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Americans Who’ll Never Work Again
First Things ^ | 7/8/2010 | David P. Goldman

Posted on 07/11/2010 7:30:59 AM PDT by IbJensen

How many Americans will never work again? Perhaps a lot. A close look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Current Population Survey raises some alarming questions about the prospects of significant parts of the American population.

Thirteen percent of Americans twenty-five years and over without a high school diploma were unemployed in June (down from a peak of 17.9 percent in February, but much of that decline was due to a fall in the labor force participation rate from 62.4 percent in February to 61.4 percent in June). Ten percent of workers with only a high school diploma, were unemployed in June. Workers with a Bachelor’s degree, by contrast, had an unemployment rate of only 4.5 percent that month.

For African Americans over twenty years of age, the official unemployment rate in June stood at 17 percent. Most striking, only 58 percent of African-American men over twenty are employed, compared to 67.7 percent in 2000. For white Americans over twenty, the employment-population ratio fell from 64.9 percent in 2002 to 60.2 percent in 2009, a far smaller decline. There is almost no decline for Hispanics; the employment-population ratio stayed around 68 percent between 2000 and 2009.

The data suggest that black men with a high school education or less are dropping through the cracks in the economy. Adjusting for the decline in the employment-population ratio, the true unemployment rate for African-American men probably stands close to 30 percent. That is a frightening number.

Another striking data point is the collapse of employment for labor-force entrants aged sixteen to nineteen years. Jobseekers of this age have a low educational level and seek unskilled positions. In 2000, 45 percent of this population was in the labor force, but by 2009 the level had dropped almost to 28.4 percent. While unskilled workers of all ages are having difficulty finding work, young unskilled workers are finding it even harder.

Why is this significant? Unemployment for African Americans and those with less education has always been higher than for others, but most were eventually employed. The economic crisis has only magnified the differences. That would be bad enough. As matters stand, many of these workers may never find a steady job again.

As of June, 6.4 million Americans were on unemployment for more than 27 weeks, and the average duration of unemployment doubled from sixteen weeks in early 2008 to 32 weeks in June. These figures are, for the workers we are discussing, only going to get worse. Americans without educational qualifications are suffering levels of unemployment on the scale of the Great Depression, and for them that Depression may never end.

The sectors of the economy in which workers with less educational attainment were likely to find employment will continue to shrink. Foremost among these is home construction, where recovery may be decades away. By some estimates the US faces a 40 percent oversupply of large lot family homes by 2020, as the great retirement wave of the Baby Boomers leaves empty nesters with larger homes than they require.

Another sector is state and municipal employment. A significant proportion of job losses during the next several years will include unskilled workers employed by local governments.

Why should the discrepancy between white college-educated workers and others be so great? The world economy has changed, permanently. America once enjoyed a monopoly as a destination for capital and labor. The world’s savings poured into America during the 1990s and 2000s, contributing among other things to the homebuilding boom that employed many of the unskilled.

The fall of communism in 1989 and the incorporation of many countries from what we used to call the Third World into the global economy have eroded that monopoly. It has sharply reduced the number of jobs in manufacturing, which now employs only 15 percent of the workforce, and no longer offer unskilled labor an entry-point into the labor force. Again, the end of the housing boom and the decline in public employment in the wake of the financial crisis have also closed off other sources of employment.

There are three ways the situation could evolve, and two of them are bad. The first is that the American underclass might expand drastically, with attendant social and political problems. The second is that we will revert to methods last used during the Great Depression, when the Civilian Conservation Corps employed a tenth of America’s young men, encouraging the growth of government as an employer, even though governments are bad at providing jobs and the economy cannot sustain such programs.

The third way is the restoration of an economic regime that promotes entrepreneurship. The employment situation will not improve until small businesses begin to hire. In America’s creative-destruction economy, jobs lost by big companies usually are lost forever; they are replaced by jobs created by startups. Startups created two-thirds of all new jobs in the U.S. during the past three decades. This is the only real hope for the unskilled — but small business remains dead in the water.

