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What isn't wrong with Sharia law? (Is the left getting worried?)
Guardian UK ^ | 7/5/2010 | Maryam Namazie

Posted on 07/05/2010 11:41:12 AM PDT by Dallas59

The recent global day against the imminent stoning of Sakine Mohammadi-Ashtiani in Iran for adultery is an example of the outrage sparked by the brutality associated with sharia law's penal code.

What of its civil code though – which the Muslim Council of Britain's Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra describes as "small aspects" that concern "marriage, divorce, inheritance, custody of children"? According to human rights campaigner Gita Sahgal, "there is active support for sharia laws precisely because it is limited to denying women rights in the family. No hands are being cut off, so there can't be a problem …"

Now a report, Sharia Law in Britain: A Threat to One Law for All and Equal Rights, reveals the adverse effect of sharia courts on family law. Under sharia's civil code, a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's. A man can divorce his wife by repudiation, whereas a woman must give justifications, some of which are difficult to prove. Child custody reverts to the father at a preset age; women who remarry lose custody of their children even before then; and sons inherit twice the share of daughters.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: comingtoyourtown; crushislam; elections; formerlygreatbritain; islam; islamofascism; nosharialaw; obama; obamathemuslim; obamavoters; oncegreatbritain; politics; sharia; sharialaw; totalitarianism

1 posted on 07/05/2010 11:41:15 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

If the Guardian printed this, there has been a shift..


2 posted on 07/05/2010 11:46:10 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Barack Obama- 21st Century Edsel)
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To: Dallas59
A man can divorce his wife by repudiation, whereas a woman must give justifications, some of which are difficult to prove. Child custody reverts to the father at a preset age; women who remarry lose custody of their children even before then; and sons inherit twice the share of daughters.

This is why NOW and their dim allies the are so vocal in opposition to Sharia law.

Oh, wait a minute!

3 posted on 07/05/2010 11:49:25 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Dallas59

Did it really take that long for the Brits to realize the curse of Sharia law? Hopefully, the US will wake up in time.

Hey you congresscritters, don’t leave it up to the cheeeeeeeeeeldren to correct the mess you’re leaving behind.


4 posted on 07/05/2010 11:51:30 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: Dallas59

The liberals love the death cult because they both have an intense hatred for this country that was founded on Judaic and Christian principles.
Both want it destroyed.


5 posted on 07/05/2010 12:01:23 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism: severe deterioration of the thinking apparattus)
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To: Dallas59
Tolerate Islam --> Respect Islam --> Adhere to Islam.

It's coming... women, liberals, and educators ignore it; Congress, progressives and Obama hope for it...

I fear it...

It's coming.

6 posted on 07/05/2010 12:06:13 PM PDT by LoveUSA (What are we waiting for?)
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To: Dallas59

Interesting that they focus on family law which is one of the areas that the feminists have totally distorted so that it is the most anti-father institution in western society. Also this is one of the reasons that a lot of white Brits are converting to Islam, so that when the wife decide to divorce he doesn’t get totally screwed in family court but actually comes out ahead in the Muslim court. Provides an interesting counter balance to the out of control family court behavior in my opinion. So not really a bad thing from my perspective and if I was a Brit and not a Christian I’d probably convert just for this benefit a lone.


7 posted on 07/05/2010 12:27:49 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Dallas59

Keep in mind with the councils women really have NO CHOICE but to agree. Otherwise they will be TOTALLY REJECTED by their families. It’s a slick move, saying they’re voluntary, but they are not.


8 posted on 07/05/2010 12:33:57 PM PDT by BobL (The whole point of being human is knowing when the party's over.)
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To: Dallas59

Maybe the Left is beginning to realize its “solution” to fix its erroneously perceived “Christian problem” is not to embrace sharia.


