Posted on 07/05/2010 9:13:44 AM PDT by DemforBush
HONOLULU – Census worker Russell Haas has come to expect a little resistance when he goes door to door to count the residents of the rugged communities near Hawaii's Kilauea volcano. He didn't expect to get arrested.
An attempt to get one resident, a county police officer, to fill out Census forms landed Haas in the back of a patrol car with a trespassing charge...
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It's also kind of interesting to me that Hawaii has one of the lowest response rates to the Census.
They’re all out on the beach.
I know a few people who have lived and worked there and have unkind things to say about the natives and their habits and the place in general.
The basic problem is when the government hates us, we hate them back.
Our community has a local ordinance that requires solicitors to acquire a solicitation license before they solicit door-to-door. However, the city also provides residents with “No Solicitation” stickers for all outside entry doors if they so choose.
The city ordinance requires all solicitors to honor these stickers, meaning they are breaking the law should they solicit a house so posted.
I’ve been waiting for a visit from a census worker. I didn’t fill out my form completely. I’m waiting to show them the sticker on my door, and see just what the response will be (both from the census worker and my city clerk...whom I know).
I’ll not be answering any questions, and will demand the worker leave the property...
The natives do not want to be Americans... they want our money but they want the rest of us to leave or only come as a short time visitor with a lot of money to leave there.
LLS
The Census worker Haas was wrong to confront the citizen and refuse to leave! He should have just left the census form on the gate and made a note or what ever they do that the citizen had been contacted and a form was left at the address.
This is an interesting case. Both parties are wrong to a degree.
The constitution does mandate the federal gov’t conduct a count of the people, so they do have the right to conduct the count.
However, that doesn’t mean they can violate our rights to conduct the count.
The census should be taken with respect to everyone’s rights and if someone refuses to participate the feds can choose to enforce it via the courts. They shouldn’t use mini-gestapo agents to try and coerce people to participate.
The Census is supposed to be a count. Now it’s turned into a survey. Maybe we don’t want the stinkin’ Census “papers”. Just write down that one person lives there and move on. This is turning into a Gestapo operation. Not by accident I’m sure.
It’s interesting that police hassled the census taker. If the complainant hadn’t been a fellow officer, they wouldn’t have bothered showing up.
I resent the governments over stepping it’s Constitutional authority, which says they have the duty to count people. Beyond the number of people that live at a residence, they don’t have the right to any of the endless other information they try to collect. It’s a bogus claim that that information is needed to allocate Federal money for any purpose. We already have Federal agencies and State agencies that have more than sufficient information from tax collection every single year. Schools have registration data, welfare departments, the list is endless.
So why do we waste billions of dollars on the census?
Politicians.
A census worker is not a solicitor. They are federal employees, and have the authority to carry out their duties.
This case will be dismissed. I’m a pretty hard-core small government guy, but I don’t understand why anyone has a problem with the census. It’s one of the few things the federal government does these days that’s actually authorized by the Constitution.
If you filled out the basic information, you probably won’t be visited by a census worker.
They’re not permitted to leave forms—all they have with them are forms which they must complete themselves—but they are also instructed to leave if someone tells them to and to be nonconfrontational in general.
I agree that the census worker was too aggressive. He should have just marked on his list “non-cooperative,” and left it to his supervisors to deal with.
Our ordinance is written to cover anyone "soliciting" a residence, and census workers are "soliciting" information. As I read the ordinance, they are covered by the law.
I did fill out the minimal information based on what the Constitution requires. I'm not really expecting a worker to approach the house, but will turn them away if they do show up.
I was there in the '80s (Kaneohe), drove all over the island, and came to the same conclusion. They were all envious of our wealth, but didn't want to work for it. "He's on Hawaiian time" was the mantra I heard all the time - it meant that someone was either hours late of didn't show up for work at all.
Beautiful-looking water, and I salivated at doing some fishing from the shore. I was told to forget it. At first, the natives were using dynamite to stun the fish, but that was killing everything and it was banned. So . . . they switched to dumping gallons of bleach to do the same thing - killed off everything including the coral.
