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Has 'standing' been created in hunt for Obama birth doc?Judges threaten penalties for seeking info
World Net Daily ^ | July 8, 2010 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 07/09/2010 10:31:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A decision by Judges Dolores Sloviter, Maryanne Trump Barry and Thomas Hardiman of the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals may have opened the door to questions on the record about President Obama's birth documentation and eligibility to be president, according to an attorney in the case.

The judges' opinion recently dismissed as "frivolous" an appeal of a lower-court decision throwing out questions about whether the British Nationality Act of 1948 made Obama, at his birth to an American mother and Kenyan father, a subject of the British crown, thus possibly making him ineligible under the Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural born citizen."

The case filed was against Obama, Congress and others, just before Obama was sworn into office, arguing that Obama was a British subject and not a U.S. citizen.

"We further contend that Obama has failed to even conclusively prove that he is at least a 'citizen of the United States' under the Fourteenth Amendment as he claims by conclusively proving that he was born in Hawaii," the lawsuit claimed.

Named as defendants are Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, the House of Representatives, former Vice President Dick Cheney and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The case alleges Congress failed to follow the Constitution, which "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."

A lower court dismissed the action, claiming the plaintiffs lack "standing" to make a claim about an alleged violation of the Constitution – meaning they weren't personally "injured" by the act.

The 3rd Circuit agreed.

"It is axiomatic that standing to sue is a prerequisite to Article III jurisdiction," the opinion said. "This constitutional mandate requires that appellants show, inter alia, an 'injury in fact.'"

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho44; birthcertificate; certifigate; congress; illegal; illegitimate; ineligible; kenyabelieveit; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamanoncitizenissue
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Curiouser and couriouser...
1 posted on 07/09/2010 10:31:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Every citizen is impacted by the president... Just check obamacare

And to claim that every case brought ‘has no standing’ is just another example of the lawlessness we are living under

When do we start to disregard those in power? It’s not like they are following the Constitution or anything


2 posted on 07/09/2010 10:36:47 PM PDT by sten
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To: sten

When do we start to disregard those in power?

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I am sure it is already underway.


3 posted on 07/09/2010 10:37:50 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (How many Michael Steele gaffes does it take to make a pattern?)
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To: sten

Have you seen this?

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


4 posted on 07/09/2010 10:38:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Most lawyers are seriously concerned for their own pocket books when an Appeals Court dismisses their case as frivolous..so this is indeed curious
5 posted on 07/09/2010 10:39:50 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why doesn't some judge or court order obamma to produce irrefutable evidence that he is American-born citizen, once and for all, so we can put all this behind us once and for all. If obamma is American-born, then let the birthers shut up. If not, obamma needs to resign.

Why obamma insists on dragging this out, when if he American-born and can prove, is beyond me? I suspect obamma cannot prove it, and in fact may not be American-born.

6 posted on 07/09/2010 10:41:20 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m confused....
Where’s “curiosity”...?

Will HE explain this to us?


7 posted on 07/09/2010 10:45:47 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: rawhide
"Why doesn't some judge or court order obamma to produce irrefutable evidence that he is American-born citizen..."

There has been no court trial where such evidence would be heard, because nobody has had a valid case.

It's the lawyers filing these pointless suits that are dragging it out. This is not a matter for courts. They aren't going to get what they want.

8 posted on 07/09/2010 10:46:49 PM PDT by mlo
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To: sten

In this case, “standing” seems to be more of an excuse than a true issue. It’s obvious that every citizen, individually and collectively, is injured by fraud if fraud has indeed been committed. If there’s a judge that comprehends this basic principle, he or she certainly isn’t getting to hear any of these cases.


9 posted on 07/09/2010 10:56:54 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well he is a Sten....


10 posted on 07/09/2010 11:06:55 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Mortrey

curiosity is in the shower looking for “what” fell off....


11 posted on 07/09/2010 11:08:01 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Try to convince me that the folks with children to take care of that live in the Gulf have no standing....they have been robbed of their livelihood...just as we ALL will be, soon. And, BP is NOT handing out money for their loss. They are being held hostage, because Obama HATES white people and people that didn’t support him...just like Oklahoma and Tenessee, that will not receive federal aid after their damaging storms! Yeah...no “standing”.

Obama played golf, while the gulf population was being decimated....people with children AND wildlife.
He’s really so thoroughly pathetic that I almost feel sorry for him...I hope he enjoys his parties and cocaine and trips because he’ll spend eternity paying for it.


12 posted on 07/09/2010 11:12:42 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: skr
"In this case, “standing” seems to be more of an excuse than a true issue. It’s obvious that every citizen, individually and collectively, is injured by fraud if fraud has indeed been committed. If there’s a judge that comprehends this basic principle, he or she certainly isn’t getting to hear any of these cases."

