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Top cop: 'Entire city should be enraged' by officer's slaying
Chicago Breaking NewsCenter online ^ | 7/9/10 | William Lee

Posted on 07/09/2010 10:40:52 AM PDT by originalbuckeye

Chicago Supt. Jody Weis said today he "simply cannot understand" how the man charged with gunning down an officer "can have such a total disregard of life."

"The entire department is saddened beyond belief," Weis said hours after Bryant Brewer, 24, was charged. "The entire city should be enraged."

Brewer is accused of grabbing Officer Thor Soderberg's gun and fatally shooting him in the parking lot of a police facility in Englewood Wednesday afternoon. He was shot and wounded by officers and remains at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn.

"I simply cannot understand how a person can have such a total disregard of life and for those who keep order on our streets that he could attack, disarm and then shoot and kill a uniformed police officer in broad daylight," Weis said at police headquarters, 3510 S. Michigan Ave.

Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis discusses the murder of Officer Thor Soderberg at a press conference at police headquarters this morning. (Alex Garcia/Tribune)

Weis said Soderberg, 43, was leaving work at the police facility at 61st Street and Racine Avenue to play in a volleyball game. He was an instructor at the police training academy but had been deployed to a special task force aimed at combating youth violence.

"This is the time of the day where officers breathe a sigh of relief. Their tour is over and now they get to be with their families and their friends," Weis said. "However because of the incomprehensible acts of a 24-year-old convicted felon, Officer Soderberg did not make it to that volleyball game. Officer Soderberg was killed by this vicious criminal," Weis said.

The 11-year police veteran was still in uniform in the facility's parking lot when Brewer approached him from behind and reached for the officer's weapon, according to police.

During a struggle, Brewer grabbed Soderberg's handgun and shot the officer, authorities said. Brewer then crossed the street, weapon still in hand, and shot at Richard Mints, a contractor sitting on a nearby porch.

Officers rushed to the scene and shot Brewer during an exchange of gunfire.

Brewer did later "make an admission" to the crime, said Wentworth Area Detective Allen Szudarski.

Weis praised Englewood residents, saying 18 witnesses came forward after the shooting.

Asked about what could be done about security at police parking lots, Weis said police facilities have video surveillance, but added that little could be done to prevent such attacks by people with little regard for human life.

"There's really no level of security you can put up that will prevent a person like that from attacking someone. And unfortunately we lost an officer in this case," he said.

Weis couldn't confirm claims by Brewer's family about the suspect having a history of mental illness. "From everything we've seen so far, we have somebody who was just trying to rob and attack an individual, and that individual had to be a police officer. So I don't know what was going through this guy's head, why he would attack a police officer in broad daylight. That's something, I guess, only he will know," Weis said.

Weis praised the fallen officer, who he said had a passion for teaching police recruits. "He was as good as a police officer can be," Weis said.

A bond hearing for Brewer, of the 5800 block of South Wolcott Avenue, is expected to be held at noon. He is charged with murder, attempted murder and armed robbery.


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The whole country will soon be a reflection of Chicago if we can't stop Obama's 'Justice' Dept from ignoring crimes committed by minorities. Chicago is a cesspool of crime in all areas of the city, upscale or poor, but worse in the poorer areas. Coming soon to a country we love.
1 posted on 07/09/2010 10:40:55 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

Now that the Supt. understands such predators are out there I wonder if he thinks people should have a right to defend themselves.


2 posted on 07/09/2010 10:45:35 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: originalbuckeye

Contrast this “rage” when a cop is killed with the complete lack thereof when a cop murders an innocent civilian.

But don’t worry. There is no link...


3 posted on 07/09/2010 10:48:55 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: paul51
Now that the Supt. understands such predators are out there I wonder if he thinks people should have a right to defend themselves.

Reason will never change the mind of someone who did not use reason to make up his mind in the first place.

4 posted on 07/09/2010 10:51:14 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: originalbuckeye

This should outrage everyone. What should also outrage everyone is the fact that the shooter has had 21 arrests, one for shooting his own brother back in 2006, and he was still out on the streets.


