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eBay Noise: '5 days straight and not 1 sale', Sellers rant (goes viral)
Examiner ^ | July 9, 11:17 AM | Monique Stout

Posted on 07/11/2010 10:05:06 AM PDT by granite

On April 5th, 2010, just 6 days after eBay implemented another round of changes -- click here to see the official announcement --  eBay seller zenartinc posted the following topic in eBay's Seller Central Discussion Forum: "5 DAYS STRAIGHT, NOT 1 SALES. SELLING FOR 10 YRS.WHAT THE IS GOING ON HERE!".  It has now been over 3 months and it is by far still the hottest topic on the forum.

As of today, there are over 5,600 replies in response to to the original post (click here to read entire thread), the majority of which are complaints from sellers about the lack of sales on eBay.  To be fair, the replies are not from 5600 unique sellers, but there is something to be said for any forum topic that stays in the forefront for that amount of time.  

Apparently, eBay sellers who have posted in the thread have a laundry list of complaints:

Whatever is going on, someone in management forgot that most of eBay's small-medium sellers are also buyers:  alienate one and you have alienated the other, which explains the continued growth of Amazon and the rapid growth of eBay-alternative sites such as eCrater, Etsy, and Bonanzle.

Back in 2007, eBay CEO John Donohoe said: "We had to create a vision of the future so people could let go of a very successful past."*   If the current customer dissatisfaction is any indication, management has performed admirably.

* Quoted taken from www.leggmason.com, full speech is available here.


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Back in 2007, eBay CEO John Donohoe said: "We had to create a vision of the future so people could let go of a very successful past."* If the current customer dissatisfaction is any indication, management has performed admirably.
1 posted on 07/11/2010 10:05:11 AM PDT by granite
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To: granite

Ebay sucks for selling. However, for buying, it can’t be beat.


2 posted on 07/11/2010 10:15:33 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: granite
My mother was reading this article on another site as I was reading this on FR!

My mom is an old school Ebayer. She has had a small home business since 1999 on Ebay selling mostly small antiques (jewelry, clothes, dishes, etc).

She says that Ebay has "flatlined" because there are way too many people on there now. When she started in 1999, there were 2 - 3 million listings on Ebay. She says now that there are 137 million.

3 posted on 07/11/2010 10:19:05 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: granite

If you know what you’re doing, selling on eBay is not a problem. I suspect a lot of these complaints are from people who have no idea what they’re doing.


4 posted on 07/11/2010 10:21:29 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("Why should I feed pirates?"--Russian officer off Somalia)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
eBay sucks for selling. However, for buying, it can’t be beat.

Actually for buying eBay can be beat, especially for cameras and computer items, whether new or added memory chips. Just "Google" the item(s) you want and then compare prices. Many "buy it now" items include additional charges for postage.

I like to check alternate prices and sources before locking onto eBay. eBay can be a winner, though, but not always.

5 posted on 07/11/2010 10:25:44 AM PDT by olezip
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To: granite
E-Bays feed back system allows blatant lies and NO seller protection.
6 posted on 07/11/2010 10:26:16 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: granite
I love the scene in The 40 Year Old Virgin where the kid wants to buy something and the lady keeps telling him he has to go on eBay to buy it.
7 posted on 07/11/2010 10:32:02 AM PDT by Krankor
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

They’re really cooking the golden goose that once was Ebay. Ya’ don’t suppose the Feds got in on the act, do ya? Hmmm...


8 posted on 07/11/2010 10:34:13 AM PDT by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: denydenydeny
If you know what you’re doing, selling on eBay is not a problem. I suspect a lot of these complaints are from people who have no idea what they’re doing.

According to my mother who's been on Ebay for 11 yrs, the complaints are very legit.

She says that China has ruined Ebay. Cheap Chinese crap has flooded Ebay. The Chinese items are replicas of the items that are listed by the long time American sellers, but are at much lower quality and lower price. It's pretty much the WAL MART scenario.

