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Biden tells Leno US did fine in Russian spy swap
yahoo ^ | 7/10/10 | ap

Posted on 07/10/2010 11:53:15 PM PDT by Nachum

BURBANK, Calif. – Vice President Joe Biden had to convince a skeptical Jay Leno on Friday that the United States didn't get a raw deal from Russia in the biggest spy swap since the Cold War.

Leno asked Biden during a taping of "The Tonight Show" why the U.S. was sending 10 accused spies back to Russia while getting only four in return.

"That doesn't seem fair," Leno said.

"We got back four really good ones," Biden reassured Leno. "And the ten, they've been here a long time, but they hadn't done much."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biden; leno; russian; tells

1 posted on 07/10/2010 11:53:18 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

This isn’t an issue that should be joked about! Why was this done so quickly, and what did all of the spies (from both sides) know?


2 posted on 07/11/2010 12:00:57 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: Nachum

Does seem like more incompetent bargaining by Barry - a 10 for 4 swap. Was revolting to see that Biden is turning it all into a comedy sketch with Leno. I imagine that we only caught a tiny fraction of the spies in the U.S. Don’t know why the Administration thinks it’s so funny.


3 posted on 07/11/2010 12:14:41 AM PDT by purplelobster
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To: Nachum

From writer Dan Simmons’s website:

http://forum.dansimmons.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=100552#Post100552

Dan Simmons comments:

My White Horse Souse, the Olde Lampwicke, my last contact in the U.S. intelligence community, tells me that the Russian spies were swapped so quickly that there was no serious interrogation of them, that different agencies weren’t allowed time to discover whom these espionage recruiters had recruited or what the recruits’ missions in the U.S. were, that there was no time to discover who their controllers were in the Kremlin, and — most disturbing (to the Olde Lampwicke and thus to me) — they were exchanged so quickly, without the usual trials and time in jail here, not because of the importance of the Russian nationals being held in Russia for “contacts with American intelligence officials” whom we got in exchange, and not because of fear that American intelligence methods would come out in a trial, but because Vladimir Putin, using a back channel, directly demanded that Obama immediately release these captured Russian spies — one of them a daughter of a former KGB higher-up turned diplomat who was a friend of Putin’s from his old KGB days.

According to my Souse, President Medvedev — our president’s yuck-it-up burger’n’fries pal — wasn’t even in the loop on this demand. The ultimatum (with serious ramifications concerning the Russians stalling the START treaty Obama is so eager to sign) went straight from Putin to Obama with a 24-hr. time period for compliance. Obama is reported to have complied within three hours.

I’ll be curious if any of the Olde Lampwicke’s Putin-related info about a secret ultimatum is confirmed by our news agencies. The frustration of many in the U.S. intelligence community over not being able to properly process the captured deep-cover sleeper agents has already been recorded here and there. (Although others tell CNN and MSNBC that there was no need to keep the Russian agents any longer.)

Either way, it seems to be a hell of a way to run a national intelligence effort.


4 posted on 07/11/2010 12:19:35 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Barack Obama, the Coleman Francis of presidents.)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

Agree. And, the fact that Joe Fool Biden is joking off about it on Leno’s show should be cause of alarm. This should have been Breaking News on all news outlets.


5 posted on 07/11/2010 12:28:02 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: Darkwolf377
Obama is reported to have complied within three hours.

Since when do we comply? I miss the days when other nations complied with us.
6 posted on 07/11/2010 12:28:46 AM PDT by HushTX (quit whining)
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To: HushTX

Can’t you just see that wuss leaping at the chance to obey Mother Russia? After which he needed another party or night out, to recover from all that effort it took to say “Yes, SIR! Right away, SIR!”


7 posted on 07/11/2010 12:31:44 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Barack Obama, the Coleman Francis of presidents.)
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To: Nachum

Of course, Biden also thinks we got Cliff Lee and LeBron James in the deal...


8 posted on 07/11/2010 12:39:57 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Nachum
Wonder if Obama was bowing while talking to Putin
9 posted on 07/11/2010 12:41:18 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied pelicans died)
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To: Nachum
I smell a Democrat cover-up.
10 posted on 07/11/2010 12:48:06 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Socialism: Subsidizing Chaff at the expense of Wheat)
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To: bikerman

Yeah, bowing, after he turned around first.


11 posted on 07/11/2010 1:01:45 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Cowboy Bob

I don’t Know but I smell a pattern. The pattern is This Country gets screwed.It was touched on, only briefly the haggard beaten ghosts of heroes we get back. Even if they were “spies” subjected to tortures beyond our knowledge.
This is a usual misstep. Because it was important to get back those fresh ones even before the softball treatment a deal was laid out. This,cough, administration declared victory and went home.


