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UK: National census to be axed after 200 years
The Telegraph ^ | 7/9/2010 | Christopher Hope

Posted on 07/10/2010 1:39:18 AM PDT by bruinbirdman

Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister, said the Census, which takes place every 10 years, was an expensive and inaccurate way of measuring the number of people in Britain.


Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister

Instead, the Government is examining different and cheaper ways to count the population more regularly, using existing public and private databases, including credit reference agencies.

It will represent a historic shift in the way that information about the nation’s population, religion and social habits is gathered.

The suggestion is likely to be approved by Cabinet next week. It will be too late to prevent the next Census on March 27, 2011 from going ahead, although Mr Maude said he was looking at ways of reducing the £482million cost.

Britain has carried out a Census every decade since 1801, with the exception of 1941 during the Second World War.

It is the only time that everybody in the country is counted, and is used by the Government to determine spending priorities and track population movements.

Academics, charities and religious organisations all rely on information gathered in the Census as it asks wide-ranging questions relating to people’s households, nationality, faith and marital status.

The information is also a significant source of research for future generations. The online publication last year of the 1911 Census proved hugely popular, with three million people accessing the database within its first few months.

Mr Maude, who has responsibility for the Census, told The Daily Telegraph that the Government was looking for a “fundamentally” better way of doing it. “There are, I believe, ways of doing this which will provide better, quicker information, more frequently and cheaper,” he said.

Mr Maude said Britain needed a new way to keep track of the population because the Census

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: census; national

1 posted on 07/10/2010 1:39:22 AM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

it does make sense. After all, everyone has an SSN in the US and a NI number in the UK, plus there is a tracking of births, deaths, migrations out and migrations in etc., so an accurate number of legal residents should not be that difficult to obtain from existing government databases


2 posted on 07/10/2010 1:54:37 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: Cronos

I wonder if the Aboriginals do...


3 posted on 07/10/2010 1:55:50 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Cronos

SSNs don’t show COLOR!!!!!


4 posted on 07/10/2010 2:38:14 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Cronos
The Brits used to depend on a wide variety of local censuses, and "notable persons" were employed by the government to make estimations of population densities for purposes of apportioning seats in Parliament.

They were encumbered for most of a century with what were known as "rotten boroughs" where the "notables" had decided a handful of rich guys should get a seat yet neighborhoods with tens of thousands of people shouldn't.

One of the reasons for a controlled census is that you see what is being done "up front". Without it you end up with the "notables" distorting the results for their own purposes ~ and in a most hidden fashion.

Think of a non-census census as being little different than a United Nations sponsored climate change model.

We all know how that turned out!

5 posted on 07/10/2010 4:45:13 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bruinbirdman

I’d rather see them cutting somewhere else than eliminating this important once-per-decade activity. Census cannot be replaced by survey or registration. I’m talking only about counting head, not the additional module that sometimes the US Bureau of Census attached in the long form of questionnaires.


6 posted on 07/10/2010 5:02:39 AM PDT by paudio (Mr. 0bama, focus on Gulf, not Golf.)
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To: Gaffer

who really cares about color? And color is hardly a determinant —> Arabs, Iranis and North Indians are caucasians and brown in color, while South Indians are Caucasian and dark brown. Many people of African origin are light enough to be close to white and most people who classify themselves as “black” have a large % of European blood.


7 posted on 07/10/2010 5:39:39 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: paudio
Census cannot be replaced by survey or registration.

It'll probably be replaced by a Population Czar, who'll just announce how many and where they're located. Save all that money for the people, donchaknow.

8 posted on 07/10/2010 5:43:22 AM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty.)
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To: bruinbirdman

I think that dropping the census is a good idea for the US too. (It’s a waste of time and money— but then how could Barack inflate job-creation numbers without it?) The politicians, though, will choose a method that will allow them to manipulate population numbers to suit their purposes. What a world.


9 posted on 07/10/2010 6:02:07 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Barack Obama: saboteur)
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To: Cronos
My point in using the single descriptor 'color' was to illustrate that these governments are looking for something other than just a pure head count.

If a society were truly 'color' blind, they would need nothing else. This demonstrates that GOVERNMENT panders to certain groups at the expense of others. A very simple tenet....

10 posted on 07/10/2010 7:47:40 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: bruinbirdman

Just as unemployed persons in the US who have stopped looking for a job are NOT counted in the unemployment figures, thus distorting unemployment reality in the US, so, in UK, people without a credit rating or evidence of participation in commerce will not be counted either. They will cease to exist and social programs will be based upon, and reduced, by being based only on persons “of economic record”, instead of actual existence. Perhaps illiterate, unemployed Islamic persons in UK, rapidly expanding by virtue of rabbit-like birth rates, will not be counted at all.


11 posted on 07/10/2010 11:18:53 AM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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