It's not an excuse. If you read the decisions you'd find that the judges specifically explain an injury to "everyone" does not qualify. There must be a specific harm, it must not be hypothetical, and also there must be something the court has the power to do about it. For one or all of these reasons, all the suits have been and will continue to be rejected.

13 posted on 07/09/2010 11:32:30 PM PDT by mlo
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To: mlo

“There has been no court trial where such evidence would be heard, because nobody has had a valid case.”

Nonsense. Our representative republic is a form of *self* government, and that self is us.

If we want proof that the Kenyan Commie is eligible to be president, then no court in the land, no bureaucrat, no elected official, has any authority to deny us.

That’s why it’s called *self* government.

Besides, the fact that an elected official would spend that much money to conceal the records of his birth is so suspicious as to create a prima facie criminal case.

That articles of impeachment have not been filed only goes to show that congressional republicans don’t have even a single testicle to share among the lot of them.

Capons.


14 posted on 07/09/2010 11:46:12 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: mlo

So at least as long as the court believes it lacks the “power” to unseat Obama, this rope a dope will continue.


15 posted on 07/09/2010 11:48:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: rawhide
If obamma is American-born, then let the birthers shut up

To be President, one needs to be 'natural born' - both parents need to be citizens of the USA.
16 posted on 07/10/2010 12:14:06 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: mlo

I have to respectfully disagree, although I understand what you are saying; the specific harm is fraud upon the People and upon the Rule of Law. Standing cannot be negated simply because everyone is harmed. This particular requirement in the Constitution, when not met, produces even more fraud with every bill signed and every order given to the military.

Obviously, I am not a lawyer. When common sense cannot be applied in a court of law, what’s the point of a court of law? Where’s a Founding Father/lawyer when you need him?


17 posted on 07/10/2010 12:29:22 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...requires that appellants show, inter alia, an 'injury in fact.'"

This means that the 3rd ckt judges haven't kept up with the events of the past 18 months.

Tantamount to stepping over someone on the ground all cut up and bleeding and telling the person to shut up and stop complaining...

18 posted on 07/10/2010 12:37:06 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just wonder if alive today, would Orwell laugh or cry?


19 posted on 07/10/2010 1:04:50 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: TheThinker

20 posted on 07/10/2010 1:10:19 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I had predicted that by this past Spring, it would be the Democrats (again) demanding Obama’s birth certificate. Things have moved fast, but not that fast. I revive my prediction and say that will here the first noises about Obama’s eligibility to be President right after the November election. As Winter hits and continues, we’ll start to hear more Democrats, including elected Democrats. By next Spring, it’ll be public and ‘birther’ won’t be an insult anymore.


21 posted on 07/10/2010 2:09:59 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why are these “frivolous” questions???

I really really don’t understand.

If he could answer them, he would or could do so in a heart beat.

These questions seem to me to be vitally important to every citizen of the Republic.

But, it seems, that’s just me ...


22 posted on 07/10/2010 2:55:11 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: rawhide

If he is American born, I’ll bet his name was never Barack Hussein Obama until he assumed that identity in his early college days. It could be that his father is not who he says. That would be a reason to conceal the truth. He is one big fraud, either way.


23 posted on 07/10/2010 3:04:03 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The judges' opinion recently dismissed as "frivolous" an appeal of a lower-court decision throwing out questions about whether the British Nationality Act of 1948 made Obama, at his birth to an American mother and Kenyan father, a subject of the British crown, thus possibly making him ineligible under the Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural born citizen."

I wonder what evidence supports the judges' opinion that the case is "frivolous?" Did they simple declare or "deem" that it is frivolous? What evidence do they have to support their assertions? Who do they want to please and why? From what I read there is no hard evidence to support such a finding; the judges are using frivolous evidence to justify their action, IMO.

24 posted on 07/10/2010 3:38:43 AM PDT by olezip
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To: olezip

Why not go for a search warrant to get access to the original documents? Seems to me there is probable cause to believe a crime has and is being committed.


25 posted on 07/10/2010 3:53:26 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: rawhide
“I suspect obamma cannot prove it, and in fact may not be American-born.”

I suspect that you are correct. The larger question,however, is why our court system is covering for this man and completely ignoring our constitution. How can a citizen not have “standing” when any act of the president impacts them?

26 posted on 07/10/2010 4:06:17 AM PDT by Shane (When Injustice Becomes Law, RESISTANCE Becomes DUTY.----T.Jefferson)
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To: mlo
because nobody has had a valid case.

Lots of 'em have valid cases. They just never get heard because the plaintiffs don't have standing.

