eyes. “This little boy lives in Gaza,” she said ominously, adding (without irony) that the conference should “speak and act for those whose voices are not heard.”

Later, the point was repeated with one speaker lamenting the position of the Palestinians who have “no one to tell of what they’re going through.”

There was a lecture on the Old Testament, the Jews as “the chosen people,” the children of Abraham, and the revelations of Jesus: “Jesus... never speaks of the land or owning it; he speaks of the kingdom and joining it,” said the delegate joyfully. “...He teaches us God is not a racist God [her emphasis] who has favorites. God loves all his children [her emphasis] and blesses them.”

A student of archeology from the University of Manchester protested against accusations of one-sidedness in a report on the conflict which underpinned the boycott resolution: “No conflict is ever one-sided, “ he said before concluding, literally seconds later, that “perhaps it is not the report that is one-sided, but simply the conflict.”

IF TOTAL illogicality, intimations about the dangers of Jews worshiping a racist God, preposterous assertions about the Palestinian cause not getting an airing in the outside world and depraved and asinine comparisons with apartheid South Africa were the stock in trade of the ordinary delegates, the church’s sophisticates were not to be outdone.

Here is the Rev. Graham Carter, the chairman of the working group that produced the initial report. He is speaking at the end of the first debate, just after having made his (pro forma?) reference to upholding the right of Israel to exist: “We didn’t go through the list of criticizing other governments, because there was no place to stop,” he said. “We could have criticized the United States for its past unquestioning support of the government of Israel. We could have questioned our own government for the equivocality of its approach. Where would we stop? So we concentrated simply on the situation in Palestine itself.”

In referring to criticism of governments around the world other than Israel, one might have expected that this was his cue to explain why Israel had been singled out. Not a bit of it. It never appeared to occur to him that the question of gross hypocrisy might be an issue. His only thoughts about other governments concerned the sense in which they might have been criticized for complicity in Israeli behavior! But it is when he comes to the question of anti- Semitism that he meets his undoing. “I want to state quite clearly and categorically that there is no hint of anti-Semitism in what we have said or in what we intend,” he stated boldly. “If other people want to do things like that, that is their problem. It is not our problem as a Methodist church. We need to be honest about where stand and what we feel. And if we are concerned about anti-Semitism, why don’t we talk about the anti-Islam approach?” I leave it to others to judge whether there is a “hint of anti-Semitism” in what they have said or intended.

But, in so far as his comments make any sense at all, one way of summarizing the rest could be as follows: “If this campaign against Israel results in more anti-Semitism, we in the Methodist Church wash our hands of it. We’ll act, and the Jews can take the consequences.

And what’s the big deal about anti-Semitism anyway? Can’t we talk about Islamophobia.”

I DID not have the pleasure of talking to the Rev.

Carter, who would certainly reject any suggestion of wrongdoing, let alone that he had taken his church down the road to bigotry. But I did speak to the Methodist Church’s head of media relations, Anna Drew, whose well prepared brief offered a lesson in where things have gone so badly wrong.

“Do you have any boycotts of other countries in the world, Saudi Arabia for example, where Christianity is banned?” I asked.

“Almost certainly not,” she said.

“So why have you singled out the Jewish state?” I asked.

“We have not singled out the Jewish state,” she replied, saying that the boycott was not against Israel, merely against the occupied territories.

And so the conversation went on, going round and round in circles as Drew summoned up every ounce of conceivable pedantry to argue that singling out the policy of a particular country was substantially different from singling out the country itself, even though such a boycott applied to no other country or its policies.

“Don’t you realize that you’re joining a massive global campaign against Israel?” I asked.

“There isn’t a campaign against Israel,” she replied firmly. “It’s not as simple as that.”

“You don’t accept that you’ve just jumped on a fashionable bandwagon?” I asked in amazement.

“We are the first church... to do this... so we are not being fashionable,” she replied.

At which point, what can you really say? Overall, a church that behaves in the manner of the Methodists has buried its credibility under a gigantic dunghill of intransigence, pedantry, lies and distortions.

But let us not allow this matter to rest with a mere recognition of whom and what they have chosen to become.

If the Methodist Church is to launch a boycott of Israel, let Israel respond in kind: Ban their officials from entering; deport their missionaries; block their funds; close down their offices; and tax their churches.

If it’s war, it’s war. The aggressor must pay a price.

The writer is director of international affairs at the Henry Jackson Society in London. He is the author of A State Beyond the Pale: Europe’s Problem with Israel


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; israel; lds; methodist; mormon

1 posted on 07/04/2010 6:19:16 PM PDT by HearMe
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To: HearMe

We Methodists can’t let the Catholics and Mormons hog all the fun.


