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Traffic Citation Allegedly Becomes Deportation Threat
WOAI ^ | 7/7/10 | Berit Mason

Posted on 07/09/2010 7:05:24 AM PDT by laotzu

San Antonio - Pilar Esquivel admits she was in the wrong when she couldn't present her driver's license to a police officer during a traffic stop ... and that he had every right to issue her a ticket.

However, Esquivel says when a Shavano Park police officer then threatened her with immediate deportation when she could not show proof of legal residency... that's when she felt what's happening in Arizona could happen here.

"After (being pulled over) for the violation and when I could not prove my proper papers, it then went more towards illegal immigration; that I could not prove that I was legally here."

Her husband Edward says they had just finished moving and that her driver's license and residency documents were at their Dominion home.

They say the officer gave them ten minutes to produce her legal residency papers ... or they claim he threatened to arrest her and begin deportation proceedings.

"The officer said that she would be deported; that she would be put into a waiting cell and that she would be deported in three days," quotes Edward Esquivel, what he attests the officer told him.

He says it was impossible to get home to find the papers to provide them so quickly.

Shavano Park City manager Manuel Longoria says they're investigating to ensure against possible harrassment. He says all officers are trained in strict protocol to make sure they are administering the law --- no more and no less.

The Esquivels say they don't want trouble ... they just want to make sure that other legal immigrants who have papers and who want to cooperate with the law ... aren't unfairly targeted.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; enforcement; immigration
Shavano Park is a small, upper-middle class community surrounded by San Antonio.

The Dominion is a small, rich & ultra-rich community at the edge of San Antonio.

1 posted on 07/09/2010 7:05:27 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu
Her husband Edward says they had just finished moving and that her driver's license and residency documents were at their Dominion home.

Which is a violation of FEDERAL law.

2 posted on 07/09/2010 7:07:58 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: laotzu

I suspect that deportation “procedings” involve determining whether or not the suspect is in fact illeagl.

This is pure circus. Never, ever, not one time will a legal be deported.


3 posted on 07/09/2010 7:08:36 AM PDT by getitright (If you call this HOPE, can we give despair a shot?)
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To: dirtboy

IOW, Tough ‘Merde.’ What kind of MORON doesn’t take their driver’s license along when they drive?


4 posted on 07/09/2010 7:10:08 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: laotzu

5 posted on 07/09/2010 7:11:16 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: getitright

“License and registration please.”
But “I was born,,,, in East LA.”


6 posted on 07/09/2010 7:11:43 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: laotzu

I smell a setup and a scam.


7 posted on 07/09/2010 7:12:30 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: laotzu

Surely she must know federal law requires her to have her documentation on her person all the time when out and about ... It’s a simple fix, a white friend, who is Canadian and is here on a Green Card, did the same, the police asked her to come to the station, where her husband brought down her papers. No big deal, easily solved.

So what happens when you are stopped by police and don’t have a license on you, which you are legally required to do ... Same thing actually. Happens a lot in Florida, where bathing suits are often the only attire.


8 posted on 07/09/2010 7:13:50 AM PDT by Tarpon (Obama-Speak ... the fusion of sophistry and Newspeak. It's not a gift, it's just lies.)
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To: laotzu

People who were born in this country, and who are life-long residents of Texas, are required to have their drivers licenses with them when they are operating a vehicle. But these people apparently think the laws that we have to abide by do not apply to them, and are claiming “harassment.” What a load.


9 posted on 07/09/2010 7:14:00 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: laotzu

She was also in the wrong for not having her immigration papers, but I guess that doesn’t matter.

Now she’s learned a valuable lesson that she should’ve learned when she entered the US.

Welcome to America, Ma’am.
Obey the rules.


10 posted on 07/09/2010 7:14:15 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: laotzu

Really doesn’t pass the smell test.


11 posted on 07/09/2010 7:14:21 AM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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To: laotzu

She could not produce her driver’s license...
Sounds like reasonable suspicion to me!!