9 posted on 07/05/2010 1:04:33 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Dallas59
Maryam Namazie is a rights activist, commentator and broadcaster and spokesperson of Iran Solidarity and One Law for All

I had an inkling the writer would be a Persian woman. The only ones who will stand up in the west against the shariah madness are the Persian women -- in Canada too they were the ones who stopped the government from adopting shariah council rulings as binding -- because they have been mugged the worst by its reality....They went from freedom and very progressive women's rights protections in their country before carter-khomeini to right back to the 13th Century.

IOW, you want to know shariah law, talk to Iranian women NOT western leftist goofball women.

10 posted on 07/05/2010 1:44:52 PM PDT by parisa
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To: Dallas59

It’s encouraging that the Brits actually noticed it long enough to do a government report on it...and an unfavorable one, at that. So perhaps they’ll take action now and really put an end to the acceptance of shariah as being equal to English courts and law. The author is correct: Everything is wrong with sharia.


11 posted on 07/05/2010 2:14:08 PM PDT by livius
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To: Dallas59

Like anything else with the lametard left, as with their collective view of Sharia Law:

“Dude, cliff!”
“Dude, what cliff?”


12 posted on 07/05/2010 2:17:05 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Dallas59

I predict after the great economic fall, the Arabs will offer money in exchange for a few cultural concessions.


13 posted on 07/05/2010 3:38:37 PM PDT by kinghorse (Allen says "macaca" on camera? 131 articles. Etheridge commits battery on camera? Three paragraphs)
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To: Dallas59

Maryam Namazie is also on the left. She is a nasty little Marxist.


14 posted on 07/05/2010 3:50:47 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Dallas59

The left is worried about Sharia Law? Because they have suddenly realized that its anti-homo sexual,anti-adultery, and also has capital punative provisions if one is caught screwing one’s dog, horse,camel or donkey!


15 posted on 07/05/2010 5:18:18 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: kinghorse

The Arabs make money only if we buy their oil. Economic collapse for us = Arab collapse.


16 posted on 07/05/2010 5:32:57 PM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Candor7

“The left is worried about Sharia Law? Because they have suddenly realized that its anti-homo sexual,anti-adultery, and also has capital punative provisions if one is caught screwing one’s dog, horse,camel or donkey!”

The punative provisions for screwing the camel or donkey only apply to women. As for doing the dog I believe that’s the death penalty for either sex. You know how muslims think dogs are unclean! Ha! Pot calling the kettle black. I’d go for the dog over the muslim any day.


17 posted on 07/05/2010 6:12:59 PM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: Dallas59

I just watched the movie The Stoning of Soraya M. Watch it, it gives a horrible vision of the disgusting justice thats served out in Sharia Law. Woman are nothing in Sharia law but property. If they are accused of a crime they have to prove there innocence if they accuse there husbands of a crime they have to prove there husbands guilt.


18 posted on 07/05/2010 6:19:40 PM PDT by eak3
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To: Bluebeard16
As for doing the dog I believe that’s the death penalty for either sex.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

The Left is just realizing how horribly they would be treated under this provision of Sharia Law. And conceivably they would have trouble just for having relations with leftist women, who in their large majority resemble canines.The left even call them biatches!

Doggers every one!

19 posted on 07/05/2010 7:01:51 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
The liberals love the death cult because they both have an intense hatred for this country that was founded on Judaic and Christian principles. Both want it destroyed.

And what they will get in return will destroy the Utopia they believe in and are trying to create. They are not prepared for that!

20 posted on 07/05/2010 8:07:11 PM PDT by pray4liberty (dare I say it?)
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To: eak3

Yeah, bring on Sharia Law, the leftist adulterers don’t realize that it will call for a rock concert in their honor... i.e. public stoning, and they think Christian and Jews are backwards! They have no idea what they are asking for. The old saying “jumping from the frying pan into the fire” applies here.


21 posted on 07/05/2010 8:10:27 PM PDT by pray4liberty (dare I say it?)
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To: trapped_in_LA
Interesting that they focus on family law which is one of the areas that the feminists have totally distorted so that it is the most anti-father institution in western society the World.