That, and prominent signs to lock your car and hide your cameras left me with a sour opinion of the whole lot.
Gotta say though, that the mixed race girls, Asian + anybody else were stunningly beautiful.
I gotta agree with you.
Also, the left are all charged up to be counted as fully and as many times as possible. In contrast, our side seems to have a paranoia and rebellion streak as far as it is concerned, so they’re less likely to cooperate.
Then comes the reapportionment of districts and which team do you think wins out by their approach?
There are “long forms,” which are sent out to a certain percentage of people, but no one is required to answer all those questions; if they fill out the basic information, they won’t be contacted, as far as I know.
Chicago has nothing on Hawaii when it comes to the rules of local politics. If it is established that there are lots of Japanese, Okinawans, Indonesians, South East Asians, and Other Pacific Islanders, but almost no “Pure Native Hawaiians” left, then their political clout ends. The alliances and people passing as Hawaiians for the extra handouts would end. In a local society that claims “Aloha Spirit” there are more than enough closet bigots to go around.
Bottom Line they want the Feds to be like tourists. Show up leave your money and go home.
Wonder what that's supposed to mean. Haas lumps vets in with pot growers?
There's always two sides to a story. I wonder if Mr. Haas conveys a bit of an "attitude" while performing his duties...
Haas, 57, a former New Jersey police officer
Then comes the reapportionment of districts and which team do you think wins out by their approach?
I've had a hard time with the attitude from the right on this issue. It's not as if Obama cooked this up by himself for some nefarious purpose. It's in the Constitution, for crying out loud.
I would have thought that the proper strategy is to count the maximum number possible and skip the number of toilets etc.
But when the government illegally perverts the census by thumbing its nose at the law, like this one as no other, it's time to rebel.
Yeah, I’d really love to see President Palin and our Republican Congress shut down everything the census bureau does other than its Constitutionally-mandated decennial count.
I’m not filling out racial information so that the government can use it to discriminate against me for being white.
>>”...but I don’t understand why anyone has a problem with the census.”<<
Evidently you didn’t get the “American Community Survey” from the U.S Department of Commerce, U.S. Census Bureau that threatens you with jail time and fines if you don’t tell them how many minutes you drive to work, your mortgage payment, how much you pay for homeowners insurance, how much you pay for your water and sewer per month, how much you pay rent, whether you speak a language other than english, what type of health insurance you have, how many times you have been married, the highest degree or level of school you have, etc.
All true just taken from the form in front of me. Check it out and tell me if you’d comply? I won’t.
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/
>>”It’s in the Constitution, for crying out loud.”<<
Wingy, see my post #27 and go to the link. These questions aren’t required by the Constitution, my FRiend. Not my Constitution, anyway.
This ‘questionaire’ is nothing more than a phising trip wanting to know everything about you and how many sheeple are stupid enough to comply. Maybe they’ll let us choose which gas chamber to march into? That’ll be the only freedom we have left before this reign of terror is over.
>>”...it’s time to rebel.”<<
We better do it before it’s too late.
panaxanax : Evidently you didn’t get the “American Community Survey” ... just taken from the form in front of me. Check it out and tell me if you’d comply? I won’t.
The Constitution authorizes an "enumeration," not a census or a survey. Enumerations are "counts" and therefore require no participation from those being counted.
So, unless you are in the export-import business and being questioned specifically about that business, you don't have to answer any Census 2010 or any American Community Survey Questions AT ALL.
And that's the real law.
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When the from comes back with payment..... fill it out them.
I am not anyones slave.
I was bringing up the fact that in addition to these questions being unconstitutional, the census is being conducted and compiled in an illegal, unconstitutional manner, becoming nothing more than a propaganda tool for the left. This administration is blatantly defying the DOMA law by counting homosexuals as "married" if they want to report as such. The activists are just beside themselves with glee over this overt flouting of the law, and will capitalize on the results to the max to push their agenda on all of us. The obsession with race and ethnicity is also a red herring for census purposes, and seeks to count, and, ultimately, amnestitize millions of illegal aliens as "citizens" of this country through a back-door scheme, something this adbomination seems to excel at.