We simply don’t know whether the next wave of entrepreneurship—if we are able to launch it—will absorb the millions of young, less-educated men who seem lost to economic activity. I fear that something like Roosevelt’s CCC may be required, despite my conservative’s aversion to government spending. There is, after all, a good deal of infrastructure to be repaired.


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We are witnessing the fruit of the cultural changes of the post fifty years

A sizable segment of our youth have grown up without fathers or fathers of their own. They have been socially educated in the public schools to not respect parental moral standards, challenging particularly the authority of their fathers. Their respect for their parents, particularly their fathers, is less than that of previous generations. The public schools have also taught them to conduct themselves as they like, that moral expectations are situation determined, and that no matter what they do or how well they do, they need to think of themselves as good people. Their parents have indulged their wishes as they were growing up and the public school has taught them to not be critical of themselves or their efforts. They have been taught that religion is ephemeral, having little to do with substantive moral issues or the moral foundation of our culture, but that it concerns an extension of feelings, in that God wishes only good for humankind, and that if they feel good about themselves, they are sufficiently spiritual and have God in their hearts.

They lack a sense of purpose and are generally not that interested in hard work or the pursuit of a difficult future. They lack a broad knowledge of the world or history. Further, their judgment is generally faulty when it comes to the management of their lives or their money. They contribute to the costs of social dysfunction in the form of social services and prison space. Unfortunately, they also are the future, in that the proportion of such youth in our population will likely increase.

Government programs will not help at all, but merely exacerbate the problem. An improving economy would somewhat mitigate the problems of absorbing this population into the productive society, though not much. The underlying ideas that have resulted in our present cultural trends need to be re-examined. Children who never knew their fathers, thanks to their welfare mothers, will some day, as realization sets in begin to hate the welfare pig they have called mother!

It is obvious that the Federal Government's intention is to create a permanent segment of the population to be on the "dole," much like the UK has. This will solidify the government's power over a huge portion of the economy.

1 posted on 07/11/2010 7:31:00 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Then there are those who have gone into the virtual Galt’s Gulch.


2 posted on 07/11/2010 7:35:14 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: IbJensen
"...sizable segment of our youth have grown up without fathers or fathers of their own.."

The state is the Father, the public housing builder, the food provider, the health care provider, the provider of professional state security....

3 posted on 07/11/2010 7:39:18 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Paladin2

“I fear that something like Roosevelt’s CCC may be required...”

....a lot smaller percentage of young men today could or would work like that...especially minority men.


4 posted on 07/11/2010 7:39:52 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Paladin2
Yes, when this dependent society finally far outweighs the producers, they will clamor for more welfare, disability, SSI, WICs, AFDC, EITC and will be given more. Until it finally breaks the producers. Government, as it is doing now, will be forced to create more 'government' jobs and increase taxes on producers and capitalism so that the hungry mouths can be fed.

The smart producers will be squirreling away money, assets into venues not reachable by government and they will eventually go 'underground' and join the rest of the throng asking for 'their fare share'. Collapse is certain and all that will be left is a fourth world country - the way Obama wants it to be.

5 posted on 07/11/2010 7:42:13 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Gaffer

With collapse comes genocide. Count on it.


6 posted on 07/11/2010 7:43:15 AM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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To: IbJensen

As illegals continue to infiltrate our labor pool, they will continue to take jobs away from others with no education.

Further, black society as a whole, bears much responsibility for the high unemployment rate.

I commented some time ago about our own Mom and Pop company. We decided to add a part time apprentice to our payroll this summer, and the search for candidates began.

Overall, I was frustrated by the attire, attitude, lack of any sort of basic mathematical ability, and work ethic of prospective candidates of all races who applied, but more so, of those who were black.

Many showed up with “pants on the ground”, untied shoes, political messages on their shirts, etc. This is not to say it was “all blacks” who came to the interview this way, but many.

On the other hand, we had one white candidate who wouldn’t even remove his earphone/plug from his ipod thing while being interviewed with my wife.

Further, upon realization that this job entailed doing manual labor, and ladders, crawlspaces, and actual hard work were involved, and the pay was only $15.00 an hour, the interest level dropped off even more dramatically.