2 posted on 07/04/2010 6:22:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: HearMe

ping


3 posted on 07/04/2010 6:24:34 PM PDT by devane617 (VOTE THEM OUT! ALL OF THEM!)
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To: UCANSEE2

LOL

I was just shocked to find that I’m evil.


4 posted on 07/04/2010 6:25:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
Wow. Me, too. I'd better go look in the bathroom mirror to see if I have any horns sprouting from my head yet........oh, wait. LOL

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

5 posted on 07/04/2010 6:33:55 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: HearMe

socialists have infiltrated many churches.


6 posted on 07/04/2010 6:38:44 PM PDT by ken21 (who runs the gop?)
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To: ken21

Communist goal number 27 as read into the congressional record on january 10 1963 by A. S. Herlong, JR. of Florida.

[[27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”]]

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


7 posted on 07/04/2010 6:46:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: HearMe

I here by boycott all things Methodists!


8 posted on 07/04/2010 6:53:11 PM PDT by Recon Dad ( Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
Thanks HearMe.
"Do you have any boycotts of other countries in the world, Saudi Arabia for example, where Christianity is banned?" I asked.

"Almost certainly not," she said.

"So why have you singled out the Jewish state?" I asked.

"We have not singled out the Jewish state," she replied, saying that the boycott was not against Israel, merely against the occupied territories.

And so the conversation went on, going round and round in circles as Drew summoned up every ounce of conceivable pedantry to argue that singling out the policy of a particular country was substantially different from singling out the country itself, even though such a boycott applied to no other country or its policies.

"Don't you realize that you're joining a massive global campaign against Israel?" I asked.

"There isn't a campaign against Israel," she replied firmly. "It's not as simple as that."

9 posted on 07/04/2010 6:57:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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10 posted on 07/04/2010 7:03:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: HearMe

Do you really think John Wesley and George Whitefield would be boycotting Israel?


11 posted on 07/04/2010 7:03:46 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Recon Dad

The Methodists long ago lost all adherence to the Revelation of the New Testement. They are a banal clique of pompous bishops, prissy bureaucrats and simpering pastors too vain and haughty to witness to their unerring sinfulness and their moral depravity.
I once, with generations of my family, found a spiritual home in Methodism. That has faded and been replaced by an onerous judgemental authority filled with arrogance and seething with depravity. There may remain a few threads of spiritually sound Methodists. They are out of step with their denomination.
The Methodist church has become the bona fide spawn of satan, deserving of contempt by Bible believing Christians everywhere.


12 posted on 07/04/2010 7:06:09 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: HearMe

The United Methodist Church went leftist over 40 years ago, this doesn’t surprise me. I left when the preacher asked for donations to build a field hospital for the VC, and to support handgun control Inc. I just got up and walked out, never looked back.


13 posted on 07/04/2010 7:07:41 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: UCANSEE2

Get out while you can.

I did.

The United Methodist Church has become a left wing front group - just like the Presbyterians and Anglicans.

I wish there was a better response, but these mainstream Christian Churches have been infiltrated and destroyed by the leftists and anti-western Culture Luddites like the Colleges and many other social institutions.

We need to reconfigure society again from the ground up with ZERO tolerance for leftists.


14 posted on 07/04/2010 7:08:53 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: circlecity

No, John Wesley & George Whitefield would be asking the Methodists of Britain for volunteers & funds to send missionaries to evangelize the Jews and Muslims of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.


15 posted on 07/04/2010 7:18:08 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "Hapana Obama")
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To: circlecity
Do you really think John Wesley and George Whitefield would be boycotting Israel?

That's an unfair rhetorical question, Israel did not exist back then.

16 posted on 07/04/2010 7:22:15 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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17 posted on 07/04/2010 7:30:48 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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Hey, where's that big wolf in sheep's clothing graphic?  !
18 posted on 07/04/2010 7:32:36 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: cripplecreek

You might consider converting to Holocaustianity.


19 posted on 07/04/2010 7:58:24 PM PDT by ruination
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To: SunkenCiv
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Rochester, Kent, United Kingdom

I am married to Jim and live in Rochester, Kent. I'm a bit of a theologian and a complete film fanatic. I work for the British Methodist Church as Lead Media Officer, but please note that this is a personal blog and anything said here represents my opinion and not necessarily that of the Church. I am addicted to Holby City and Prison Break.

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20 posted on 07/04/2010 8:04:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: UCANSEE2

I suppose the rival Calvinists can take comfort that it was predestined to happen, while the rest implore the Methodists to make a different choice.

This is pretty well where rotten mainline demonimations go. Far is it from their minds that Islam calls official home to something like 10,000 times as much land than Judaism does, but they won’t be a bit charitable to share a bit of this home to their suffering Gazan brothers, who are suffering because Israel has them under heavy restrictive guard to keep itself from being attacked from a Gazan military position.