Another complaint from my mother: there are separate sites that allow sellers to list items and manage their auctions. My mother and a lot of the old school Ebayers used a site called Vendio.

Vendio was bought out by a Chinese company and the customer service is now through an Indian call center. As you can expect, this is a huge pain in the ass and my mother eventually canceled.

My mom could talk to me all day about all the policy changes that Ebay has made that has totally screwed up everything. In a nutshell: cheap Chinese sh*t and horrible business decisions by Ebay to squeeze literally every cent from buyer and seller are ruining a uniquely American business.

9 posted on 07/11/2010 10:35:47 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: granite

I didn’t see anywhere in here that maybe the lack of sales was due to the poor economy and the gargantuan amount of uncertainty Obama’s policies are injecting into the economy for all businesses and consumers.


10 posted on 07/11/2010 10:36:18 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Obama: "I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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To: fightinJAG

My take on that is folks are relying more and more on sites like Ebay for deals and to bottom fish but go elsewhere as there are fewer and fewer deals to be had.


11 posted on 07/11/2010 10:44:21 AM PDT by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: fightinJAG

Bingo. Also, supply and demand are key factors. Rare items command high prices. The “haves” buy on Ebay. The “have-nots” look on Ebay but don’t do much buying. Unfortunately, due to Obama’s Cloward & Piven economy, the have-nots far outnumber the haves.


12 posted on 07/11/2010 10:45:03 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: denydenydeny
Actually, many of the complaint's listed in the article are valid. I don't sell on eBay but I've bought there....the Chinese list flooding - for instance - is particularly annoying. Doubly so if you're shopping on a smart phone.

Also, the search algorithm is pretty bad, although it's not as bad as Amazon's, which is completely ridiculous.

In fact, Amazon's is so bad I won't shop there anymore...(although there are a couple other reasons I'm through with their crap site).

13 posted on 07/11/2010 10:46:42 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: pingman

And if you can buy the same item at Target or Wal-Mart for the SAME price, you’ll not pay for shipping at the store, unlike Ebay. Ebay is still GREAT for items you can’t find in stores, especially antiques that are small enough to ship.


14 posted on 07/11/2010 10:48:07 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: granite

I quit using eBay when it went to crap a few years ago. Too many rule changes, too anti-gun, and too much protection of bad sellers. Plus, I hate PayPal.


15 posted on 07/11/2010 10:51:10 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: granite

What makes it worse for buyers is that there is no way to permanently opt out of foreign listings, that I have been able to figure out. Every time you do a search, you have to go to the left-hand side and re-search US or North America only. It is maddening. I am not going to buy anything from a Chinese (or Thailand) vendor. Period. The only place I might even consider buying from outside of North America is the UK, and an irresistible opportunity to do that hasn’t come up yet. Like much else in our world, the Chinese have screwed up something that used to work just fine.


16 posted on 07/11/2010 10:51:54 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: olezip

Ditto.


17 posted on 07/11/2010 10:53:12 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: granite

Ebay was cool when it was a collection of mom and pops that typically policed themselves. I haven’t visited in years, though, as it has become one gnarly mess that looks more like scammers than genuine buyers and sellers.

They died from their own popularity.


18 posted on 07/11/2010 10:56:08 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Cheetahcat
E-Bays feed back system allows blatant lies and NO seller protection.

Paypal refunds before a shipment can possibly arrive, negative feedback on unpaid purchases, 18 days to go through the dispute resolution to get such negative feedbacks removed.

In a few hours, I could get several of the biggest US sellers on eBay locked out for at least a week, and repeat the process over and over again, and there's nothing a seller can do to stop me.

It is really a shame, as a whole lot of people depend upon eBay for their income and with each change, they make it harder and harder just to keep your head above water.