We eventually hired a middle aged fella with a family to feed who lost his job in manufacturing. He has worked out great, and we anticipate he will be at journeyman pay scale in a couple of years.

So they synopsis: we DID try to hire youth. we DID offer fair wages. The problem was, no youths wanted to be hired. We got the idea that many were there for the job interview at the direction of their unemployment office, their parole officer, or their parents, and they themselves had no ambition to have a real job that entailed real work, that would provide them with real skills for the future in which to provide for a family.

It was a frustrating experience, but very enlightening.


7 posted on 07/11/2010 7:43:55 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: Paladin2
Then there are those who have gone into the virtual Galt’s Gulch.

It's nice here.

8 posted on 07/11/2010 7:44:43 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (CNN:AP:etc:Today, President Obama's stool was firm and well-formed. One end was slightly pointed. ")
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To: InternetTuffGuy

Why, of course, it happens in all the best places.....Chechnya, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, et al. It won’t be any different here except that much more of the indigenous population is armed (for now).


9 posted on 07/11/2010 7:44:48 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: IbJensen
Poverty and the Father Factor http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/31/AR2005073101075.html

Andrew Billingsley:

In 1890, 80 percent of black American households were headed by husbands and wives. That's just 25 years after the end of the Civil War.

In 1900, the percentage was mostly unchanged, and so it remained -- between the high 70s and the low 80s -- for 1910, 1920, 1930, for every decennial census report until 1970, when it was down to 64.

For the 2000 Census, the percentage of black families headed by married couples was 38. The only good news is that it was also 38 percent in 1990, suggesting that the trend may have stopped getting worse.

Chicken or Egg? Cause of Effect? It is a persistent cultural disease.

The Left-tards are using it to gain power over a powerless people to destroy this great nation.

I appologize for quoting from the Washington Compost

10 posted on 07/11/2010 7:45:26 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: IbJensen

Gosh.

Good thing we’re sending our jobs and factories to a huge nuclear-armed communist nation with 4 times our population.


11 posted on 07/11/2010 7:46:06 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR1fDL7x1Sg)
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To: IbJensen

“There are three ways the situation could evolve, and two of them are bad. The first is that the American underclass might expand drastically, with attendant social and political problems. The second is that we will revert to methods last used during the Great Depression, when the Civilian Conservation Corps employed a tenth of America’s young men, encouraging the growth of government as an employer, even though governments are bad at providing jobs and the economy cannot sustain such programs.”

This is by design, where do you think they will get the minions to create the “Service corp” greater than the military. They have to be educationally illiterate and easily manipulated, i.e. the proletariat.


12 posted on 07/11/2010 7:47:30 AM PDT by call meVeronica
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To: IbJensen
The third way is the restoration of an economic regime that promotes entrepreneurship. The employment situation will not improve until small businesses begin to hire. In America’s creative-destruction economy, jobs lost by big companies usually are lost forever; they are replaced by jobs created by startups. Startups created two-thirds of all new jobs in the U.S. during the past three decades.

Low wage / low skill service sector jobs won't revitalize an economy that undermines its own wealth creating industries with "free trade".

13 posted on 07/11/2010 7:47:49 AM PDT by Willie Green (Save Money: Build High-Speed Rail & Maglev and help permanently ground Air Force One!!!)
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To: IbJensen
You just illustrated Moral Relativity.

There are no eternal consequences for our behavior or life choices. We are ALL gods in our own right. There is no right or wrong if we decide it is so. It is what ever we chose to define it as such. (The evolution/origin of Pond Scum.)

This is why this once great country is doomed. The character and fiber of it's population is no longer dignified or proud. It's only purpose is to exist and take what ever it can, for itself, while it remains here in this reality. It's Hedonism, Nihilism and Paganism all rolled into one.

Honor and Patriotism only exists in a small few, from the older generations. The youth have completely abandoned, discarded and have rejected any possible recovery to the only ideal and moral philosophy that will turn this around.

Sad but true........Tragic, is best description.

14 posted on 07/11/2010 7:50:23 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“Honor and Patriotism only exists in a small few, from the older generations. “

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Yet those same few, are among the most tenacious adherents to the bone-headed destructive trade policies which are destroying America’s industrial might.


