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To: kcvl
“That demographic” was stupid to vote for him in the first place.

You have it somewhat backwards there. It should be "that demographic voted for him because they are stupid".

I have significant doubts that this country would be in better shape today if McCain would have been elected. Or really any of the other credible GOP 2008 candidates (Romney and possibly Huckabee). The economic ills of this country - which put us exactly where we are today - are systemic in nature and the result of DECADES of belief that the government can actively "fix" problems like the ones we're experiencing.

"Fixing" the problems will require draconian measures along the lines of what got the US out of the 1920-1921 Depression (discussions of which have occurred here on FR over the last few days. Basically massive cuts in both government spending (including entitlements, in order to bring down the deficit and debt) and corresponding cuts in taxes for all taxpayer groups (to spur consumer spending and economic growth). THAT'S going to require a truly transformative leader - even beyond another Ronald Reagan - that will lead the public away from its dependence upon government solutions.

McCain, Romney, Huckabee, etc, would not have been that transformative leader. And I doubt that a "free lunch" mentality public that clamors for a leader who will "fix the problem" through active government means is smart enough to realize what they *really* need.
15 posted on 07/05/2010 2:26:37 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

I have significant doubts that this country would be in better shape today if McCain would have been elected. Or really any of the other credible GOP 2008 candidates (Romney and possibly Huckabee). The economic ills of this country - which put us exactly where we are today - are systemic in nature and the result of DECADES of belief that the government can actively “fix” problems like the ones we’re experiencing.

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There is much truth in what you say. We became intellectually corrupted in the late 19th and early 20th centuries with “progressives”, unions and “Ivy League” educational domination, and we became administratively corrupted under FDR, with subsequent surges after WWII and with LBJ.

The cancer has metastasized all over. BHO is just the highest profile malignant tumor at the moment.


17 posted on 07/05/2010 2:33:44 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (How many Michael Steele gaffes does it take to make a pattern?)
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To: tanknetter

You are right. McCain would be awful too. Just not quite as awful. It is like the choice of lethal injection or the firing squad. Wonder if the Huckster and Jeb Bush will pull off another loss in 12.


19 posted on 07/05/2010 2:37:09 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: tanknetter

I am sorry, but I cannot allow people to perpetuate this lie unchallenged. McCain would have done little to help the economy, but he wouldn’t have spent our kids’ money on a wasted stimulus package full of pork, OBAMACARE would NOT have passed, he would be standing with Israel, he would not have decimated NASA, nor would he have cut defense spending—I could go on and on....

If you stayed home and didn’t vote because McCain wasn’t conservative enough, and we got this asshat for a president as a result, stop trying to placate your guilt by repeating this mantra. Things would not have been this bad with McCain. If you want to do a line by line comparison of things this president has done that McCain would never have done, I’m sure we can provide it for you. Say what you will about McCain’s RINO status. McCain is an American war hero. Obama is ... in so many ways...not even “American.”


27 posted on 07/05/2010 3:02:12 PM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: tanknetter
I have significant doubts that this country would be in better shape today if McCain would have been elected.

Yes, no doubt McCain, or any other Republican, would also have shredded the rule of law by taking over Chrysler and GM, pushed and rubber stamped disastrous health care "reform", and appointed Sotomayer and Kagen to the Supreme Court.

After the assult launched on this nation the last 18 months that we may never recover from, anybody these days babbling about "not a dime's worth of difference..." isn't a serious person, or is just doing that "aint I a lovable old curmudgeon" routine.

29 posted on 07/05/2010 3:10:54 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: tanknetter
"I have significant doubts that this country would be in better shape today if McCain would have been elected.[Snip] The economic ills of this country - which put us exactly where we are today - are systemic in nature"

There's no question that McLame was not the leader we need and the problems are beyond comprehension, but I doubt McLame would have created such a paralyzing level of government intervention risks across our entire private economy, or lay so many marxist building blocks for total statism.

McLame probably would not have put a bunch of self-proclaimed marxists in key positions, rammed through ObameeCare, let SEIU, Bwanie Fwank and Chris Dodger write a financial (choke, choke) reform bill that saves union pensions and federalizes "to big to fail" - while sticking it to the taxpayer, let the Bush tax cuts expire, abrogated the rights of secured bond holders and small business franchise dealerships, appointed Supreme Court justices who are marxists, sat idly by while Iran was percolating to the point of revolution, kicked Israel in the teeth, and so on.

Zero hates the America that fights for liberty and individual freedom. I think Zero has caused more damage in such a short period of time, that except for the lack of a body count, Mao or Stalin would have a tough time exceeding Zero's accomplishments in transforming a constitutional republic into a socialist state.

34 posted on 07/05/2010 3:29:45 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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