As far as the United States justice system is concerned, it's OK if Obama causes harm to millions, as long as no one single individual is harmed.

The entire "standing" stall is an absurdity, and anyone that doesn't have their head firmly implanted in their nether region knows it.

No American judge is going to put his ass on the line. The fix is in. Remember what happened to the ex-Marine judge in California that vowed to hear the case. The week before the hearing, one of Robert Bauer's employees shows up as the judge's clerk.

This has nothing to do with valid or invalid cases. No judge will even hear any of 'em.

Welcome to the USSA.

27 posted on 07/10/2010 4:14:01 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: rawhide
"If obamma is American-born, then let the birthers shut up."

Doesn't matter where the Obama was born. He is not a 'natural born citizen' as his father was a foreign national.

28 posted on 07/10/2010 4:14:58 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: presently no screen name

Why? Why? Why? does THIS point keep getting ignored?? I don’t give a darn WHERE he was born. It is a distraction. Is there a debate about his father? I thought ALL agreed he was a British citizen. Why does that simple fact not make him a fraud as President?? Where he was born just clouds up the issue.


29 posted on 07/10/2010 4:18:42 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Most assuredly...curiouser, indeed. The whole question of ‘standing’ has been troublesome since the first case was filed. IMO, this is another example of a disconnect between what is right and what is legal. Common sense Americans know, innately, that any candidate in opposition should have ‘standing’. They know that ANY citizen who voted in the election for anyone other than the anointed one should have ‘standing’.
The legalistic arguments of particularized injury, etc., ring hollow to many of us.
That being said, however, we should respect the court’s decision and move forward within the framework of our system of jurisprudence. Take appeals where possible, challenge where necessary, and engage all appropriate resources to ferret out the truth.
It IS that important.


30 posted on 07/10/2010 4:20:08 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: mlo

Would a person having their private health care canceled,tossed into Obama care and have a demonstrable injury inflicted upon them due to lesser coverage qualify?
If yes there should be millions of qualified claimants in a few years.


31 posted on 07/10/2010 4:44:38 AM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: wiggen

Everything about him is wrong.


32 posted on 07/10/2010 5:05:39 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: rawhide

That is just it. He doesn’t have to prove anything in the courts. Under our system, if he has or is suspected of a crime, he is innocent until proven guilty.

So, we need the evidence. 0bama, in a court setting has no obligation to produce any self-incriminating evidence.

If he is guilty of pulling off the greatest fraud in history...we need figure out a way to get the solid evidence.

If he is a British subject, then we’ve been looking in the wrong places for the evidence.


33 posted on 07/10/2010 5:18:00 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: Gadsden1st
Why?

1. His skin is black.
2. His wife is black, and a direct descendant of slaves.
3. His children are descendants of slaves.
3 The One trillion he borrowed and pissed away is reparations for slavery.
4. 20 million descendants of slavery don't give a damn that the constitution forbids him from being president. Like an NBA championship game, they will riot the day he leaves office, regardless of reason, burning and looting our cities.

34 posted on 07/10/2010 5:29:13 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: mlo

“This is not a matter for courts.”

It’s not? Can you explain that in more detail?


35 posted on 07/10/2010 5:48:59 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: Shane
The larger question,however, is why our court system is covering for this man and completely ignoring our constitution. How can a citizen not have “standing” when any act of the president impacts them?

It appears to me that the whole American system is covering for this imposter. That includes the Democratic and Republican parties, Congress, Cheney, Pelosi, the courts, Main Street media. Fox News, BOR, Beck et al.

The cover up is more significant than the actual crime, as serious as that could be.

Why is it so important for this unqualified incompetent Communist to be President and for the power structure to cover up and ignore the truth? Why the abomination called health care reform?

36 posted on 07/10/2010 6:17:27 AM PDT by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: mlo

>>There has been no court trial where such evidence would be heard, because nobody has had a valid case.<<

You say this as if you are in fact an attorney. Never in my 60+ years have I seen any single issue destroy the faith in America’s political and judicial system as rapidly as this one is doing. Talk about a trust crushing tactic, this is the one that will succeed. If loss of trust in ones government isn’t a serious injury then nothing is.


37 posted on 07/10/2010 6:29:32 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Remember, guys, the enemy is to the left.)
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To: ADSUM

It seems, that the basic documents to be qualified to become President have been ignored. The basic documents and their examination and certifications as authentic have been circumvented. This is dereliction of duty of the highest order. However, because the proper steps where not taken, or ignored, it seems those in power have a vested interest in maintaining this charade. To undo it now, would demonstrate their incompetence and throw our Country into chaos. Pretty sad.