15 posted on 07/11/2010 7:52:42 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR1fDL7x1Sg)
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To: IbJensen

A very good article, thanks.

The author skips over an important factor - that we’re now in the 2nd and 3rd generation of some Americans who grew up in families where there has never been a breadwinner. Hard for a kid to rise above that when the prevalent role models have been those expert in milking the welfare system.

Which is why I think the public works concept deserves consideration, even as a big fan of less government. Seems better to pay people to do needed work than to pay them to not work.


16 posted on 07/11/2010 7:53:44 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: InternetTuffGuy

do you mean aka Margaret Sanger? thanks
melissa


17 posted on 07/11/2010 8:02:40 AM PDT by mel
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To: IbJensen
...the American underclass might expand drastically, with attendant social and political problems...

THIS is exactly what Obama wants!

18 posted on 07/11/2010 8:07:50 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
This is why this once great country is doomed. The character and fiber of it's population is no longer dignified or proud. It's only purpose is to exist and take what ever it can, for itself, while it remains here in this reality. It's Hedonism, Nihilism and Paganism all rolled into one.

And one reads the liberal websites and listens to the progressives...these very things you have rightly pointed out are blamed on capitalism. You have identified the falsehood in their propaganda.

It is not the pride of a capitalist,to exist and take what ever it can, for itself, while it remains here in this reality, although this is what they would have one believe.

This is what they believe capitalism has bred. When in fact it is their own philosophy that has created the greed, the jealousy, the lack of pride of self, and the ability to have work for its own reward.

19 posted on 07/11/2010 8:08:16 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: IbJensen

There are now a few generations of Americans that grew up watching their parents and grandparents sitting around receiving “benefits” and not holding a steady job. They are now “entitled” to the benefits and know that they will never have to work unless they want to escape the rather poor, lazy life. Unfortunately, too many are inclined to settle for living poorly without exerting any effort in life.


20 posted on 07/11/2010 8:12:30 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: bigbob
Which is why I think the public works concept deserves consideration, even as a big fan of less government. Seems better to pay people to do needed work than to pay them to not work.

I can't help but think of the phrase shouted just a few short years ago...they do the jobs Americans won't do. Public works to reteach a whole generation how to work. Because they all thought those jobs were beneath them to even consider doing. It was better to be on welfare...than pick fields, dig ditches, etc. I don't think we will see the demographic of concern...move to public works. Those who will take those jobs...are the one's who are too embarrassed to be on public assistance to begin with.

21 posted on 07/11/2010 8:12:46 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: esoxmagnum
Every time I go out somewhere I see the same . Its a fat, dumpy white woman of indeterminant age who has between 1-2 kids with her, no wedding ring, and is usually telling someone else (either in person or on a cell phone) the pathetic story of her life. I have like this because, to me, these people are interchangable. I honestly don't remember seeing anyone (or hardly anyone) like that when I was growing up. Now such people are legion. The chance that any of them will amount to a hill of beans is nill. Welcome to the New America.
22 posted on 07/11/2010 8:16:29 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: bigbob

Yup. I didn’t read your comments before I posted mine, but you’ve obviously observed folks very similar to those that I see daily.


23 posted on 07/11/2010 8:17:18 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: esoxmagnum

Every time I go out somewhere I see the same PERSON. Its a fat, dumpy white woman of indeterminant age who has between 1-2 kids with her, no wedding ring, and is usually telling someone else (either in person or on a cell phone) the pathetic story of her life. I have PERSON in caps because, to me, these people are interchangable. I honestly don’t remember seeing anyone (or hardly anyone) like that when I was growing up. Now such people are legion. The chance that any of them will amount to a hill of beans is nill. Welcome to the New America.


24 posted on 07/11/2010 8:17:52 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: rbg81
Yup, I see them at my daughter's softball games. Miserable women too.

I don't get it. I try and tell my divorced friends all the positives of being alone but they are all a bunch of sad sacks.