5 posted on 07/09/2010 10:54:57 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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To: Filo

Are you referring to the recent ‘involuntary manslaughter’ verdict in the Oakland case?


6 posted on 07/09/2010 10:55:25 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye
Are you referring to the recent ‘involuntary manslaughter’ verdict in the Oakland case?

That and many, many more instances of cops literally getting away with murder.
7 posted on 07/09/2010 10:58:02 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo

Example of such a “murder”? Im sure you can supply examples of sad mistakes, tragic errors, and poor training, which guys liky you love to exploit,,,, but few “murders”.


8 posted on 07/09/2010 10:58:20 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Example of such a “murder”? Im sure you can supply examples of sad mistakes, tragic errors, and poor training, which guys liky you love to exploit,,,, but few “murders”.

No, they are examples of murder. Poor training and bad attitudes might be contributing factors, but a cop killing an innocent without cause is still murder regardless of what the apologists claim.
9 posted on 07/09/2010 11:00:34 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

My outrage is directed against the fact that there seems to be a consensus amongst those who knew the shooter that he is mentally ill and yet he doesn’t seem to have been adequately treated or been incarcerated for being a danger to himself and others....


10 posted on 07/09/2010 11:06:21 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: originalbuckeye
"... The 11-year police veteran was still in uniform in the facility's parking lot when Brewer approached him from behind and reached for the officer's weapon, according to police.

During a struggle, Brewer grabbed Soderberg's handgun and shot the office."

Truly awful, but all the officers I see in Nevada and California are using Serpa retention holsters and have been for some time.

11 posted on 07/09/2010 11:07:21 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Agreed.


12 posted on 07/09/2010 11:08:36 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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To: Filo

What I see is a complete lack of outrage when police are murdered. In Oakland, the community rallied behind the murderer who killed several officers.

In Chicago, there is no outrage in the community over this killing, but there is plenty of outrage over cases of police brutality. There was no outrage in the community when another officer was killed earlier this year and there was no outrage in the community when another Chicago officer was robbed of his gun, badge and wallet moments after his squad crashed while responding to a call. The officer had suffered a broken neck and severe spinal injuries, but one of the fine members of the community went into the car and moved the severely injured officer, making his spinal injuries much worse so he could rob an injured man.

Just as another example. There was plenty of outrage over Rodney King’s beating, but where was the outrage over Reginald Denny’s life altering beating by rioters? Where was the outrage when his attackers were set free?


13 posted on 07/09/2010 11:10:45 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: The KG9 Kid

Maybe that will be the nationwide standard now. I hadn’t heard of this before now. Great idea.


14 posted on 07/09/2010 11:12:52 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Filo

Citing Oakland as “murder” is stupidity. A poorly trained and equipped officer intended to fire a taser and grabbed his similarly shaped pistol. It was a mistake borne of that terrible training. Those are never supposed to be worn in a location that can lead to such a mistake.

Outrageously bad training by BART Police,,yes, Poor supervision by his Sergeant, yes,,,, manslaughter, yes,, massive lawsuit, yes. BUT not the slightest intent to do anything but an honest cop trying to arrest a guy anyone can see needed to be stopped.

Not even the same as someone who *sets out* to commit murder.


15 posted on 07/09/2010 11:14:47 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: MediaMole
What I see is a complete lack of outrage when police are murdered. In Oakland, the community rallied behind the murderer who killed several officers.

And you wonder why that is when the police can murder civilians with impunity?

Do you really expect the victims to have sympathy for the jackboots?

In those "counter" examples you cite, were the police outraged at all, or did they make excuses for their brethren? Poor training, chaotic situation, lack of experience, etc?
16 posted on 07/09/2010 11:19:24 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: originalbuckeye

This thread was about a local leader who correctly said that the community should be outraged that this decent sounding man was murdered in cold blood. 18 witnesses came out to say what they saw. That can be rare in some neighborhoods,,,, so it sounds like they were outraged.

But it’s weird that such a story instantly brings out knee-jerk cop hatred in some. Nothing in *this story* should have brought such animosities to the front of anyones mind.