12 posted on 07/11/2010 1:02:34 AM PDT by noodler (!)
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To: Nachum
Not only does this entire "swap" smell to high heaven but what has happened to the 4 "spies" we got in return?

Am I the only one who does not know their names?

One would think that there would be a LOT of publicity surrounding them and their return.

Now here is the kicker: The only thing I heard (and it was a short blurb--I think on Fox, but not sure) was that these 4 were......wait for it......RUSSIANS and not "Americans!"

That's right, I may have misunderstood, but I don't think so.

Does anyone have any additional information on this???

13 posted on 07/11/2010 2:43:35 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: purplelobster

Russia acknowledged their spying and demanded their immediate return to the mother country.

Little did they know that the spies would be protected and coddled by the America hater in the White House so they need not have worried.


14 posted on 07/11/2010 2:55:31 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Not sure which station, probably FNC, clearly identified each of the men who were expelled from Russia.

One was elderly, 90s, IIRC. They were accused of spying for the US.

Two were Brits who went back to England.

One was an arms control expert who was America.

Just from memory so I may not be 100% correct on these but the information was out there. You may be able to find more online.


15 posted on 07/11/2010 2:58:35 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

When this story first broke, the New York media was reporting that at least one of these Russian spies had been working with a high ranking Democrat. That part of the story seemed to have dropped of the radar within 24 hours after the arrests.


16 posted on 07/11/2010 3:09:05 AM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: Nachum

Imagine Dick Cheney getting on a late-night comedy talk show and blabbing about matters of national security.

Yeah, I can’t picture it either.


17 posted on 07/11/2010 3:11:31 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: OrangeHoof

Of course, Biden also thinks we got Cliff Lee and LeBron James in the deal...

I wonder if Obama included cash incentives?


18 posted on 07/11/2010 3:59:40 AM PDT by DOGEY
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To: purplelobster

//only caught a tiny fraction of the spies in the U.S. Don’t know why the Administration thinks it’s so funny//

True and I dont know either.


19 posted on 07/11/2010 4:11:41 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

don’t think China was watching.


20 posted on 07/11/2010 4:54:48 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: Darkwolf377

Informative post.


21 posted on 07/11/2010 5:08:06 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Carley

And thats the good deal??


22 posted on 07/11/2010 5:11:20 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
Why was this done so quickly, and what did all of the spies (from both sides) know?

The Russians wanted them out before they could point to other deep-cover agents and what they're up to. Obama was glad to give the Russians what they wanted, as usual.

23 posted on 07/11/2010 5:18:22 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
This isn’t an issue that should be joked about!

And the joking shows just how serious the Obama Administration is about security.

24 posted on 07/11/2010 5:19:43 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: XRdsRev

bttt


25 posted on 07/11/2010 5:58:13 AM PDT by jch10 (Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war...)
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To: Nachum
 

          Anna, disguised as a college slacker who voted for Obama.
26 posted on 07/11/2010 6:05:53 AM PDT by greedo
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To: Nachum
My latest understanding of this is that 14 Russians were freed and that NO Americans were freed.

Funny. Ha, ha.

ML/NJ

27 posted on 07/11/2010 6:07:13 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Nachum

“they’ve been here a long time, but they hadn’t done much”

I believe this describes Joe Biden perfectly. Too bad he wasn’t included in the swap.


28 posted on 07/11/2010 6:17:44 AM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC
“they’ve been here a long time, but they hadn’t done much”

Well, compared to the democrat party, these spies were amateurs.

29 posted on 07/11/2010 6:24:42 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty

“compared to the democrat party, these spies were amateurs.”

Well, it would have been nice if the entire Party were part of the trade. However, I can understand the Ruskies being hesitant to accept tens of millions of new “gimmegrants.”


30 posted on 07/11/2010 6:35:31 AM PDT by DrC
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To: Nachum

I first learned that Biden was a moron by watching him during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings.


31 posted on 07/11/2010 6:40:20 AM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“these 4 were......wait for it......RUSSIANS”

Yes, I only saw a brief blurb on it too and I heard the same thing - that the “American Spies” were actually Russians that had previously cooperated with U.S. intelligence. The mainstream news outlets have been good at covering up Barry’s incompetence on this deal so it’s really unclear on who these people are. Seems the game plan is to cover up Barry’s incompetence by turning important issues into comedy sketches.


32 posted on 07/11/2010 9:55:15 AM PDT by purplelobster
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