19 posted on 07/11/2010 11:02:16 AM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: granite
I haven't used eBay in years, so I've only heard tales about how bad it's become for sellers, but this caught my eye:

listings from eBay China (whose sellers pay no fees and consequently flood the site with unlimited listings of the same items)

Does anybody know why sellers from China are getting a break like this?

20 posted on 07/11/2010 11:02:26 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace, peace," but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
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To: olezip

Sometimes it is very hard to beat Ebay in used tech. Part of my job is to list used but good tech or denoted with problems if someone wants it for parts. I can make a deal on some nice DVCams and disk arrays lol...

Seriously I expect to be shut down or scaled back to straight break/fix. I was told when this started a few months ago by the head guy I was designed to fail on purpose, I figured I would do the best I could with what I was given which wasn’t a hell of a lot.


21 posted on 07/11/2010 11:02:51 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: olezip

Sometimes it is very hard to beat Ebay in used tech. Part of my job is to list used but good tech or denoted with problems if someone wants it for parts. I can make a deal on some nice DVCams and disk arrays lol...

Seriously I expect to be shut down or scaled back to straight break/fix. I was told when this started a few months ago by the head guy I was designed to fail on purpose, I figured I would do the best I could with what I was given which wasn’t a hell of a lot.


22 posted on 07/11/2010 11:02:57 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Cheetahcat
E-Bays feed back system allows blatant lies and NO seller protection

100% true!! Often the buyer holds the seller hostage to frivolous but costly, demands.

I am looking for another venue to hawk my wares.

23 posted on 07/11/2010 11:04:54 AM PDT by Stars&StripesNE
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To: granite

I’ve never had much luck with eBay. When I buy something, it’s often a scam. When I sell something, it always goes for 99 cents.


24 posted on 07/11/2010 11:05:46 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: denydenydeny

I have a reserve listing on an old Jeep that I haven’t touched in ages and some priorities in life have changed over time. People have certainly found it and ask. However there is a reserve on it because I just won’t turn it loose. I also didn’t put my cell number in the ad because I know I would be under seige by everybody and their brother with stupid questions, attempts to talk me into something, or wanting me to give it away due to age. I have given it out to people who acutally request it. It has a day or two to go.


25 posted on 07/11/2010 11:07:59 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Stars&StripesNE

I rarely use Ebay any more. Craigslist has done OK for me. I am selling some very nice higher end jewelery for someone who doesn’t want to be named. I listed three of them a few days ago and one is sold. I also have them up at Upillar which I haven’t had any success with.


26 posted on 07/11/2010 11:11:31 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: kingu
Paypal refunds before a shipment can possibly arrive, negative feedback on unpaid purchases, 18 days to go through the dispute resolution to get such negative feedbacks removed. In a few hours, I could get several of the biggest US sellers on eBay locked out for at least a week, and repeat the process over and over again, and there's nothing a seller can do to stop me.

My mother said this, too. She said she has known of sellers that have delivered an item, the buyer disputes it or says the item was never delivered, and Paypal takes the money out of their account.

So, a seller loses their item AND the payment.

27 posted on 07/11/2010 11:13:17 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: denydenydeny

I have been selling on eBay since 1998 , I had one userid blacklisted by a demonstrably wrong VERO complaint in 2000 killing a $50,000/yr gross $20,000 net sideline on me .. I continued to use eBay for buying and selling until the one-sided feedback came in ,, mostly buying ... I had 2 scammers steal from me with eBays and PayPals help in the last month ... I know what I’m doing and I’m done with them.


28 posted on 07/11/2010 11:17:01 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Their Blackthorn software is horrid and there is very little documentation out there when it develops an error code.


29 posted on 07/11/2010 11:22:33 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: kingu

Paypal refunds before a shipment can possibly arrive
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They got me for a few hundred on that ,, 30 minutes after I sent a “your item has shipped” e:mail the buyer reported a case of “identity theft” to PayPal and got a full refund from me throwing my account into a negative balance ... the item was being shipped to their verified address...