12 posted on 07/09/2010 7:15:02 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee ("In a time of universal deceit,telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"-George Orwell)
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To: laotzu
"that's when she felt what's happening in Arizona could happen here. "

NOTHING is happening in ARizona...the law doesn't take effect until the end of the month.

The biggest reason to throw "illegal immigrants" out of this country is, they don't know what the word "illegal" means.

Based on the numbers of crimes, including welfare fraud, Social Security Fraud, and tax fraud, just being here is not the only thing they are doing that is "illegal".

Illegal, is illegal, is illegal.
13 posted on 07/09/2010 7:16:51 AM PDT by FrankR ( If we don't stand up to tyranny, the tyrants win, and we're enslaved.)
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To: laotzu

The Esquivels say they don’t want trouble ... they just want to make sure that other legal immigrants who have papers and who want to cooperate with the law ... aren’t unfairly targeted.

Sounds to me she was ‘targeted FAIRLY’. She broke the law (no drivers license on her), and compounded that with breaking MORE laws (traffic citation).


14 posted on 07/09/2010 7:17:12 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder (The press wants “Camelot II - The Return of JFK”, and not “Peanuts II - that’s all you’ll have)
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To: dirtboy
Which is a violation of FEDERAL law.

Our son-in-law is a legal immigrant, and you are correct: you have to carry them with you AT ALL TIMES and produce them on demand. That's the law, and he follows it strictly. Why don't they have to ?

15 posted on 07/09/2010 7:18:05 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: AlexW

That’s my first take on this too. It just doesn’t pass the “smell” test.


16 posted on 07/09/2010 7:19:32 AM PDT by wolfpat (Moderate=Clueless)
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To: AlexW
I smell a setup and a scam.

Bingo, you win!!!!

17 posted on 07/09/2010 7:20:07 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: FrankR

Am I crazy, or is it possible for a cop to run your name and vehicle tag number through a computer in the cop’s car and to have a person’s license verified right there? If it’s not possible, it should be. In AZ the ticket for not having a drivers license on your person during a traffic stop is astronomical. But it is easily discharged when the license is later presented. But cops can determine if someone does actually have a valid drivers license that was accidentally left behind.


18 posted on 07/09/2010 7:26:09 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: laotzu

What does moving have to do with her not having her license with her? Doesn’t she keep it in her wallet?


19 posted on 07/09/2010 7:27:18 AM PDT by kitkat (OBAMA hates us. Well, maybe a LOT of Kenyans do.)
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To: laotzu
Watch for a string of these set-ups now that Holder has filed the suit against AZ. I'm surprised it's taken this long.

These rehearsed street-theater scenarios will be taking place in pulled-over cars with regularity.

When will cops wear tape recorders to obviate these "he-said, she-said" confrontations? If they can videotape from their vehicles, why can't they audiotape from the shirt pockets of their uniforms?

I could have written the amateurish dialogue for the above conversation myself. You can almost hear the script rattle.

Leni

20 posted on 07/09/2010 7:30:58 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: laotzu

“After (being pulled over) for the violation and when I could not prove my proper papers, it then went more towards illegal immigration; that I could not prove that I was legally here.”

Duhhh... If I was pulled over in ANY country on earth I could expect the same questions. Actually, I would expect WORSE and immediately!

This is a an effort on HER part ot make it into something other than it is, pure and simple!


21 posted on 07/09/2010 7:31:11 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: laotzu
Try this in Mexico, Germany, etc. In Europe, many of the countries are state size and you have to present passports when crossing ANY border. Try the "oh I forgot my papers" dodge, go directly to jail until a relative, embassy person, etc. bails your butt out.

This is the left in full action mode, making the violation of our laws into racism for political gain.

Repubs better get a voice and start some positive ads--like "we welcome LEGAL immigrants who want to become American and respect our laws." Then ask ALL races to join in keeping our laws instead of breaking into ethnic victim groups.