It’s a strange little subculture with some conservatives to instantly hate all cops. Nobody should slavishly support cops no matter what, but reflexive dislike is more in line with a leftist WTO protester type.


17 posted on 07/09/2010 11:24:57 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Citing Oakland as “murder” is stupidity.

No, any finding but murder is stupidity. Mehserle had his taser out, put it away, pulled out his gun and fired but we're expected to believe that he made a mistake? Really?

A poorly trained and equipped officer intended to fire a taser and grabbed his similarly shaped pistol. It was a mistake borne of that terrible training. Those are never supposed to be worn in a location that can lead to such a mistake.

Apologist, boot-licking nonsense.

Outrageously bad training by BART Police,,yes, Poor supervision by his Sergeant, yes,,,, manslaughter, yes,, massive lawsuit, yes. BUT not the slightest intent to do anything but an honest cop trying to arrest a guy anyone can see needed to be stopped.

So it's perfectly okay to use a taser on a person who is on his belly, isn't struggling, is in cuffs and is under the control of two other cops eh? Brilliant. You must be a cop.

Not even the same as someone who *sets out* to commit murder.

Murder 2 would be adequate although I still think a reasonable jury (with a reasonable judge) could have used the facts mentioned above to find murder 1.
18 posted on 07/09/2010 11:25:36 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: paul51

“Now that the Supt. understands such predators are out there I wonder if he thinks people should have a right to defend themselves.”

Mayor Daley will use this incident to further restrict guns. Since this happened to an armed officer of the law he will argue that if it were a private citizen the gun would have been easier to take away and use. You know the twisted logic they use.


19 posted on 07/09/2010 11:29:47 AM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: Filo
Contrast this “rage” when a cop is killed with the complete lack thereof when a cop murders an innocent civilian.

What kind of leftist lying freak are you?

Ya think the Bart cop intentionally murdered this guy in broad day light in front of all his co-workers and dozens of by-standers?

The Bart cop was in the process of performing his job, going after thugs on a train...He made a huge terrible mistake and will serve time in prison...It was not intentional murder, you AH.

Your criminal piece of sh*t in Chicago was a violent known felon, that went after and INTENTIONALLY MURDERED this cop....

You AH....

20 posted on 07/09/2010 11:32:04 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Filo

One think ive learned here at FR,, is that if someone strongly dislikes Cops, Jews, France, Iceland etc,,, that there’s not much realistic chance for rational discourse.

So ok,, you are right. That cop in Oakland MURDERED that guy! He thought,, “i’ll put away this Taser,, then bust a cap in him”. Than you for teaching us that it wasn’t an accident. And i bet all the cops around laughed about it too. I’ve been so wrong!/


21 posted on 07/09/2010 11:34:18 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Only an idiot would think the Bart cop intentionally murdered this guy in broad day light in front of all his co-workers and dozens of by-standers....

They know damn well this was unintentional.

22 posted on 07/09/2010 11:37:32 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Filo
"And you wonder why that is when the police can murder civilians with impunity?"
I think you've been watching too many movies...

23 posted on 07/09/2010 11:41:42 AM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: Bluebeard16

“Mayor Daley will use this incident to further restrict guns.”

Exactly right. No exaggeration, i think Daley is more likely to deploy unarmed cops, or to have them turn in guns at the end of the shift, than to decide citizens need to be armed.

He is truly a deranged statist drunk on his father’s corrupt “tough guy” reputation. He has nothing but contempt for normal people (including 99% of cops into that same category)


24 posted on 07/09/2010 11:42:59 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Filo
"Mehserle had his taser out, put it away, pulled out his gun and fired but we're expected to believe that he made a mistake? Really? "
Do you have a link for that? (other than Kos and the DUmmies?)
25 posted on 07/09/2010 11:45:30 AM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: Filo

Aren’t you late for your ACLU meeting?


26 posted on 07/09/2010 11:46:40 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: dragnet2
What kind of leftist lying freak are you?

ROFL. Typical ad-hominem from those who have nothing intelligent to contribute.

No surprise there.

Ya think the Bart cop intentionally murdered this guy in broad day light in front of all his co-workers and dozens of by-standers?

Pretty much, yeah.

"Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter."

