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Will Arizona Become its Own Republic?
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Posted on 07/06/2010 3:06:29 PM PDT by truthfinder9

Have the people of Arizona had enough? Grumblings in the state's capital seem to think so.

After the fed had completely abandoned any serious efforts to secure the southwestern border, Arizona passed a law which largely enforced laws on the books.

But the oppressive Obama Regime, who wants to legalize millions of illegals to secure votes, is now suing Arizona's new law.

“The Justice Department is overstepping its bounds,” says a source in the Arizona government. “They have no right to overturn a law enacted by a State and overwhelmingly supported by its citizens. But we know this administration cares little for Constitutional law.”

While sycophants of Obama were claiming the border was more secure than ever, gun battles were breaking out just across the border in Mexico.

“Arizona citizens fear for their lives. The unsecure border is letting drugs, gangs and all sorts of violent criminals. This is about national defense and Obama and Congress have abandoned Arizona.”

“Regardless of the outcome of the suit, we may ignore Obama and do what we have to do to defend our state. If that means leaving the federal regime that abandoned us, then we will.”


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; constitution; freedom; oppression

1 posted on 07/06/2010 3:06:31 PM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

Yeah, sure.


2 posted on 07/06/2010 3:10:09 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: truthfinder9

Isn’t Arazona already a republic? All states must have a republican form of government under the federal constitution.


3 posted on 07/06/2010 3:11:18 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: truthfinder9

umm, washington will nuke it before they let that happen. they need the revenue.


4 posted on 07/06/2010 3:14:27 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I don't speak starbucks.)
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To: truthfinder9

Obama would rather (and sooner) send troops to quash brash Arizonans than to stop criminal aliens.


5 posted on 07/06/2010 3:15:49 PM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: truthfinder9

Yea, because an unnamed source allegedly in the Arizona government says so. Such utterly ridicules assertions just helps the media assert that this is an effort by radicals rather than a well reasoned effort by the majority.


6 posted on 07/06/2010 3:16:39 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: truthfinder9

I like the idea.

Just think.

No more double-dealing McPain “reaching across the isle” in DC to help the DemoncRATs advance their agenda.


7 posted on 07/06/2010 3:17:09 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: truthfinder9

8 posted on 07/06/2010 3:17:15 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Owl558

Well, that big Phoenix newspaper seems to think so.

Of course, its news content seems to be at odds with its name.


9 posted on 07/06/2010 3:17:51 PM PDT by Erasmus (Looks like we're between a lithic outcropping and a region of low compressibility.)
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To: truthfinder9
Barry would sooner marry Hilary than go down in history as the first president to lose a state.
10 posted on 07/06/2010 3:18:16 PM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: umgud
Obama would rather (and sooner) send troops to quash brash Arizonans than to stop criminal aliens.

He probably give Calderon permissoin to attack from the South, and give them half ths state for their trouble.

11 posted on 07/06/2010 3:19:14 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

History repeats itself.


12 posted on 07/06/2010 3:20:33 PM PDT by Conservative9
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To: kingu
Barry would sooner marry Hilary than go down in history as the first president to lose a state.

But then again, he is married to a Wookie.

13 posted on 07/06/2010 3:20:39 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: the invisib1e hand

“umm, washington will nuke it before they let that happen. they need the revenue.”

Between the lawsuits, the boycotts and the hate, they don’t seem to need the revenue TOO much, do they? This admin isn’t thinking at all.


14 posted on 07/06/2010 3:22:33 PM PDT by jessduntno (I'm not a racist, you're just saying that because I'm white.)
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To: truthfinder9

King George is crushing a colony.

Pray for America


15 posted on 07/06/2010 3:23:15 PM PDT by bray (Did Rush say Complete Failure?)
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To: kingu

Buchanan lost quite a few.


16 posted on 07/06/2010 3:25:43 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: umgud
It's Time to Part Company
17 posted on 07/06/2010 3:27:08 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: truthfinder9
"While sycophants of Obama were claiming the border was more secure than ever, gun battles were breaking out just across the border in Mexico."

Baloney! Lets be more specific:

While sycophants of Obama were claiming the border was more secure than ever, the Federal government was posting signs on federal lands inside Arizona more than 60 miles inside the U.S. border warning citizens of the dangers posed by armed drug lords.

18 posted on 07/06/2010 3:27:51 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: bray

And King George was thrown out on his can and his little redcoated minions too.


19 posted on 07/06/2010 3:30:46 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: kingu

“Barry would sooner marry Hilary than go down in history as the first president to lose a state.”

One Marxism addled harridan or another.


20 posted on 07/06/2010 3:31:58 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: umgud

They did it back in the 19th Century.


21 posted on 07/06/2010 3:32:14 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: umgud
Try this one:

It's Time to Part Company

22 posted on 07/06/2010 3:33:02 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: truthfinder9
the oppressive Obama Regime

It's still somewhat surreal that we are talking about a tyrannical administration that is in power RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW in the United States.

And only about half of the citizens get it.
23 posted on 07/06/2010 3:36:56 PM PDT by Canedawg (...still not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: onedoug

Really? Do you think we will stand idly by and let this go on? Deputies, Police Officer and Citizen have been killed by Illegals. Sections of our State are being taken over by illegals.

Bank on it. It will be ignored. What a public relations nightmare: Obama refuses to protect border, yet will prosecute State Officials and Citizens trying to protect their lives.

The Revolution will start in AZ.


24 posted on 07/06/2010 3:40:50 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: untrained skeptic

You obviously don’t live here.