The whole bunch in Washington needs to be thrown out and we need a constitutional amendment, providing for term limits on Congress and to stop life time service on the Supreme Court. If a major change in Congress does not take place in November our Country, as we know it, is gone!


38 posted on 07/10/2010 7:06:48 AM PDT by Shane (When Injustice Becomes Law, RESISTANCE Becomes DUTY.----T.Jefferson)
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To: skr

“When common sense cannot be applied in a court of law, what’s the point of a court of law?”

Thank you for this great statement.


39 posted on 07/10/2010 7:34:37 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: Liberty Valance
Wow, she's a lot hotter looking than Winston's chick in the book seemed when I read it in 8th grade. Somewhere I have a paperback of 1984 of about the same vintage as the picture you show.
40 posted on 07/10/2010 7:44:19 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: B4Ranch
"...because nobody has had a valid case."

"You say this as if you are in fact an attorney."

I'm not, but all these cases have been repeatedly analyzed and fail for some very basic reasons. There have been plenty of actual attorneys here that will tell you the same, unanimously as far as I know.

Not only is standing a problem, but most of these cases just present the court with a set of suspicions and ask the court to investigate. That's not what courts do.

They also fail to present a controversy over which the court has any power to resolve. The US Constitution specifically gives the Electors and the Congress the power to decide the presidency. They've done that. It's over. No court in the country has the power to revisit that decision. The only recourse is impeachment.

"Never in my 60+ years have I seen any single issue destroy the faith in America’s political and judicial system as rapidly as this one is doing. Talk about a trust crushing tactic, this is the one that will succeed. If loss of trust in ones government isn’t a serious injury then nothing is."

The question about Obama's eligibility is not affecting most people that strongly. But for those it does, it's a consequence of their own state of mind, not someone else's choices. If you don't believe there is a legitimate birther issue in the first place then there's no reason to allow it to affect you. There is no legitimate issue. Birth in Hawaii makes him eligible.

41 posted on 07/10/2010 8:32:48 AM PDT by mlo
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To: sten; P-Marlowe
A lower court dismissed the action, claiming the plaintiffs lack "standing" to make a claim about an alleged violation of the Constitution – meaning they weren't personally "injured" by the act.

You can't claim you've been injured if you don't first prove that something illegal happened.

As I read it, Congress did not decide that Obama did not qualify and thereby cause an issue. That is what Section 3 of the 20 Amendment speaks to.

42 posted on 07/10/2010 9:12:01 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: mlo
There must be a specific harm, it must not be hypothetical

Then why doesn't McCain or Palin sue?

43 posted on 07/10/2010 9:14:43 AM PDT by Kudsman (A lifetime of public service = a lifetime of getting serviced by the public.- Mark Steyn)
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The Demonrats would if the roles were reversed.


44 posted on 07/10/2010 9:15:30 AM PDT by Kudsman (A lifetime of public service = a lifetime of getting serviced by the public.- Mark Steyn)
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To: rawhide

“If not, obamma needs to resign”

Resign????

He needs to be put on trial for sedition!


45 posted on 07/10/2010 9:35:37 AM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: xzins; sten
Every time Obama signs a law or issues an order, he is doing something illegal if he is not qualified to be president. Therefore if any act of congress signed by the president or an executive order by the president affects me then I am injured and therefore I should have standing to challenge the order on the grounds that the person who gave it is not qualified under the Constitution to give that order and the order is void.

The fact that the courts refuse to address this issue is evidence in my mind of the depth of corruption in our judiciary. We are a lawless nation. Eventually that leads either to anarchy or revolution. Frankly we are getting to the point where either of those alternatives would be better than the status quo.

46 posted on 07/10/2010 9:55:33 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Bluebird Singing
"If he is American born, I’ll bet his name was never Barack Hussein Obama until he assumed that identity in his early college days. It could be that his father is not who he says. That would be a reason to conceal the truth."

I believe this is what's behind Obama's sending lawyers to fight release.

Obama is a professional poseur, and it served him well, in early years, to hype a muslim connection.

47 posted on 07/10/2010 9:56:24 AM PDT by cookcounty ("Today's White House reporters seem one ball short of a ping pong scrimmage.")
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To: P-Marlowe

However, the Congress covering for the president gives the courts the justification to say that no one has done anything illegal that injures anyone.


48 posted on 07/10/2010 10:03:10 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe

The point is that we don’t yet have proof of Obama’s illegal status.


49 posted on 07/10/2010 10:03:53 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Gadsden1st
Where he was born just clouds up the issue.

EXACTLY!! Why the need for standing - EVERYONE knows his father wasn't a citizen - he wrote it in his book.

And they deliberately ignored the Constitution, the vetting process and we need standing to prove that?
50 posted on 07/10/2010 10:09:41 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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