There was no reason for Mehserle to have his gun out and yet he put his taser away to draw it. There wasn't even a reason for the taser. That falls well within "dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life."

You'll note that none of his coworkers had any weapons out, lethal or otherwise.

The Bart cop was in the process of performing his job, going after thugs on a train...He made a huge terrible mistake and will serve time in prison...It was not intentional murder, you AH.

Yes it was. It may not have been premeditated (although I firmly believe that replacing a taser with a pistol qualifies as premeditation since that didn't happen by accident) but it was murder.

Your criminal piece of sh*t in Chicago was a violent known felon, that went after and INTENTIONALLY MURDERED this cop....

That is correct. And how would you feel if that "criminal piece of sh*t" got 4 years for his murder?

You AH....

Lack of control. Contempt for civilians. Minimal brainpower. Apologist for bad cop behavior. Ayup, we've found ourselves another cop.
27 posted on 07/09/2010 11:50:29 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: dragnet2

“They know damn well this was unintentional.”

It’s part of the mentality that truly believes cops cover up for each other. I can’t think of another profession that more regularly polices itself, (”polices”,,for want of a better term)

How many lawyers, doctors, politicians, bankers, judges, truckers, oilmen, airline pilots, etc,,, report and stop it when they discover criminal wrongdoing within their own professions? It’s not even close,,,,
It’s always a good belly laugh when attorneys and judges speak of a “wall of silence”,,, etc,,
You want a man bites dog story,, find stories of lawyers and Judges turning in their peers for smoking pot or driving drunk on the weekends.

Meanwhile, every week you can find a story of a cop arresting another cop for DWI.


28 posted on 07/09/2010 11:52:35 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: astyanax
I think you've been watching too many movies...

Nope. Just reading the news.

I could cite dozens to hundreds of cases if I needed to.

Hell Cato has nearly that many for just SWAT murders.
29 posted on 07/09/2010 11:54:09 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: DesertRhino
One think ive learned here at FR,, is that if someone strongly dislikes Cops, Jews, France, Iceland etc,,, that there’s not much realistic chance for rational discourse.

Add bootlickers to your list.

As for disliking cops, the evidence makes that all but mandatory.

So ok,, you are right. That cop in Oakland MURDERED that guy! He thought,, “i’ll put away this Taser,, then bust a cap in him”. Than you for teaching us that it wasn’t an accident. And i bet all the cops around laughed about it too. I’ve been so wrong!/

Welcome back to reality.

And regarding the other cops. I wonder why nobody arrested Mehserle? It's that thin blue line thing...
30 posted on 07/09/2010 11:54:21 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo
In checking your posting history, every post on record has been to bash police officers. You obviously have an agenda.

Perhaps DU or the Daily Kos might be a better fit for you.

31 posted on 07/09/2010 11:54:52 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: astyanax
Do you have a link for that? (other than Kos and the DUmmies?)

Posted elsewhere and it's from ABC News which ain't much better than KOS, but:

This article states that: "Oscar Grant took a cell phone picture of BART officer Johannes Mehserle holding a Taser, just moments before he pulled his gun and shot and killed Grant on a BART platform on New Year's Day 2009."

The same information made several major news services.

I haven't seen the picture(s) in question but believe that they were used in court as well.

So anyone who believes the story that Mehserle mistook weapons when he clearly swapped them is an idiot. a boot-licker or both, plain and simple.
32 posted on 07/09/2010 11:59:26 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo

Watch the video.
He’s wrestling with the kid.
He pulls out the what he thinks is his taser.
Check out his reaction after the shot.
Obviously an accident.
Your claim that he put away his taser to draw his gun is either dishonest or ignorant.


33 posted on 07/09/2010 12:00:12 PM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: bwc2221
Aren’t you late for your ACLU meeting?

If the ACLU and I agree on this (which I doubt) then it'll be the first time ever.

Thanks for the attempted ad-hominem.
34 posted on 07/09/2010 12:00:59 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: bwc2221
In checking your posting history, every post on record has been to bash police officers. You obviously have an agenda.

Every post, eh? Honesty is too much for you, right?

