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Illinois professor fired for giving Catholic teaching on homosexuality (with specifics)
cna ^ | July 9, 2010

Posted on 07/10/2010 6:31:46 AM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer

I sincerely hope this is taken to court. He SHOULD easily win the case.


21 posted on 07/10/2010 6:58:42 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: rbg81
Adjunct professors work on contract, one semester at a time. The University was just telling him that they would not pick up his contract again.

Yes, that's true.

22 posted on 07/10/2010 7:00:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (We made a proactive decision to postpone the originally scheduled nightlife activities.)
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To: IronJack

It’s odd that we immediately recognize this, but the instructor didn’t. Perhaps he’s not well qualified in the subject.


23 posted on 07/10/2010 7:01:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (We made a proactive decision to postpone the originally scheduled nightlife activities.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I pray daily for a revival in the world in general and the US in particular. Intercessionary prayer does work. We are contending against a powerful adversary. I hope that others would also pray daily for this country to have a Christian revival.
24 posted on 07/10/2010 7:03:57 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Trust but verify.)
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To: muawiyah

Ick! (Which was my point exactly)


25 posted on 07/10/2010 7:04:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick (We made a proactive decision to postpone the originally scheduled nightlife activities.)
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To: STONEWALLS
...how did queers ever get this kind of power?....and how much worse will it get in the future?

They got it because they are an "oppressed" minority.

In modern Newspeak, that means they are actually "aristos" whom us peons must be careful NOT to offend, because a single "lettre de cachet" from one of them is enough to get you a long stretch in the Bastille. And that is the answer to your second question.

26 posted on 07/10/2010 7:14:10 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: NYer
"Well done, good and faithful servant".

He has suffered retribution for being associated with the Name of Jesus. He should, as the book of James said, "count it all joy." He can get another job teaching at a university that actually values the truth.

27 posted on 07/10/2010 7:22:52 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: rbg81
One of the benefits of tenure is that it allows professors to say “controversial” things without being fired. In the past, this typically protected those on the Left side of the political spectrum. Now, it may protect those on the Right side.

That would require professors of the Right to receive tenure, which they rarely do at most universities.

28 posted on 07/10/2010 7:26:26 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("Why should I feed pirates?"--Russian officer off Somalia)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

[The moral depravity in this nation has reached such a low point]

And this is the just ~top of the Roller Coaster ride.

Read Romans 1:25+

When a society embraces un-godliness, bad things happen as the due penalty for its perversions.


29 posted on 07/10/2010 7:34:04 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: IronJack

>>It doesn’t even promote moderate good for its chosen few!

No Logic and Reason among the insane.

http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

Is it 1933 yet?


30 posted on 07/10/2010 7:45:52 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: denydenydeny

That would require professors of the Right to receive tenure, which they rarely do at most universities.


Well, I am conservative and I have tenure. How did the Left gain control of so many universities? They pretended to be moderate enough until they were awarded tenure. When a critical mass of them got tenure, they seized control of academic departments and then imposed Stalinist rules. Hate to say it, but the Right needs to employ a similar strategy to get (at least) a balance back.


31 posted on 07/10/2010 7:50:42 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: LomanBill

When the Newman Center yielded their purpose to the State school, they lost. “Render unto Caeser the things that are Caeser’s, and unto God, the things that are God’s.” God’s church should never grant the State authority over His Word or the Church’s mission.


32 posted on 07/10/2010 7:56:22 AM PDT by incredulous in PA
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Don’t be so pessimistic. The pushback alrady began, with Prof. Cary Nelson, a senior (retired) English professor, presumably a secular person, who understands the free speech, academic freedom implications. Alan Kors’s FIRE group and the Alliance Defense Fund etc. have a very solid case here.

The head of the religion department is a goof. Obviously a long-running disagreement existed and he chose to use this to get rid of someone he disliked. It’s true that lecturers are hired on a semester-to-semester basis. It’s also true that those who supervise them (and that’s part of my own job at a university) need to be aware of legal ramifications. This department head was a fool.

I think there may be enough secular academics who might sign on on this one to make it go somewhere.

And before you say, sure, that only proves the Catholic Church is feckless, think it over. If the Church can gain the support of secular people on this issue, which is so often portrayed as a purely religious/blind faith issue, it would be a great gain.

So instead of giving up on it, why not spend an hour in prayer for the success of the legal challenge. It could produce a great victory. Or it might not. But who are you to know the future?


33 posted on 07/10/2010 7:58:11 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: kidd
the anonymous email complaint was in regards to “natural laws of man” (whatever that is).

Very good observation on the removal of the word "moral" from the complaint. Of course, in the writer's worldview the "natural laws of man" mean anything and everything; whatever each person wants it to be. The Dictatorship of Relativism.

