Posted on 07/07/2010 8:21:33 PM PDT by colorcountry
Q: I read recently that the Catholic Church had rejected Mormon baptism, since their view of Christ and the Trinity is so unusual. But I have to ask: Are Mormons considered separated brothers and sisters? While their views are strange to say the least, they are still separated, and we should reach out to them. If we view them as something other than separated, doesn't that exclude ecumenism? I know that many view them as a cult, but aren't cult members separated as well?
A: The reason Mormons are not considered separated brethren is not because they aren't "separated" from the Church-they are-but they aren't "brethren" in the sense required.
The phrase separated brethren refers to those who, though separated from full communion with the Catholic Church, have been justified through baptism and are thus brethren in Christ. The Decree on Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio) of Vatican II teaches that "all who have been justified by faith in baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."
Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity, Mormon baptism is not valid, and Mormons are not considered separated brethren. For the same reason, outreach to them, while certainly a good thing, is not ecumenism, though it can include dialogue and social cooperation as well as efforts to evangelize them.
Great comparison - nice!
Perhaps this is his attempt to sneak away from the pretense of being conservative. If he claims that the Christians are persecuting him, he might become the ‘hold your nose’ candidate of the Democrats who want to punish their leaders for skittle rationing but wouldn’t want to vote for a true conservative. If Romney claims he’s being abused by evangelical Christians, the left may just try to embrace him to ‘teach’ their ‘leaders’ a lesson.
The internet age has shed light on mormonism. The "general public" has a much better understanding of the cult of mormonism because of it.
I have two equally valid reasons to not vote for Romney, his liberalism and his cultism.
This may be true but the article says he lost to Huckabee by 30 pts in IA? He lost 34-25, or 9 pts.
And “Religion Dispatches” blog is an objective informed source on the inner workings and strategies of the Romney campaign ?
I’m skeptical about the article’s bona fides, but it’s not unreasonable to write off the general bigot vote. Romney won’t get them regardless of the good or bad of his policies. That’s clear enough by now.
That’s not necessarily a net loss. It’s like Stormfront endorsing a candidate, the stink of those sorts drives off the larger saner side of the electorate.
Conservative christians would vote for a Mormon who is honest about the differences between LDS and historical trinitarian Christianity...as long as he is a conservative who will lower taxes, promote business, try to shrink government, and do a good job as commander in chief. Too bad Romney is none of the above.
I’d vote for morman John Huntsman for president but not his pro-abortion, global warming/climate change believing son.
He'll explain to everyone that Obamacare can be even better when he gets hold of it and the only problem with Romneycare in Mass is that the dems messed it up.
Romney the RINO will also say:
1. Abortion is a state's rights issue not a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness issue.
2. There has to be some limits on guns and gun ownership. Constitution not withstanding, it's only common sense.
3. As a nation we've invested too much in the military, we need to cut back on the military and devote our time, money and resources to this country.
4. We need to forget about the old concept of borders and unite the western hemisphere like the Europe has the European Union only better. Everyone gets into the US free and we all work together blah, blah, blah.
Re-write of a line in the article to make it more factual:
"Word from inside the Mitt Romney 2012 presidential campaign team is that Romney will abandon his 2008 strategy of seeking to win over fool social conservatives—evangelical or born-again Christians—for whom his Mormonism Socialist RINOism is a major deterrent."
Hey Nana,
Sorry, I posted my article correction before I read yours. I guess great minds think alike.
Just like before.
If Romney is anywhere near the 2012 contest, Obama wins.
RomneyCARE neutralizes ObamaCARE.
Romney support of illegals neutralizes Obama's.
Romney's parents of Mexican birth neutralize the Obama absent birth certificate issue.
Romney's destruction of Massachusetts neutralizes Obama's destruction of America.
Romney's destruction of the Mass. Constitution to impose gay marriage neutralizes Obama's destruction of the US Constitution.
And by making the carpetbagging backstabber the candidate,
given that Team Romney attacked Gov Palin during Election 2008 to throw the election to Obama,
most Americans would agree that the GOP would not deserve to win, anyway.
What a nut....it’s about his liberal views: pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-government health care.
It’s not about his mormonism at all for me...and for most. His mormonism is no selling point for many, but his chameleon politics will cause him to lose.
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out, OK??
I vote for them all the time. I don't really have a choice in Utah politics every social conservative is Mormon, but many so-called conservative Mormon's are NOT fiscally conservative (like Senators Hatch and Bennett).
I try to limit my vote to those who are BOTH like Congressman Jason Chaffetz.
Why are we still talking about this jerk?
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Because it is another way to continue her rage on Mormon she hates Mormons!
Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity,
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As I ponder this more trinity means 3 123 which right there is polytheistic because they are three Gods which many try to stuff into one substance, each has a seperate roll so in all reality it is 3 Gods cramed into one substance.
That is what the Catholic Church teaches about Mormonism.
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