Perhaps DU or the Daily Kos might be a better fit for you.

And you'd likely feel more comfortable in an SS uniform.
35 posted on 07/09/2010 12:03:03 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo
Ya think the Bart cop intentionally murdered this guy in broad day light in front of all his co-workers and dozens of by-standers?

Pretty much, yeah.

Of course ya do freak boy.

36 posted on 07/09/2010 12:03:20 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: astyanax
Watch the video.

I have. Clearly you haven't.

He’s wrestling with the kid.

No he isn't.

He pulls out the what he thinks is his taser.

But he just put his taser away...

Check out his reaction after the shot.

I couldn't care less how a murderer reacts to his crime.

Obviously an accident.

Not to a reasonable observer it ain't.

Your claim that he put away his taser to draw his gun is either dishonest or ignorant.

So my citing news sources and facts is dishonest and ignorant while you making specious claims without evidence and pretending that you know what Mehserle was thinking is what?
37 posted on 07/09/2010 12:06:45 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: dragnet2
Of course ya do freak boy.

More brainless blather from the boot-lickers. Look at the evidence. That's all I had to do.

Mehserle put away his taser in order to draw is sidearm and then shot an innocent, restrained man in the back.

That's as simple as it gets for those with brains. Cops and boot-lickers, however, don't have that qualification.
38 posted on 07/09/2010 12:09:47 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo

Howzabout us Crackers go on a rampage and steal some shoes for retribution?


39 posted on 07/09/2010 12:10:05 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Filo
He may have had his taser out at one point, but it was several MINUTES before the shooting happened.
There are 2 cops trying to restrain the victim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy-WSZMklc
You are obviously not "a reasonable observer"...

40 posted on 07/09/2010 12:14:51 PM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: Filo
"Mehserle put away his taser in order to draw is sidearm.."
Watch the video. You're embarrassing yourself.
41 posted on 07/09/2010 12:18:13 PM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: originalbuckeye
We've let a paranoid nut-job hijack a post about a police officer being killed and turn it into his personal grudge against law enforcement officers.

I am out of here.

42 posted on 07/09/2010 12:23:19 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: astyanax
He may have had his taser out at one point, but it was several MINUTES before the shooting happened.

Your proof for that timeline is? And, so what? The point is that he knew where his taser was when he took it out and then when he put it back. You expect me to believe that the third time's a charm for making the mistake? And why would he put it away only to take it out again?

There are 2 cops trying to restrain the victim. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy-WSZMklc

They are succeeding in restraining the victim. He is on his belly, partially in cuffs with two cops on his back.

He isn't struggling. They are yanking him around to put the cuffs on him in their typical gentle way, but he is not fighting back.

You are obviously not "a reasonable observer"...

So on the one hand we have me saying that a restrained civilian shouldn't be shot in the back and killed and on the other we have you saying that it's perfectly reasonable for a cop to shoot a guy who is clearly under the control of two other cops and I am the unreasonable one? Really?
43 posted on 07/09/2010 12:25:23 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Eagles6
Howzabout us Crackers go on a rampage and steal some shoes for retribution?

I'm not really a big fan of riots, but I do need some new shoes... :)


44 posted on 07/09/2010 12:26:23 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: astyanax
Watch the video. You're embarrassing yourself.

I have watched many of the videos and read the news. That's why I know the facts, at least moreso than you.

I am, however, embarassed - for the boot-lickers.
45 posted on 07/09/2010 12:27:21 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo
I'm not really a big fan of riots, but I do need some new shoes... :)

How about gun stores? (after hours, of course) I could use a few more guns...and more ammo too.
47 posted on 07/09/2010 12:28:31 PM PDT by ZX12R (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!)
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To: astyanax
I’m just saying you’re a moron.
Enough said...


Typical last refuge of those who have nothing on their side.
48 posted on 07/09/2010 12:31:59 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: ZX12R
How about gun stores? (after hours, of course) I could use a few more guns...and more ammo too.

You can never have too many guns or too much ammo.
49 posted on 07/09/2010 12:35:15 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Filo

I need size 12, just sayin’.


50 posted on 07/09/2010 12:36:55 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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