So what part of the information requested on the form is "basic information"? I filled out the number of people living at my residence and sent my form in. This did not satisfy the Census Bureau and I have been called and visited repeatedly. (And no, they have not gotten any more information from me.)
Ordinarily you expect for cops to extend traditional respect and courtesy to each other. Several retired friends of mine actually place their "retired police officer" IDs (issued by their former employers) on their visor so that anyone issuing them a ticket will see it in time to "stop" and make it a warning at worst.
I wouldn't expect Hawaii retired cops to get any courtesy at all anywhere else after this.
If the Founders thought it suitible for your little municipal sticker-ship to run the census they'd have given it to you in the Constitution, but they didn't.
There are nearly 200 other countries in this world to live in if you don't like it.
Start picking!
“...you don’t have to answer any Census 2010 or any American Community Survey Questions AT ALL.”
And I won’t. We were visited once by the Census girl and I told her there are two people living here and don’t waste your time and taxpayer money coming back and hound us. Haven’t seen them since.
I will go to jail before I fill out the ACS questions. We’ve received our second notice and will most likely receive a third and fourth. So be it.
As I said, we may see. But I know one thing; they have all they’ll get from me.
1. Everybody's name
2. Everybody's marital relationship
3. Everybody's blood relationship
4. Who was or was not a slave (in every state)
5. What color you were
6. Your age (within a range)
7. Your sex.
8. Your employment
You mean to tell me you think you're smarter than George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and that you think you know better what America needs in a census than they did?
Wow, I hadn’t even considered that angle. Thanks for the info!
I answered my census form and answered only one question - Question number one, where it asks how many people live here.
Subsequently, about five weeks later, a census worker appeared. I told her I had returned it.
She asked how many people live here, and I said only one, and as far as I understood things, that was the only question I was required to answer.
She fiddled with her forms, went to her car, sat in my driveway for about five minutes and left.
They haven’t (so far) come back.
“It’s interesting that police hassled the census taker. If the complainant hadn’t been a fellow officer, they wouldn’t have bothered showing up.”
I was thinking much the same thing when I first read the story. I question whether the police would have arrested the census worker had it not been a member of their own department making the complaint.
I also sort of wonder if the census worker, being an ex-cop himself, thought he might get some slack?
LOL. Looks like you would be a good candidate to request the intrusive form from the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, U.S. Census Bureau division. Their phone number is 1-800-354-7271. Ask for form #ACS-1(2010)KFI. I’m sure they’ll send you one immediately.
Please post the source where you found the first census questions.
I re-read mine and didn’t see where they asked if I was a slave or not.
Evidently, they must have changed that....?
Go ahead and tell them how many minutes it takes you to get to work if you want or if you speak a second language. I really don’t give a sh!t. Walk into the ovens without resistance with the rest of the sheeple.
“When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty”
Th. Jefferson
Baaaaaaa
Later generations tried to scratch that part out ~ ignoring the fact that those ancestors lived on Oneida land and were counted as Indians themselves.
You look to the results to determine what was asked by the census takers. One other thing I didn't note is that the first census also determined what district you lived in.
BTW, Jefferson designed and ran the FIRST CENSUS. Quoting Jefferson in opposition to a census is bizarre.
A local ordinance does not supersede a Constitutional clause and the federal laws promulgated to exercise it.
A constitutional clause means they have the right to come to my house to collect data. I have the right to refuse to give any data beyond what the constitution requires. I said “we’ll see”.
If you don't wish to live in a free society then there are plenty of others where you can live and not bother the rest of us.
Have you called the Census Bureau yet?
Their phone number is 1-800-354-7271. Ask for form #ACS-1(2010)KFI.
I’m sure they will be delighted to have as many sheeple (that would be you) as possible give every detail of their daily lives to access at their will. YOU are part of the problem if you do not resist or question this invasive questionaire.
Again, please post the source where you found the first census questions.
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