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Two Suburbs, Two Views of Obama
National Journal ^ | July 10, 2010 | Ronald Brownstein

Posted on 07/11/2010 7:50:25 AM PDT by C19fan

-- In this comfortable white-collar suburb southeast of Denver, the struggling economy is like a storm cloud on the horizon: menacing but still distant. A few miles away, in blue-collar Littleton, the downturn is more like a gale at the door. Yet both places share a volatile anxiety over the nation's direction that looms over the November election.

On July 4, 2008, I visited these two communities and found them starkly divided over the presidential race. White working-class voters in Littleton expressed doubts about Barack Obama's priorities, experience, and even loyalty, while Centennial's college-educated professionals were enthusiastic about his candidacy.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: obama; suburbs
Any inside knowledge of Centennial, CO? Sounds like a limousine liberal enclave but I could be wrong.
1 posted on 07/11/2010 7:50:27 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Ron Brownstein, ‘Nuff said.


2 posted on 07/11/2010 7:55:52 AM PDT by kabar
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To: C19fan

Wow - So the line “It would have been much worse without all of our massive spending and driving the country into unrecoverable debt” works with much of the American electorate. Fantatsic.


3 posted on 07/11/2010 7:58:00 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: C19fan

I wish all those that voted for him went through hardship for a little while. Then they might appreicate what true working Americans have to go through.

I wish all the welfare sponges were cut off so they could learn of the anxiety working people experience to keep them on their welfare.

No one is hiring now because of uncertainly of obama’s healtcare garbage and the continued spending. If I had to hire someone, it damn sure wouldn’t be someone that helped put the clown in office. I would do my best to make sure that I never hired a democrat.


4 posted on 07/11/2010 7:58:42 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: C19fan

Well, I did watch that series DVD, it was like watching the west unfold before my eyes, step by step, it gave an idea about how the west was settled. However, the last episode, was horrible and I didn’t even finish it.
It is quite perflexing to me to recall how the evening news during the GOP difficult years could not have a news program without showing a section about someone losing their home and living in a car or something along that line.


5 posted on 07/11/2010 7:58:57 AM PDT by mel
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To: C19fan
Well, after taking my grandchildren to a really beautiful park in Centennial just three weeks ago........all I heard was what an idiot barry is and how he has destroyed the country. But hey that's just one park and one afternoon in June.
6 posted on 07/11/2010 7:59:02 AM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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To: C19fan

What do you expect? They don’t actually do anything or have to produce results. They live in magic land.


7 posted on 07/11/2010 8:01:34 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: ElayneJ

The left said the same thing about 3-term dictator FDR. I was taught those lies in public “school books” aka propaganda.


8 posted on 07/11/2010 8:01:57 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: C19fan

Did he ask the most important question?

Are you better off now than 2 years ago?


9 posted on 07/11/2010 8:03:05 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Sometimes you have to go to dark places to get to the light....)
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To: Clock King

So....college educated people don’t do or produce anything? Really? Are you posting from somewhere other than planet Earth?


10 posted on 07/11/2010 8:03:42 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: Frantzie

Yep - so was I!


11 posted on 07/11/2010 8:07:37 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: svcw

I went to the local muni golf course yesterday. It is cheap so it is one small luxury during the O Depression. The old guys ride around the course making sure no one is sneaking on or fooling around. All old white guys of course, no minorities.

Well there is this one old guy who is a union Catholic type. The 50%+ part of Catholics who voted for the idiot. I have a few distant idiot relative who did the same thing not union but Cath.

Well the old guy proudly displayed his O sticker on his car. It has been there since the election. Well he must have removed it in the last month.

My guess is a few parts of Denver and a lot of Boulder and some of Durango are still hold outs for the islamo-marxist.


12 posted on 07/11/2010 8:08:33 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: ElayneJ

Yeah - FDR saved all of us. Oddly the 1929 investment pools manipulators were Democrats (Joe Kennedy) like the hedge funds today. 1929 and 2008 may have been a setup to grab power.


13 posted on 07/11/2010 8:12:20 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: rbg81

Some of “college” educated people who got degrees in BS subjects do not produce anything. Medical people produce things as do engineers, scientists (not phony govt stooge scientists or people chasing grants or global warming) and a few others. Lawyers do not produce anything.


14 posted on 07/11/2010 8:15:26 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: C19fan
“while Centennial’s college-educated professionals were enthusiastic about his candidacy.”

Excuse me! I live here! Been in the area for 40 years and in Centennial since they created the city a few years ago. I'm college educated (and a couple months away from a masters degree). I was horrified by Obama’s platform and mortified by his presidency thus far. Most of the people I know around here lean the same way, though admittedly not as far as I do.

Centennial is a very long skinny city created primarily to prevent a tax-base grab by neighboring Greenwood Village. To West is where Littleton is and to the East is more Aurora.

btw: definitely NOT a ‘limousine liberal enclave’. You're thinking of Boulder.