Ding, ding, ding, ding. Stop FR. - We have the FR Post of the Day.

Once again, this goes to prove the ages old maxim that is always forgotten by every generation:

You can't beat something with nothing

And you cannot defeat people who believe in something with people who believe in nothing.

22 posted on 07/06/2010 5:02:09 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Dallas59
“You shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

There is no true freedom outside of Christianity. Libertinism leads to totalitarianism. Islam leads to totalitarianism.

23 posted on 07/06/2010 5:02:58 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: mainsail that

>Economic collapse for us = Arab collapse.

100% correct.
But we aren’t talking about Arabs. - Even the Iranians aren’t Arab.
We are talking about Islam, and that is something else entirely.


24 posted on 07/06/2010 5:06:14 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952; trapped_in_LA

People often ask why the gays, feminists, and the left in general doesn’t oppose Islam for its anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-libertine doctrines.

Its because they’re both working for the same “guy”. The left’s ideological father is the same entity as is behind the moongod cult. And he coordinates their efforts and limits the bickering amongst his troops.


25 posted on 07/06/2010 5:10:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.” — Jesus


26 posted on 07/06/2010 7:42:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Dallas59

Basically sharia law is the bizarro world version of law. It is law created by very stupid people (stupid males) in order for tthe people in power under sharia law, stupid males, to practice cruelty on females and anyone else who isn’t a cruel,very stupid male. The more stupider and cruel you are, the more likely you will be attracted to sharia law and all its wondeful manifestations...stonings, honor killings, beheadings of innocent people, and the like.


27 posted on 07/06/2010 7:43:58 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: mainsail that

An economic collapse in the Arab lands would result in French Revolution style reaction. I am not one to wish death on others but anarchy over there is a richly deserved fate.


28 posted on 07/06/2010 8:45:16 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (I can see November from my house!)
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To: parisa
Atlas Shrugged
29 posted on 07/06/2010 8:51:58 AM PDT by itsahoot
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To: Missouri gal
Libertinism leads to perversion then to totalitarianism.
30 posted on 07/06/2010 8:54:45 AM PDT by itsahoot
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To: livius
So perhaps they’ll take action now and really put an end to the acceptance of shariah as being equal to English courts and law.

Just as a point of information shariah doesn't have 'equal status' now. Statute and common law always trump shariah in the English courts.

31 posted on 07/06/2010 10:03:53 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: driftless2

“Basically sharia law is the bizarro world version of law. It is law created by very stupid people (stupid males) in order for tthe people in power under sharia law, stupid males, to practice cruelty on females and anyone else who isn’t a cruel,very stupid male.”

I think that you need to look into the darkness of your own heart here. You seem to have an extreme problem with 1/2 the worlds population.

Sharia law is just as flawed as the US law and is administered by flawed people just like US judges. The only difference is that in the US (for the most part) the law gives women a pass (and most of the power when talking about family law and rape/sexual harassment charges) whereas Sharia it’s the (Muslim) males in the drivers seat. People decry the cruelty of the Sharia laws and the unfairness towards women but look at the results from a different perspective, which society has the most intact families? Which society is growing in population? Not everything is measured in terms of how big is your TV or the house that it’s sitting in, nor is advanced technology necessarily a good measure of success.

Would I like to be under Sharia law? No, as a Christian it would suck, but it sucks being under US law as well and I’m not too sure that it sucks more or less than Sharia law would. At least under Sharia law I would not be worried every time I play with my 6 year old niece that I’ll be accused of inappropriate “touching” and have my life destroyed by the overactive imagination of her or her mother.


32 posted on 07/06/2010 12:13:08 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Winniesboy

Good to know! But according to this article, it does seem in practice that sharia actually does govern in many places (at least Muslim immigrant communities).