The Houston, TX candidate for gov. is using EXACTLY this racist dodge to rile the Hispanics to vote for him instead of Perry, and polls show it is working. So Repubs better WAKE UP. They can look to Michelle Bachmann and Sarah to see how to grow some brass ones. These two make Mitch and Johnny look like the wusses they are.

vaudine

22 posted on 07/09/2010 7:34:12 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: laotzu
"Her husband Edward says they had just finished moving and that her driver's license and residency documents were at their Dominion home."

Only a Democrat would think moving was an excuse for driving without your license.

Was she naked, too, because all her clothes were at their Dominion home?

23 posted on 07/09/2010 7:36:15 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: AlexW

I live next door to Shavano Park. Their police force is small and very professional. I seriously doubt the police officer said this.

What I would be curious about is where the couple moved from? The Dominion is million dollar homes.


24 posted on 07/09/2010 7:42:33 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Conservatives are producers. Liberals are parasites)
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To: petitfour
cops can determine if someone does actually have a valid drivers license that was accidentally left behind

A San Antonio officer did just that for me.

I told him my DL#(not SSN in Texas), and gave him my checkbook. He confirmed the # matched the name & address on my check, and let me go with a warning.

25 posted on 07/09/2010 7:49:02 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

A driver’s license is proof enough for legal status.

However, she could not produce it.

When they ran the tags, they should have come up with her name and address in addition to insurance information.

If they didn’t run the tag, then the police are at fault but I suspect they did and found the names match but for the old address.

She is using her status as a crutch to not have paperwork that even an American born citizen must have. It is not unreasonable to have paperwork for status on your person.

Immigration status is only one aspect she needs legal paperwork processed. Driver’s license and insurance in addition to vehicle registration.


26 posted on 07/09/2010 7:49:58 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
curious about is where the couple moved from

I get the impression from the article they are moving from Shavano Park to the Dominion.

27 posted on 07/09/2010 7:52:15 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: AlexW

Same here.

Shavano Park and the Dominion, it seemsto me, are almost exclusively liberal.

I cannot imagine a Shavano Park cop threatening anybody with deportation. It’s a very gentrified little township. Very nice place.

I don’t think this happened.


28 posted on 07/09/2010 8:00:10 AM PDT by squarebarb
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This is BS. She wasn’t turned over to ICE. She wasn’t deported. And we have only her word that the cops threatened her with deportation. A non story.
The article does not say, but the suggestion is that she is a legal resident/green card holder, not a US CITIZEN. Federal law requires that green card holders carry this card on their person at all times. If she did not have it, she has no beef. No license, no green card: another south of the border scofflaw.


29 posted on 07/09/2010 8:10:20 AM PDT by Godwin1 (Of course,)
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To: laotzu
They say the officer gave them ten minutes to produce her legal residency papers ...

Geez....most jurisdictions give you 24 hours to produce a driver's license if it is not on your person when requested.

30 posted on 07/09/2010 8:15:24 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (A fearless person cannot be controlled.)
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To: Tarpon

“Happens a lot in Florida, where bathing suits are often the only attire.”

TTIUWP!


31 posted on 07/09/2010 8:26:18 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: laotzu

BS and absolutely a setup! Stupid, stupid liberals!


32 posted on 07/09/2010 8:29:33 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: La Lydia

People who were born in this country, and who are life-long residents of Texas, are required to have their drivers licenses with them when they are operating a vehicle. But these people apparently think the laws that we have to abide by do not apply to them, and are claiming “harassment.” What a load.”

Exactly. Every time (every day for many) that I cross the ORegon/California border, I am stopped and have to prove I don’t have any vegetables or plants!


33 posted on 07/09/2010 8:35:59 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: petitfour

It’s not only ‘possible’, it is routine, and perhaps mandatory that the cop looks up the driver’s record after a traffic stop.