15 posted on 07/11/2010 8:16:21 AM PDT by mad puppy (Steve McIntyre, we owe you frothy cold one. Thanks.)
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To: C19fan
From the article:

"People don't realize how much worse it would have been if we hadn't done the stimulus," said Doug Christ, who owns rental properties and car washes.

I would love a reporter who knew how to ask a follow up question, which is a long lost art now.

What if Brownstein had asked Christ: "What specific programs in the stimulus package have significantly benefited your business or your town's economy?"

Stimulus has been debunked by so many economists now, it is a joke. Yes, we kept a few teachers on the payroll, and continued work on a few bridges, but how many jobs were created or saved from $787 billion? Last October, Obama said 640,000 jobs were "created or saved" by Stimulus. That comes out to over $1.2 million dollars per job. So three months later, the 640,000 number magically becomes 2 million! Now a "created or saved" job only cost the taxpayers $390,000. What a bargain!

16 posted on 07/11/2010 8:19:39 AM PDT by magellan
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To: Clock King
Are you talking about college educated people? Wow, I guess those 60-80 hours a week my husband works at his engineering job are just an illusion.
17 posted on 07/11/2010 8:21:06 AM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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To: C19fan

I wouldn’t call Centennial a limousine liberal enclave. It’s a bit like the nicer suburbs immediately outside of Atlanta. It’s gentrified, a bit szi-szi.

Pretty middle of the road, really.

Obama took Arapahoe County 56 to 48%. It will swing back the other direction in 2010.


18 posted on 07/11/2010 8:21:42 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Frantzie

Yea, I agree. My daughter and family live in Highlands Ranch, there is not a barry sticker left in the neighborhood.


19 posted on 07/11/2010 8:23:48 AM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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To: svcw
My daughter and family live in Highlands Ranch, there is not a barry sticker left in the neighborhood.

Hell, in Austin I still see plenty of Obama AND Kerry stickers.

Yep, they're STILL drinkin the Kool-Aid there.

20 posted on 07/11/2010 8:31:05 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: svcw

I spent about a week in that area near Littleton. It did not seem super lib to me. My guess a lot of people with jobs or those who had jobs plus mortgages they are paying or trying to pay.

I bet their lives were MUCH better when Bush was President.

Boulder, Durango and seedier parts of Denver probably still have “true believers.”


21 posted on 07/11/2010 8:33:02 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: unixfox
Hee-hee! I'm going to "one-up" you. I still see Wellstone stickers in Minneapolis. LOL Well, maybe not LOL....
22 posted on 07/11/2010 8:34:32 AM PDT by mplsconservative (I stand with Israel.)
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To: C19fan

Someone beleives a single word published by the nutter leftist National Journal or nutjob Ronny ?


23 posted on 07/11/2010 8:36:25 AM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: C19fan

Ron, you leftist prick, Obama’s ‘candidacy?????????? He’s NOT running in 2010 you libtard! What candidacy??? Leftist tool!


24 posted on 07/11/2010 8:39:25 AM PDT by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: boycott
I wish all those that voted for him went through hardship for a little while.

Agreed. Especially those employed non-minority men who, despite the bullseye on their backs, became so enraptured with the "hope 'n change" rhetoric and were so pleased with themselves for voting for the county's first non-white (i.e., mulatto, not black) president, they failed to learn of the history and to understand the stated objectives of BO.

25 posted on 07/11/2010 8:40:31 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: mad puppy

Both Ronny Brownstein and the Journal are far left frauds and liars.
I visit both locations for work and I realize this article is pure propaganda.


26 posted on 07/11/2010 8:40:57 AM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: Frantzie

I’ve wondered about that - the 2008 situation, that is. Recall the Kanjorski interview on CSpan? There’s been no investigation. Now why would that be?


27 posted on 07/11/2010 8:50:11 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: CaspersGh0sts
LOL
dont mean to sound snarky, but check your math, my friend.
28 posted on 07/11/2010 8:55:56 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: unixfox

I* live 35 miles NW of Austin. My zero voting neighbor had a “Texans for Obozo” on her Prius. It is gone and the “HOPE” sticker has been replaced with a “DOPE” sticker with the joker’s face. I was shocked to say the least.


29 posted on 07/11/2010 9:03:50 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: C19fan
"...he's drawn the most support from young people, minorities, and whites with college degrees (especially women). "

... and they were supposed to be the "smart" ones.

30 posted on 07/11/2010 9:13:15 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Show me what Obama brought that was new and there you will find things only radical and destructive.)
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To: C19fan

Wait until Zero let’s the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year and the economy tanks—the Obama stickers will almost disappear entirely. Only union members and Zero-worshipping minorities will have them.