33 posted on 07/06/2010 8:19:25 PM PDT by livius
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To: trapped_in_LA

Fine, you go live in a country that’s ruled by sharia law. All those countries have great traditions of ruling by force, discriminating against and persecuting non-believers, those “wonderful” honor killings, and general antipathy to modern western democratic ideals. I’ll look in the darkness of my heart while you look at the vapidity of your statement.


34 posted on 07/07/2010 5:58:53 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2

All countries “rule by force”, just try not paying child support because you’re unemployed and see what happens. And what are all those guys dressed in black breaking into houses in the middle of the night? Oh, its the SWAT guys. Also, Christians certainly seem to be discriminated against and persecuted here in the good old US of A (although not to the extreme that they are in Muslim countries, yet). As for “wonderful” honor killings they don’t happen nearly as often as you would think but lets compare them to all the women that get off practically scott free killing their husband/BF (Mary Winkler for one)by claiming abuse. But like I said as a Christian it would suck to live under Muslim rule but it also sucks to live under current US law.

You’re blinded by your hatred for 1/2 of the population and I seriously doubt you’ll see that as a problem until it’s too late.


35 posted on 07/07/2010 7:06:24 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA

Like I said, if you think Sharia law is so great, go live in a country that is governed by it. As a matter of interest, since it appears living in the U.S. is so awful, why don’t you?


36 posted on 07/07/2010 7:24:06 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: trapped_in_LA

You’re out of your freaking mind. Totally. You say you are a Christian.

Are you just clueless? You don’t know that non-Muslims are (at best) second hand citizens under Sharia? They have to pay extra tax if they don’t convert? Those are the lucky ones, that aren’t killed.


37 posted on 07/07/2010 9:43:48 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: trapped_in_LA


Honestly trapped_in_LA ...
38 posted on 07/07/2010 9:45:26 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: cardinal4

A little taste of the “bad medecine” always brings to light the nasty effects, no matter how much one rationalizes things at the onset.


39 posted on 07/07/2010 9:48:20 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Patrick Henry and Joe Wilson...Patriots past and present!)
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To: LoveUSA
Islam is a child and woman abusing terrorism inspiring cult IMO and Mohammad was a child molester.
40 posted on 07/07/2010 9:49:57 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: little jeremiah

“Are you just clueless? You don’t know that non-Muslims are (at best) second hand citizens under Sharia?”

And I’m not a second hand citizen here in the US because I’m a man? Look what would happen to me if my wife decided to divorce me or some random girl decided to accuse me of sexual assault? Think I’d be treated fairly in family court or criminal court. Look at the Duke lacrosse players, if they did not have parents that were filthy rich they’d all be sitting in jail for the next 30 years right now.

If I wasn’t a Christian I’d probably be tempted to convert to Islam and move over to one of the Muslim countries as it would probably offer more opportunity than you’ll see here in the US going forward as well as more stability as far as a home life than you’re likely to find here in the US.


41 posted on 07/07/2010 11:01:30 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA; Cindy

You’re out of your mind. With your love for Sharia law, I wish you would go live under it and find out what it’s like.

Unless you’re lying and you really are a Muslim. Hard to imagine anyone as ignorant as you, to really think that life would be better for anyone who is not a demoniac person under Islam Sharia law.

I have no time or wish to detail why Islamic law is hateful, demoniac, repressive for everyone, and a danger for the entire planet.

Cindy, can you believe this one????


42 posted on 07/07/2010 11:51:03 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

Try to brush up on your reading comprehension a little, I said that if I WASN’T a Christian I’d be tempted to convert to Islam and move to a Muslim country. You can spout all the hateful, demoniac, repressive BS that you want but Sharia law is no more unjust than the distorted humanistic/socialist/feminist inspired BS we have here in the US. And I would argue (which is what I’ve said in previous posts) that in some ways it is superior to western laws as evidenced by the fact that on the whole Muslim countries have in tact families versus the rapidly disintegrating western family structure.