Me? I'd be alone in the desert Georgia O'Keefe style. As long as I had the Freepers, I'd be OK. (:

25 posted on 07/11/2010 8:20:21 AM PDT by riri
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To: call meVeronica
with attendant social and political problems

The no-go moslem zones in England and France will never work here. Our cops are too tough to give up that easily.

Perpetual pitchforks and nightly car-fire riots are what Obama is all about. It's just a matter of time. But the second amendment and castle doctrine are all we need to protect ourselves.

26 posted on 07/11/2010 8:28:58 AM PDT by x_plus_one (a crude, bigoted, xenophobic display of partisan political Presidential petulance..........)
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To: call meVeronica
with attendant social and political problems

The no-go moslem zones in England and France will never work here. Our cops are too tough to give up that easily.

Perpetual pitchforks and nightly car-fire riots are what Obama is all about. It's just a matter of time. But the second amendment and castle doctrine are all we need to protect ourselves.

27 posted on 07/11/2010 8:29:05 AM PDT by x_plus_one (a crude, bigoted, xenophobic display of partisan political Presidential petulance..........)
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To: rbg81
Every time I go out somewhere I see the same PERSON. Its a fat, dumpy white woman of indeterminate age who has between 1-2 kids with her, no wedding ring, and is usually telling someone else (either in person or on a cell phone) the pathetic story of her life. I have PERSON in caps because, to me, these people are interchangeable. I honestly don’t remember seeing anyone (or hardly anyone) like that when I was growing up. Now such people are legion. The chance that any of them will amount to a hill of beans is nil. Welcome to the New America.

I see the same people. Who found them attractive enough to father their children?

This is what 60 years of prosperity does to a once vibrant society. Truly, the social safety net has become a hammock.

28 posted on 07/11/2010 8:29:14 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: rbg81
I honestly don't remember seeing anyone (or hardly anyone) like that when I was growing up. Now such people are legion

When the welfare dries up...these will be the first to riot, first to plunder, and when that runs out, the first to starve....unless they challenge the one that will not be plundered.

Regardless, the end of the road is absolute.

29 posted on 07/11/2010 8:30:53 AM PDT by cbkaty (Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy---W Churchill)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Great minds ;-)

I heard this from a social worker maybe 15 years ago, and the problem was surely less widespread then than it has become today. But she make a point I’ll always remember, in describing these families she came into contact with where there had never been a working family member, where the kids never had seen an adult get up every day and go off to work. It shocked me then and it still does. We may be fellow Americans but I can’t imagine a culture that is more different than the one I grew up with. And I suspect that’s true for most of us here.

It remains the one aspect of our country and it’s future that gives me reason to despair. I’d like to believe that this can be turned-around, but it will take a 180 degree shift away from the Obamanation to do so. I guess that’s why I remain such a fan of Sarah Palin, who more than anyone truly believes and represents the kind of change we need. Maybe the next election will be more about that.


30 posted on 07/11/2010 8:32:10 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: IbJensen
I agree with you, it is the culture someone is raised in. Here in the middle of small town Oregon, thie previously unthinkable happened last week:

ROSEBURG, Ore.--The alleged rape and murder of a five-year-old Roseburg girl left some community members outraged, and one neighbor fearing her own daughter's well being.

  Sahara Dwight was found unconscious early Friday morning, and died a short while later.

  Dwight was allegedly killed by someone living in her own house. Sixteen-year-old Dustin Michael Wallace was charged with raping and murdering the little girl.

  It's an act not just neighbors, but residents who didn't even know the girl, still can't fathom.

  Jeniffer Hawkins wipes away tears thinking about what happened just a few houses down the street.

  Tears not just for 5-year-old Sahara Dwight --who was allegedly raped and murdered by her mom's boyfriend's son -- but also tears for what could have happened to her own daughter, in her own neighborhood.

    "It scared me really bad, knowing my daughter was over there playing," Hawkins said.

  Hawkin's little girl wasn't the only one.

    "We used to play on her trampoline. And she had rollerskates we used to skate on," seven-year-old Siera Summers said.

  Roseburg resident Mona Bly doesn't even know the family. But she says, as a mother...