30 posted on 07/11/2010 11:23:28 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
She said she has known of sellers that have delivered an item, the buyer disputes it or says the item was never delivered, and Paypal takes the money out of their account.

A coworker told me a similar thing happened to a friend of hers recently. This sounds like widespread scam activity to me...the "buyers" get the product, a refund from Paypal and probably create a new user ID the next day to rip somebody else off. Paypal is to blame for enabling this, because they should issue no refund until proof of non-delivery is provided to them (i.e., a UPS, FedEx or USPS acknowledgement of 'package lost').
31 posted on 07/11/2010 11:26:06 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving.)
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To: Neidermeyer
I had 2 scammers steal from me with eBays and PayPals help in the last month ... I know what I’m doing and I’m done with them.

Same problems, much bigger scale. Even found out today that there's a person aiming to have the account shut down for satisfying more than 99% of the customers, because some retroactively decide to change the terms of sale and get rather whiny when there's no interest in accepting their blackmail.

If I could find an honest competitor for open bidding that had enough of a base to support it, I'd start driving a percentage of auctions to the alternative, and increase it based upon sale through.

32 posted on 07/11/2010 11:26:20 AM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: wally_bert

Selling jewelry on Craigslist? Hmmm.. In-person transactions with strangers can be risky. Recently, a guy selling a diamond ring was murdered via a Craigslist transaction. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20004553-504083.html


33 posted on 07/11/2010 11:26:39 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: historyrepeatz

I have a few conditions for an inperson and this one isn’t. Paypal, cashier’s check, or personal checks all to be held for a few days.

For a local sale, it would have to be in a bank lobby or possibly a police station with an ID that I have seen some people advertise. There is no way I would just let anyone just walk in for a show at home.

The world is full of stupid people and criminals. I try my best to avoid both.


34 posted on 07/11/2010 11:30:22 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: LostInBayport

Seems many Freepers don’t know the ins and outs of Ebay. Sheesh! You have to do things RIGHT! Regarding the “I never got my item” scam, all the seller needs to do is send his/her item with Confirmation receipt.. Costs a dollar at the post office. or.. Registered or Certified mail. There’s NO WAY the buyer can dispute never getting their item. The sender/seller has PROOF that the item reached its destination.


35 posted on 07/11/2010 11:30:33 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: historyrepeatz

I don’t do the ebay thing myself, but I did suggest the same thing to my coworker...I pointed out that if they try to scam you after that, it is mail fraud!


36 posted on 07/11/2010 11:34:17 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving.)
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To: La Lydia

Have you tried saving your search criteria as a ‘saved search’?

I do that with sellers...I find a seller I like, and set the search criteria, do the search, and then bookmark that page. I do that to search ‘recently listed’, and I save the bookmark as ‘xxxxseller recently listed’.

Haven’t done that with searches though...don’t know if it will work.


37 posted on 07/11/2010 11:34:23 AM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: granite

I would never ever never consider buying OR selling on ebay or any other listing site. I just don’t trust any of the Moe, Larrys or Curlys who use them.


38 posted on 07/11/2010 11:35:36 AM PDT by Pilated
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To: Cheetahcat

I’m not sure what the right answer to that issue is.

The way it was before, a buyer could win an item, pay for it quickly, and receive it only to find that it was misrepresented. If the buyer left negative feedback, the seller could retaliate by leaving negative feedback for the buyer, though the buyer didn’t deserve it.

This allowed a lot of unscrupulous sellers to pass under the radar because buyers didn’t want their feedback rating ruined.

All I can say is that if a seller receives an unfair negative, at least they can leave a counter-response. I ignore negatives if there aren’t too many and if the seller provides a reasonable explanation.


39 posted on 07/11/2010 11:37:32 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: kingu

“Paypal refunds before a shipment can possibly arrive, negative feedback on unpaid purchases, 18 days to go through the dispute resolution to get such negative feedbacks removed.