34 posted on 07/09/2010 8:39:13 AM PDT by maica (Freedom consists not in doing what we like,but in having the right to do what we ought. John Paul II)
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To: petitfour
But cops can determine if someone does actually have a valid drivers license that was accidentally left behind.

The only problem is that without the actual license, you cannot determine if the license is for the person you stopped, or if the driver just gave you the name of a licensed driver... The picture ID helps to verify that the person you stopped is really the person who is licensed to drive.

35 posted on 07/09/2010 9:02:41 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: CA Conservative

Yes, but the DMV has the photo on file. Why can’t cops access that photo during a routine check? And usually a person is driving a vehicle associated with the same address as what is on his/her license.


36 posted on 07/09/2010 9:05:51 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: CA Conservative

My last post to you reminds me of a time when my license was either lost or stolen, I can’t remember which. Anywho, I went to the DMV/MVD to get a replacement, and they asked me for a photo ID. I think I found something to give them, but I had to ask the intelligent persons working there why they didn’t just use the photo on the screen to verify that I was who I said. I had my birth certificate and social security card. And they had a photo right there. It was less than two years old. But the law did not allow them to use the photo that was used for my actual identification. It was one of those shake your head moments.

There was another time when this happened to me, and I happened to be a college student. My purse must’ve been stolen because I had zero photo ID. The drivers license place told me a student ID would be sufficient. So I went to the university I was attending and asked for a new photo ID. What did I need to get that ID?????? Nothing. I just walked in and filled out a form. They took my picture. I took my new university ID to the MVD/DMV, and they accepted that photo ID. This was almost 20 years ago, and I thought the system was really messed up. After living in multiple states, I’ve determined they all have major flaws. I don’t think 9/11 made them much better—only more inconvenient.


37 posted on 07/09/2010 9:13:06 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: laotzu
” they just want to make sure that other legal immigrants who have papers and who want to cooperate with the law ... aren't unfairly targeted.”

Except you DIDNT HAVE YOUR PAPERS. You are not a citizen. Being here legally, isn't being a citizen honey. I don't like to carry my wallet, but every time I leave the house, I take it with me since it has my drivers license in it. I AM a citizen though. I have never moved, and left my drivers license at my old house. The naked analogy was spot on. This is a set up, absolutely.

38 posted on 07/09/2010 9:14:52 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: laotzu

The police officer was quite right to cite her, and possibly correct even to detain her, until she established her identity. But if it can be proven that he said what was alleged, he should be fired.

Along with the majority of good people, police work unfortunately attracts a minority of bullies who sometimes give all officers a bad name. Such behavior should be strongly discouraged. Our police can be strict and fair without being petty and cruel.


39 posted on 07/09/2010 10:02:46 AM PDT by devere
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To: laotzu

Hey guys. DON’T be surprised by this attitude. Mexicans STILL consider Texas a part of Mexico. They were force-fed as children that Texas was “stolen” from Mexico”

It’s almost like a pert of their brain is HARD wired to think they have a BIRTHRIGHT to travel in Texas at will.


40 posted on 07/09/2010 10:53:41 AM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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41 posted on 07/09/2010 2:29:27 PM PDT by HiJinx (I can see November from the front porch - and Mexico from the back.)
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To: petitfour

Yes, but the DMV has the photo on file. Why can’t cops access that photo during a routine check? And usually a person is driving a vehicle associated with the same address as what is on his/her license.>>>>>>>>>>>>

I’m sure in some jurisdictions they can. It depends on whether the police car has a display that can display an image well. I think by now all states have digitized their driver’s licenses. It was a federal law I think. The digitized photo can be transmitted though perhaps it takes longer than just the text on the license


42 posted on 07/09/2010 3:18:38 PM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: laotzu

Who wants to bet whether this woman and her husband are RAT operatives?


43 posted on 07/09/2010 8:44:43 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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