    "I've been bawling my eyes out. I couldn't stop thinking about the mom, I couldn't stop thinking about the mommy."

  Flowers, card, and teddy bear in hand, she hugged a family member, asking how Sahara's mom is holding up.

    "She's in the same room, in the same house where her little girl was being murdered. What do you do with those emotions?"

  Sahara's family packed up the house.  While down the street, Hawkins was still trying to figure out her own emotions.

    "Not going to let them (daughters) go to anyone's house now because you never know."

  She's even planning to call a child pyschologist for her daughter.

    "It's got to be traumatizing at 7-years-old to find out a friend of yours, that this happened," she said.

    When you think of how tall 5-year-olds are, they need to be helped, need to be protected," Bly said.

  Wallace will be charged as an adult. Those charges include aggravated murder, rape and sexual abuse.

  An autopsy is scheduled for Monday.

Roseburg Neighbors and Residents React to Little Girl's Murder | KEZI]

Unemployment here is high as is the instance of meth use/manufacturing. Yet our congressman proudly labels himself "progressive" and our churches celebrated the election of a socialist/liberation theology soaked president. Cause and effect. I am so angry about the death of this little girl I didn't know.

31 posted on 07/11/2010 8:36:16 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: riri

bttt


32 posted on 07/11/2010 8:36:22 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: IbJensen
"It is obvious that the Federal Government's intention is to create a permanent segment of the population to be on the "dole," much like the UK has. This will solidify the government's power over a huge portion of the economy."

These positions of power will be populated by Black civil rights type lawyers with huge salaries who will demand and receive even more middle-class resources to redistribute to the down trodden/unemployed.

Anything else would be racist.

33 posted on 07/11/2010 8:39:02 AM PDT by blam
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To: STONEWALLS

“...I fear that something like Roosevelt’s CCC may be required...”

You’re right that many of the feral youth of today wouldn’t accept living in CCC camps. The only alternative therefore will be PRISON.


34 posted on 07/11/2010 9:03:11 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: rbg81
Every time I go out somewhere I see the same . Its a fat, dumpy white woman of indeterminant age who has between 1-2 kids with her, no wedding ring,

ROTFL

Sounds like you got dumped by an overweight white woman.

35 posted on 07/11/2010 9:03:45 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

Sounds like he spends an inordinant amount of time in Walmart to me.


36 posted on 07/11/2010 9:05:06 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: IbJensen
We simply don’t know whether the next wave of entrepreneurship—if we are able to launch it—will absorb the millions of young, less-educated men who seem lost to economic activity.

We do know. The next likely dot-com wave of entrepreneurship will be robotics, and this will be the end of most jobs for the left side of the bell curve. But unlike being poor in the past, being hungry and scrounging 7 days a week, today's poor are the new leisure class, with every amenity of modern life. Robotics will give socialism, for the first time in history, an endless supply of workers that don't mind having all the fruits of their labor confiscated by the state.

37 posted on 07/11/2010 9:24:34 AM PDT by Reeses (Sowcialist: a voter bought with food stamps)
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To: bigbob

I am not a big government fan at all but at this point I think it might be better to have some real infrastructure work to do and offer people a choice between work or no income. Some don’t even have a concept of making their own living, the only way they might learn it is to show them a job and give them the choice.

Even if we just kept some of them busy picking up litter at least it might teach them something. It would seem to beat just giving them money to do nothing.

I think the real winner would be a return to the old poor farm concept, if you can’t make it on your own move to the farm and work for your bed and board, no cash income. I will guarantee that most people would rather take a regular job.


38 posted on 07/11/2010 12:08:34 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: esoxmagnum; IbJensen

Thank you for sharing this story.


39 posted on 07/11/2010 12:18:43 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: rbg81

In my immediate area (radius of 20 miles) I recently have been seeing more and more pregnant young women who are not wearing wedding rings.


40 posted on 07/11/2010 12:21:58 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: IbJensen
Just a few points. To employ someone, what they do has to turn a profit for your business. It's difficult for a low skill individual to create that value. Required social security, insurance, record keeping requirements and worker's comp increases the cost of hiring an individual to approximately twice their actual salary.