In a few hours, I could get several of the biggest US sellers on eBay locked out for at least a week, and repeat the process over and over again, and there’s nothing a seller can do to stop me.

It is really a shame, as a whole lot of people depend upon eBay for their income and with each change, they make it harder and harder just to keep your head above water.”

usually they say a court order is needed to remove negative feedback,a lot of people work hard to keep the rating up and threats and abuse go unheard it is based on buyers “Feelings”.


40 posted on 07/11/2010 11:39:42 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: OrangeHoof

They died from their own popularity.


that’s it in a nutshell. I was and Ebayer for years and early on as a buyer and a seller.

It seems like as the years passed it got more expensive and more complex especially for the sellers and fees kept going up.

I don’t even go to the site anymore even to just shop and look.


41 posted on 07/11/2010 11:43:15 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey (here's my checkbook and my car-keys, my credit carThe bigger the government = The smaller the people)
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To: Stars&StripesNE

“100% true!! Often the buyer holds the seller hostage to frivolous but costly, demands.

I am looking for another venue to hawk my wares.”

Yes there are professional Scam artists that frequent the site and hold the sellers up for discounts, these people are allowed to go on.


42 posted on 07/11/2010 11:43:55 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

Excellent, You are so correct, I did a lot of camera business there at one time. Just Plain Old Fashion GREED has taken over operations at eBay and I no longer do business there. It simply wasn’t worth the grief trying to fight my way through the no good ,liars thieves and cheats that have made a home there.


43 posted on 07/11/2010 11:44:03 AM PDT by mongo141
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To: mongo141

The one time I bought a piece of camera equipment on Ebay, it worked out. It was a new in box Canon telephoto lens for about half the retail price. I sold it last year and got almost what I paid for it.


44 posted on 07/11/2010 11:49:23 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

There are some really sad posts on that board. I’m glad I got off the major Ebay selling a few years ago. Ebay has just gone to hell. It used to be fun and flexible.


45 posted on 07/11/2010 11:52:51 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: ozzymandus

I’m with you. I won’t pay for anything using PayPal. If that’s all a business accepts, they do not get my online business.


46 posted on 07/11/2010 11:55:09 AM PDT by Lurkus Maximus
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To: historyrepeatz
It's 19 cents extra for post office confirmation. I would never send a package without it.

I have had different problems, and always go the extra mile to please the buyer. eBay ALWAYS sides with the scam artist buyers who are looking for a freebie.

I figure they all must be democrats.

47 posted on 07/11/2010 12:05:02 PM PDT by Stars&StripesNE
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To: OrangeHoof

I miss the self policing atmosphere of the good old days.

Slightly OT, a few years ago I sold a 67 Cougar project car to a guy in OK. He mailed me a check which was good and I spoke to him on the phone a couple of times. About a month later, I hadn’t heard from him.

I did the usual contact stuff through Ebay, his regular e-mail, and voice mail. I concerned that something happened to the guy. A couple of weeks later, he got in touch with me. He had been laid up in the hospital if I remember right. I was about to call the local sheriff to make sure the guy was still alive. A couple of weeks later, he sent two guys to pick it up and take it home.


48 posted on 07/11/2010 12:05:14 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: wally_bert
Seems like I'm one of few here who likes Ebay, but I'm not one of those e-seller/store types either. I'll sell or buy something once and awhile. I have 200 Ebay transactions and have only been ripped off once.. A seller from Canada (50 bucks). Stay away from overseas purchases (or Canada.. Canadians will rip you off. Sorry, but true). Check the seller's feedback rating before you buy and the number of transactions they've had is important too..

Ebay is great to use if you have an item and want to see what it's selling for.. Find your item, bookmark it then return after auction close to see what it sold for. Hopefully, it wasn't the seller who falsely "shill bid" the item up.

49 posted on 07/11/2010 12:08:20 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: granite

Name your favorite Ebay alternative auction site!


50 posted on 07/11/2010 12:13:31 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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