21 posted on 07/04/2010 8:07:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: ZULU

This is exactly what needs to be done. Leave them with empty building and empty coffers and then rebuild - but this time with zero-tolerance for liberals.


22 posted on 07/04/2010 8:43:24 PM PDT by achilles2000
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
...and to support handgun control Inc. I just got up and walked out, never looked back.

I hear that, and I'm sad to say I did the same. Gramsci's long march camped there a long time ago, and never left.

23 posted on 07/04/2010 9:25:59 PM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: Salem

24 posted on 07/04/2010 9:29:19 PM PDT by Don W (I only keep certain folks' numbers in my 'phone so I know NOT to answer when they call)
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To: UCANSEE2

Great Britain is really going downhill. The Methodist Church in England is a reflection of that.


26 posted on 07/04/2010 9:30:06 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: Seven plus One
My great grandfather was a Methodist circuit rider, rode horseback to preach all over S. Georgia and N. Florida. I walked away from a lot of history but no chance of saving it.

I got letters for a long time, finally told them exactly why I left. No more letters.

27 posted on 07/04/2010 9:33:11 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: HearMe
"Yet another described a picture, which she held up in front of her, of a small boy “with large eyes” and “deep pain” in those eyes. “This little boy lives in Gaza,” she said ominously, adding (without irony) that the conference should “speak and act for those whose voices are not heard.” "

These methodists make me want to puke, using children to advance their evil agenda. I don't know if the British methodists share the same Satanist agenda, but the United Methodist Church (of the USA) congratulated Bill clinton TWICE for his veto of the congressionally passed ban on partial birth abortions. That's all I really care to know about them. May they burn in Hell, with Elena Kagan.

28 posted on 07/04/2010 10:31:39 PM PDT by matthew fuller (2012: Bachman, Bolton, Brewer, Liz Cheney, Coburn, DeMint, Inhofe, Jindal, Palin and Pence.)
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To: Amos the Prophet
"The Methodist church has become the bona fide spawn of satan, deserving of contempt by Bible believing Christians everywhere."

I could not have said it better myself!

29 posted on 07/04/2010 10:39:11 PM PDT by matthew fuller (2012: Bachman, Bolton, Brewer, Liz Cheney, Coburn, DeMint, Inhofe, Jindal, Palin and Pence.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“I left when the preacher asked for donations to build a field hospital for the VC, and to support handgun control Inc. I just got up and walked out, never looked back.”

I did the same about 30 years ago. I told the preacher his job was to get my soul into Heaven, not to tell me what guns I could own. Since I left, the church has picked the wrong side of many other issues and I never went back.

A retired Border Patrol friend left when his preacher told them to support illegal immigration.


30 posted on 07/04/2010 10:49:27 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: ZULU

I got out long ago.

I was referring, really, to the religion I was raised in.


31 posted on 07/04/2010 11:14:11 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: cripplecreek
I was just shocked to find that I’m evil.

Happens to everyone, sooner or later. Just ask any Catholic.

It's in the Bible as well. The capacity for evil is within us. No one is perfect (able to maintain good over evil 100%).

We would need no forgiveness, were we otherwise.

32 posted on 07/04/2010 11:21:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: HearMe

Wonder if these Methodists have a FACEBOOK ACCOUNT?

‘Kill a Jew’ page on Facebook sparks furor
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2547031/posts?page=1


33 posted on 07/04/2010 11:31:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: HearMe
The American United Methodist Church seems to be nearly as bad.

I'm not a religious person myself, but have attended several Methodist services, or other church events, in recent years. ON EVERY OCCASSION there was in evidence some sign of leftist malignancy. And this in conservative north-central (Dallas/Fort Worth) Texas.

The worst was a Christmas service when the minister chose to speak on the evil of Israel's separation wall. She never once mentioned the reason for the barrier: prevention of mass murdering suicide bomb attacks on Israeli civilians.

I swear to God, had I not been a guest, I would have stood up and yelled "BOOM" at the top of my voice, explaining that, had I been a suicide bomber, half the congregation would be dead or maimed for life. As it was I unobtrusively walked out.

I still regret that I didn't make some at least restrained and silent demonstration (maybe leaving, unnecessarily, by the center aisle, glaring silently at the minister for a moment and shaking my head before leaving, or something of the sort).

I have since determined, in the future, when faced with antisemitism, even of this "banal" sort emanating from "well intentioned" liberals who don't "feel" themselves to be hostile to Jews, that I will NEVER refrain from making a public demonstration.

34 posted on 07/05/2010 3:12:46 AM PDT by Stultis (Democrats. Still devoted to the three S's: Slavery, Segregation and Socialism.)
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To: Don W
I find myself stonehearted when listening to Arab appeals for integrity of the Hijaz ("holy lands"), in the face of the historical fact of a) their having stolen most of them from the Roman Empire in the first place, and b) their having been liberated from the Turks by force of European, Christian arms in the second place.