Illegals have taken up many of the jobs young people used to do, particularly lawn maintenance type jobs. When I was a kid, I earned my pocket money mowing yards in the neighborhood. I know of few kids who do that now.

Movie theaters, by going to megaplexes, have reduced the number of low skilled jobs. The old movie theaters used to have seven employees for a one screen theater: two ushers, two candy counter employees, a projectionist, ticket taker and a ticket seller. Now a theater with sixteen screens will have maybe twelve employees on duty; one ticket taker, four candy counter, two ticket sellers, four or five ushers and one or two projectionists.

At Walmarts and supermarkets, self-check has one employee monitoring four lines, rather than a checker and a bagger in each line.

At some point, they're going to turn the touch screens at the fast food restaurants around and the customer will place their own order, swipe a card, and won't contact a worker until their order is ready.

Finally, theft and idiotic behavior is more acceptable across the board in society today than it was forty years ago. About fifty percent of the unemployed people listed in this article are people an employer doesn't want on their property at all.

You want this guy working for you at any price?


41 posted on 07/11/2010 12:32:59 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball

I don’t use the self checkout. I want someone to ring up my order and bag it. The cost of that is included in my grocerys that I purchase. Plus it keeps the employees in a job.


42 posted on 07/11/2010 12:36:33 PM PDT by linn37 ( "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: IbJensen
Americans Who’ll Never Work Again,

Mel Gibson, as bad as I feel for him, has done this to himself...

43 posted on 07/11/2010 12:41:18 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (If the right has TEABAGGERS, then the left has SCUMBAGGERS and DOUCHEBAGGERS!!!)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
When Katrina hit New Orleans, some of the people who got moved out had been on welfare for several generations. There was one interview with a guy in his seventies who had been evacuated and ended up in Utah. He looked around and said he had NEVER IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE BEEN OUTSIDE OF NEW ORLEANS PARISH. He had difficulty believing the scenery in Utah was real.

I conform to certain standards primarily because I want to keep my job. If the government will provide you the same amount of money as a job but not have any requirements, why would you go through the hassle? I've been continuously employed since I was fourteen. Jobs are a pain in the @ss. I work cause I need the money. If Uncle Sugar provided me money, I'd probably quit working and live how I wanted.

44 posted on 07/11/2010 12:48:02 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: linn37

I use self checkout. Line’s shorter.


45 posted on 07/11/2010 12:49:27 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: STONEWALLS

“....a lot smaller percentage of young men today could or would work like that...especially minority men.”

Real simple, either they do or they can lay down in the street and die.

Eliminate welfare!


46 posted on 07/11/2010 12:57:22 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: EBH

I would say that I agree with you but they would have to be employed at Job Rate, $68 bucks an hour with full benes.


47 posted on 07/11/2010 1:04:31 PM PDT by Shady (No more LAWS based on LIES!!!!)
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To: ladyjane

Sounds like you got dumped by an overweight white woman.


Nope. Been married to the same woman for 24 years—and she is still petite. When my wife and I got married, we bot promised each other that we would stay in good shape and we have both kept that promise. IMHO, the is little that’s attractive about overweight people (men or women).


48 posted on 07/11/2010 1:16:58 PM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: Richard Kimball

<There was one interview with a guy in his seventies who had been evacuated and ended up in Utah. He looked around and said he had NEVER IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE BEEN OUTSIDE OF NEW ORLEANS PARISH.

Heck, you’ve got people who haven’t even been out of town. My mother used to teach elementary school in DC. Every year when they’d got to the Smithsonian or an art gallery, she had lots of students (and a number of accompanying parents) who’d never been to these attractions - in their own town, accessible by bus, and FREE.


49 posted on 07/11/2010 1:18:53 PM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: IbJensen

Of course we could, if we wanted, almost instantaneously create huge numbers of new low skill entry level jobs, with one simple policy change — eliminate the minimum wage.


50 posted on 07/11/2010 2:30:18 PM PDT by Stultis (Democrats. Still devoted to the three S's: Slavery, Segregation and Socialism.)
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