25 posted on 07/06/2010 3:42:02 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: truthfinder9

I think of it like this: what if there were a criminal gang producing counterfeit money in, say, Texas, but the Secret Service for whatever reason refused to pursue them. Would it not be legitimate for the state to deputize the Texas Rangers to go after them? It’s a simple matter of law enforcement.


26 posted on 07/06/2010 3:42:26 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("Why should I feed pirates?"--Russian officer off Somalia)
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To: umgud

“Obama would rather (and sooner) send troops to quash brash Arizonans than to stop criminal aliens”

Yes. I think he very much would do that. Eisenhower sent the National Guard to Little Rock, AR to force the integration of Central High School. So it’s not like it has never been done.

The Emperor of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, would not, I think, hesitate to use force on the Arizonans. But, it would have to be a situation where Arizona ignores a SCOTUS decision striking SB1070 down, and then proceeds ahead anyway.

Or. If Arizona ignores a Federal Court injunction to delay enforcement of SB1070.


27 posted on 07/06/2010 3:53:52 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: the invisib1e hand
"umm, washington will nuke it before they let that happen. they need the revenue."

And their water, energy, etc etc

28 posted on 07/06/2010 3:57:18 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

“The Revolution will start in AZ.”

You will find there are a hell of a lot of volunteers ready and able and willing to join Arizona’s ranks in fighting the tyranny that is gearing up to attack it.


29 posted on 07/06/2010 4:03:29 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
You're right I don't live there. However, I do have some faith that despite justified frustration with the federal government that the majority of people in Arizona have a reasonable grip on reality.

If Arizona seceeds it needs to come up with a military and a treasury. Since it is unlikely that other nations are going to be willing to lend the new nation of Arizona any money, and it would be landlocked and surrounded by the United States, and Mexico.

If the United States didn't just sweep in and squash the uprising, they could just prohibit any goods headed to Arizona from the states. Obviously stopping smuggling isn't one of our government's strong points, but that is a relatively small quantity of illicit goods, not everything the state might need.

I doubt Mexico would be a more friendly neighbor, and while the federales might be bribed I wouldn't want to try smuggling things by the cartels. Without the threat of the US federal government, I'd be seriously concerned how much the cartels might expand their violence against Arizona.

Arizona is an important part of the United States, but it is not prepared to become a nation.

I highly doubt the courts will uphold this politically motivated and frivolous lawsuit. However, if they do I would hope that it might finally mobilize voters to put better representatives in office.

Arizona has been doing a good job of leading the fight against illegal immigration through legal and political means. Seceeding would be a surrendering of that effort that would leave the rest of us weaker in our efforts, and leave Arizona in an unsustainable situation.

It would be foolhardy beyond belief.

30 posted on 07/06/2010 4:24:47 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

The first Federal shot that is fired will bring out every bit of that ammo that the conservatives have bought over the last two years.

This President may be an idiot but he has NO CLUE the can of worms that will open (or whoopass, whichever) if he sends troops to cut down AZ’s law.

I pray he gets a clue quickly. He needs it.


31 posted on 07/06/2010 4:28:11 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: NeverForgetBataan
Eisenhower sent the National Guard to Little Rock, AR to force the integration of Central High School. So it’s not like it has never been done.

Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne into Little Rock with bayonets drawn.

32 posted on 07/06/2010 4:30:51 PM PDT by Publius (Unless the Constitution is followed, it is simply a piece of paper.)
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To: truthfinder9

Landlocked, not an enviable position for a nation.


33 posted on 07/06/2010 4:34:31 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: truthfinder9

34 posted on 07/06/2010 4:40:29 PM PDT by Zakeet (The Big Wee Wee -- rapidly moving America from WTF to SNAFU to FUBAR)
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To: truthfinder9

The very first thing the AZ legal team needs to do is use discovery interrogatories to have Obama produce his birth certificate to prove he fulfills the requirements of office and that he has “standing” to order the Justice Dept. to pursue the lawsuit.

Any state legal team that goes to court with the Obama justice dept. needs to have the court require Obama to prove he is a legit president. If he can’t, then any law passed or lawsuit ordered under his “authority” is null and void.

Surely the state of AZ and any other state that finds themselves in court against the Obama regime needs to require those proofs. They obviously have “standing” if they’re being brought into court by Zero’s regime or by laws he has signed if he’s not qualified.


35 posted on 07/06/2010 4:58:00 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: untrained skeptic

We would just ignore the Feds. We’d have no choice.


36 posted on 07/06/2010 5:28:42 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Kartographer

Does Zona have any Sinators who have anything to say about this outrage??

Pray for America


37 posted on 07/06/2010 5:57:22 PM PDT by bray (Did Rush say Complete Failure?)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Couldn’t they withhold federal money as punishment?


38 posted on 07/06/2010 8:48:26 PM PDT by Grandma Conservative
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To: truthfinder9

If Zero and the Demwits begin to bail out the bankrupt blue states, I fully expect the secession movement in Texas to pick up steam. How long before red state taxpayers realize the scam that is the Democrat party?


39 posted on 07/06/2010 8:52:59 PM PDT by comps4spice (Obama is a clear and present danger.)
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To: comps4spice

It very well may pickup, but I doubt it will go very far unless it’s a movement to secede and join Mexico. Immigration and diversity have been unkind to my state. Too bad really since we do have what it takes to remain independent especially if backed by the rest of red state America.


40 posted on 07/07/2010 4:35:05 PM PDT by Grandma Conservative
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To: Grandma Conservative
Couldn’t they withhold federal money as punishment?

Maybe they could withhold for a fund to cover damages.

41 posted on 07/07/2010 4:36:05 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (we shall overcome a generation of affirmative action.)
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