31 posted on 07/11/2010 9:24:24 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Impeach Zerobama and his band of Commie Czars)
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To: boycott
No one is hiring now because of uncertainly of obama’s healtcare garbage and the continued spending. If I had to hire someone, it damn sure wouldn’t be someone that helped put the clown in office. I would do my best to make sure that I never hired a democrat.

Well, I'm hiring. While my competitors are flailing, tearing their shirts, and gnashing their teeth, I'm investing in my business and growing. Yes, I'm careful and conserving cash more than I would in other circumstances, but I'm not participating in the recession. My company's sales increased 21% last year while my industry was down across the board. We're profitable. We just finished our best June in five years.

And while I tend to think democrats are irrational, political party does not come into play when hiring someone. I want the best people I can afford, no matter what political party, school affiliation, pro football team preference, or other non-business related factors.

Attitude is really, REALLY important when running a business. You have to make up your mind to succeed in spite of economic, regulatory, and tax headwinds. I've got faith that I can be more nimble than the bureaucrats who want to destroy capitalism. I'll outlast them and we'll start to take our country back in November.

If some larger corporations appear to freeze in their tracks out of fear, it's probably because they're looking at options off-shore. It's a global economy today and capital will seek the best returns. Just watch as the drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico leave.

32 posted on 07/11/2010 9:36:22 AM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: Entrepreneur

That all sounds good but in my area of the country there are a lot of folks just looking for easy discrimination lawsuits, disability fraud tickets out, etc. The majority of those folks would be democrats. Yeah, I know some republicans play that game too but the majority would be democrats.

Unions invest more time finding ways to get out of work than they do working. They’re far more interested in what they can take from the company than what they can offer the business. My guess is most of these folks would call themselves democrats.

My business increased sales 23% last year. We’ll do better this year.

And no, my opinion isn’t about race. I would vote for Thomas Sowell or Clarence Thomas for president before I would most of the republican names I am hearing being thrown around.

Most democrats are either disillusioned or want to play the blame game. I don’t want that mindset or attitude working with me.


33 posted on 07/11/2010 10:09:17 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: svcw

I’m an engineer too (EE), and I know about the work load, but people like your husband and I are PRODUCING something. I’m ranting about college “professors” like Bill Ayers or Angela Davis, who corrupt young minds, teach nothing but despair, grade papers based on their “feelings”, and then whine about the evils of our society while pulling down six figure salaries. A lot of one’s political leanings depends on how you make your money.


34 posted on 07/11/2010 10:18:22 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: boycott
I would vote for Thomas Sowell or Clarence Thomas for president before I would most of the republican names I am hearing being thrown around.

I would crawl over broken glass to vote for either Sowell or Thomas.

You're right about the attitude. If we interview someone and do background due diligence and catch a whiff of that attitude, we're not hiring that person. It's happened. There's been more than once when we were ready to hire someone until we read his/her social media page.

35 posted on 07/11/2010 10:31:40 AM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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“There’s been more than once when we were ready to hire someone until we read his/her social media page. “


LOL! Some of these folks aren’t to bright.


36 posted on 07/11/2010 10:39:50 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: svcw

Oh so some idiots in Highlands Ranch voted for hope & change? The bloom is off the rose now?


37 posted on 07/11/2010 10:58:13 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: Clock King
Got it. Good thing you two like your jobs. Now if he could just get a raise. ,-) Last year no raise but they changed his job title to “scientist” and gave him new business cards. Our grandkids really liked that, now say their Grandfather is a scientist. If they would just stop challenging their teachers with “I'll get back to you on that after I check with my scientist”.
38 posted on 07/11/2010 11:59:09 AM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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To: Kansas58


LOL
dont mean to sound snarky, but check your math, my friend.”

I know what you mean. I saw it myself this morning. To be fair, that’s not math. That’s a comparison.

It was a quick typo on the way to church. Should be 44 and 56.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Colorado,_2008


39 posted on 07/11/2010 12:53:10 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: C19fan

“At Cornerstone, more people than in 2008 praised Obama personally and no one questioned his patriotism.”
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

No one questioned his patriotism? What do these people have between their ears, macaroni or spaghetti?


40 posted on 07/11/2010 1:12:22 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: C19fan

“Obama has a genuine well of respect, and time to recover lost ground before 2012. But each month of economic unease drains a little more goodwill from that well.”

Not sure using the word ‘well’ as a metaphor for respect for Obama is a good idea right about now....


41 posted on 07/11/2010 2:35:08 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: C19fan

Centennial? Tom Tancredo’s old district? This author is living in dream land. He probably found the handful of liberals who live there.


42 posted on 07/11/2010 2:43:19 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: keepitreal

If Centennial voted preferentially for Obama, someone better check the voting machines. These people are solidly Conservative, and definitely not wealthy liberals. They work for a living. Imagine that!


43 posted on 07/11/2010 5:48:14 PM PDT by virgin (Don't screw with me.)
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