If the British issued the Balfour Declaration concerning the settlement of Jews in Palestine, they were entirely within the rights of a conqueror to have done so. The same rights the Arabs themselves once claimed.

35 posted on 07/05/2010 4:07:28 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Salem
Here you go, my FRiend! I save everything of value!

36 posted on 07/05/2010 4:38:26 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: HearMe

Satan loves religion. Don’t look for him in the bars and casinos.

Try the churches.


37 posted on 07/05/2010 4:39:44 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: Salem
And so the conversation went on, going round and round in circles as Drew summoned up every ounce of conceivable pedantry to argue that singling out the policy of a particular country was substantially different from singling out the country itself, even though such a boycott applied to no other country or its policies.

“Don’t you realize that you’re joining a massive global campaign against Israel?” I asked.

What's taking place has all been written about thousands of years ago. I almost feel like a grandmaster chess player who knows what's going to happen 20 moves ahead. I can only thank God that he shown us the blueprint and I can sit back and watch everything he revealed come to fruition.

38 posted on 07/05/2010 6:00:16 AM PDT by this is my country
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The apostate/socialist/communist/humanist churches are easy to spot. They all belong to the National/World Council of Churches which was formed expressly for this purpose.

Study the history of the National Council of Churches. It is alarming and there is NO reason why any informed Freeper would remain in one of these churches.

Actually, they are not churches at all, they are left wing political organizations.

African Methodist Episcopal Church
• The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
• Alliance of Baptists
• American Baptist Churches in the USA
• Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
• Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
• Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
• Church of the Brethren
• The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America
• The Episcopal Church
• Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
• Friends United Meeting
• Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
• Hungarian Reformed Church in America
• International Council of Community Churches
• Korean Presbyterian Church in America
• Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
• Mar Thoma Church
• Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
• National Baptist Convention of America
• National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
• National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
• Orthodox Church in America
• Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
• Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
• Polish National Catholic Church of America
• Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
• Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
• Reformed Church in America
• Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
• The Swedenborgian Church
• Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
• Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
• United Church of Christ
• The United Methodist Church •

39 posted on 07/05/2010 6:17:45 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: matthew fuller
I am shocked at the number of conservatives/Republicans remain in these liberal "churches". They get fed with a steady diet of propaganda with which they do not agree but their critical thinking skills have been destroyed.

Freepers, use your heads--LEAVE!!! To remain means you're helping to spread these lies. You're working against yourself and these "churches" do not care about saving souls. They are leading them straight to Hell.

40 posted on 07/05/2010 6:25:00 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Here is a website listing all of their member churchs that actively support and advocate their goal of infanticide. Warning, this is a VILE and EVIL site. http://www.rcrc.org/ . These are their supporters-

Religious Views in Support of International Family Planning
Catholic - Catholics for Choice
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) - A Perspective
Episcopal Church
Muslim - A Perspective
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Reform Jewish
United Church of Christ - A Perspective
United Methodist Church
Unitarian Universalist Assn.

Your denomination’s position on abortion:

http://www.rcrc.org/pdf/We_affirm_2010.pdf


41 posted on 07/05/2010 9:33:29 AM PDT by matthew fuller (2012: Bachman, Bolton, Brewer, Liz Cheney, Coburn, DeMint, Inhofe, Jindal, Palin and Pence.)
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To: matthew fuller
We left the apostate Evangelical Lutheran Church in America for the conservative Lutheran Church Missouri Synod seventeen years ago.

We have been rewarded greatly. Our church service yesterday only reaffirmed our decision. The service was patriotic with a Bible based sermon on our rights coming from our CREATOR. They are unalienable and cannot be taken away. The prayer called for our nation to turn from its sinful ways. There were tears.

42 posted on 07/05/2010 9:43:33 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks Fred Nerks!


43 posted on 07/05/2010 11:49:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: cripplecreek
Thanks, many years ago I read this book and it has always stayed with me but I forgot the title and lost track of it. It is a book that every American must read and study. It is an amazing eye opener.
Book title page:
Skousen, W. Cleon. Naked Communist
Salt Lake City, Utah: Ensign Publishing Co.
C. 1961 , 9th edition July 1961.
44 posted on 07/05/2010 2:20:04 PM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: ZULU

That would be the PCUSA, not the PCA wing of the Presbyterian church..the schism occurred many years ago and indeed, the PCUSA is in the the National Council of Churches. We in the PCA denounce the PCUSA for their socialist leanings.


45 posted on 07/05/2010 5:29:53 PM PDT by scoastie
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To: this is my country

She is one of the People of The Lie.


46 posted on 07/05/2010 5:35:06 PM PDT by scoastie
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To: this is my country
Amen!   !
47 posted on 07/05/2010 6:36:17 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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