43 posted on 07/07/2010 12:40:28 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA

You’re just plain nuts.

Sharia law keeps “families intact - which can include up to four wives (at any given time, and they can be divorced with no sweat at all), who live under ultimate repression which is virtual imprisonment. Yes, so if women are chattel and basically imprisoned, then I guess you could say such “families” are “intact”.

I agree there is much wrong with the “distorted humanistic/socialist/feminist inspired BS” in the US and other countries. But at least men are not killed for showing their ankles (or looking at an ankle). Etc.

BTW, did I say you’re nutso? Raving?


44 posted on 07/07/2010 1:25:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

You’re certainly are distorting things a bit. Yes women are basically chattel but so what? What’s that to me? If you look at the span of human history that’s the way it’s been since civilization began up until around the mid-1800’s (even, gasp! in the west! maybe you should start a reparations movement for black slaves AND all women!) It’s worked up to this point and guess what, once women were “liberated” all hell has broken loose and families are disintegrating which WILL cause our civilization to break down into chaos sooner or later. And no, in most Muslin countries women are not virtually imprisoned (unlike the US where over 2 million men are literally imprisoned), for example Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, and several others are quite liberal in the freedoms that they allow women. Don’t use the Taliban or Saudi Arabia as your yard stick since those are outliers.

As far as the other things you’re the nut if you think any women has had her head chopped off for showing an ankle (may be beat up a bit or caned if you lived around the Taliban). Most places are not that extreme that they require women to go around in a burka (or whatever that head to toe thing is called).


45 posted on 07/07/2010 5:50:20 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Personal Responsibility

They have a lot of money and they keep books like a major league baseball team or a movie studio.

I predict there will be a partial collapse and by that I mean a political and economic breakdown that will threaten the security of a majority of Americans and the the Arabs, not Muslims, but specifically the Arabs will bail us out. But we will have to give them something in exchange.

Meanwhile we appear to be in a race against time (before our collapse) to create the environment where Arabs are put in direct danger from the Turks and the Persians. Eventually we have the leverage to extract a price for protection from them that would alleviate some of our financial distress. We have sent trillions of dollars over there in exchange for something now occupying the upper atmosphere - fully combusted petrol.


46 posted on 07/14/2010 6:35:55 PM PDT by kinghorse (We kowtow to the Arab because he has all our cash)
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To: little jeremiah

The women are chattel insomuch as they are not liberated through modern forms of birth control. Westerners have lived with female birth control for so long now they just assume that’s the way of the world. It most assuredly is not. The idea of taking on multiple wives was one created out of mercy as a way of caring for women, whom, whether you like it or not, without the benefit of available birth control, are highly vulnerable. So these desert people developed traditions out of the reality of their situation.

They abhor immodesty because they live in an land that pushes up against a savage Africa with it bare breasted women and barbaric ways. So they overcompensate. What are you going to do? Say it has no place in liberal, modern west. You might have a point. I seem to recall Mormons picked up and separated themselves from the general population when they could no longer tolerate the ungodly heathen behavior. But I digress.

I suggest substituting birth control wheels for bombs and start dropping them everywhere over there. That’s the fastest path to their joining us in our self inflicted state of misery.


47 posted on 07/14/2010 6:49:06 PM PDT by kinghorse (We kowtow to the Arab because he has all our cash)
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To: kinghorse

Birth control doesn’t “liberate” women, it turns them into sex objects that men can use and discard without any responsibility.

Burkas and the like are a natural response to bare breasted Africans? That makes not a pinch of sense. Arabia is in Nigeria? Pushes up against? Have you looked at any maps lately?

A muslim who can abuse his wives at will or divorce them in a minute is caring for unprotected women? What happened to the other men? If every muslim has 4 wives, that means 3 men have no wife.

The solution for Islam is not hedonism. It is giving them the opportunity to leave Islam, which they don’t have, since being born into Islam is a life sentence.


48 posted on 07/14/2010 7:32:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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