34 posted on 07/10/2010 8:02:18 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: rbg81

Correct. In the colloquial sense of “fired” it is a form of firing, since the dept. head was clear that the reason was supposed hate speech, implying that had he not written the email, he might well have been re-contracted. And they’d been re-contracting Howell for many years.

And someone else will get his contract. If I as supervisor were to say to a black instructor, we’re not going to give you a new contract this fall, even though we’ve given you one semester by semester for many years, because you are black, and then go ahead and hire a white instructor, I’d be in deep deep doo-doo, even though legally, I have no obligation to give him a new contract at the beginning of any semester.

Yes, the university had no legal obligation to give him a new contract but having stated the reasons for not doing so, reasons clearly unjust and anti-first-Amendment etc., there’s a legal case.

But yes, you are right to point out that he was not terminated from an ongoing contract but refused a new contract.


35 posted on 07/10/2010 8:03:58 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: incredulous in PA

“I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY
TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN”
—Thomas Jefferson

God’s Church is built within the temple, with in the heart, of every Individual who utilizes their mind, which the Almighty hath created free, to embrase His Truthful desire to reconcile us to Him... instead of using it to pretend that He is dead and we are Him.


36 posted on 07/10/2010 8:09:14 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: rbg81

Yes, but the way they exclude conservatives from receiving tenure is by saying (1) “their scholarship, publications, are second-rate”—because, as we (they) all know, conservatives are ignorant and uncritical and unscholarly or (2) they are hard to get along with, disagreeable, biased people whom the students won’t like.

I too am conservative and managed to get tenure, although it was easier because it was a Catholic university. To do it I had to smile a lot and demonstrate that even where I disagreed I was the sort of person “you can talk to, unlike those other (conservatives) whom you can’t talk to” which meant that I had to rein in my conservatism, often bite my tongue and not say what I was tempted to say.

And I had a raft of publications in top venues that they could not dismiss as second rate.

After I got tenure, I became a disagreeable curmudgeon with EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEMMMMMMMMMLLLLLLLLY conservative views, one of THOSE PEOPLE whom you can’t talk to. Several of my colleagues have since said that they wish they hadn’t voted for my tenuring. Makes a fella feel welcome.

I don’t think I was dishonest about my views—I just expressed them carefully, moderately, usually framing them as questions rather than assertions. They knew I was sort of conservative but thought I was a “safe” version of that disease. But they were wrong. I’m a virulent plague of conservativism.


37 posted on 07/10/2010 8:10:17 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Tax-chick

Because from a Catholic perspective utilitarian arguments are not very helpful, indeed, are downright troublesome—consequentialism. While one can make utilitarian arguments for a lot of things—e.g., against contraception, given the demonstrable negative effects after 40 years, Catholic teaching does not use them except in a very subordinate role. Because other people make consequentialist arguments in favor of contraception, so if the Catholic opposition based itself solely or primarily on utilitarian arguments, they’d simply be doing what the dissident pro-contraception people do.

Professor Howell knows this very well. He can make a utilitarian argument, yes. But he chooses not to because the natural law argument is stronger.


38 posted on 07/10/2010 8:14:01 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

Yes, the university had no legal obligation to give him a new contract but having stated the reasons for not doing so, reasons clearly unjust and anti-first-Amendment etc., there’s a legal case.


I’m nor sure anyone has first-Amendment protections in there job. People can get fired for saying outrageous things that reflect poorly on the organization. This is even true for professors who have “academic freedom”. You can’t use academic freedom to say things that are fradulent or insulting. In this case, this was a religion professor was attempting to explain Catholic doctrine and it was called “hate speech”. If he had said that Catholic doctrine allowed homosexuality, he would have been wrong. If the University deems that religious doctrine is hate speech, they should stop offering those courses. That, incidently, is akin to censorship—which the Left luvs to rail about when it goes against them.


39 posted on 07/10/2010 8:18:47 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: Servant of the Cross

>>the “natural laws of man” mean anything and everything

“Praised be he who permits the forbidden”
—Tsvi Sabbatai, Apostate Jew and False Messiah, circa 1666

“God is dead, therefore we are as Gods”
—Freddy Nietzsche, circa 1880

“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law”
—Aliester Crowley, founder of modern Satanism, circa 1905

“Go ahead, eat it...what does God know anyhow”
—Satan, Eden.

What are the natural consequences for a mammal who is unable to correctly identify a member of its own species - with whom it can create viable offspring?

What are the natural consequences for a society... which “normalizes” the behavior of individuals who can not correctly identify a member of its own species - with whom it create viable offspring?

Not with a bang but a whimper.


40 posted on 07/10/2010 8:23:34 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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