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Greece tax agents raid rich cheats (Is this the future when governments run out of money?)
New York Post ^ | 07/11/2010 | Paul Tharp

Posted on 07/11/2010 8:53:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

It's the equivalent of shutting down the best Hamptons hangouts of the rich and famous and then following them to their beachfront homes to seize the places for unpaid real estate taxes.

That's what Greece's tax agents are doing this weekend in a desperate crackdown on its most notorious tax cheats living in posh holiday enclaves dotting Greece's Mediterranean coast.

Greece earlier provoked widespread revolt and weeks of riots, fire bombings and wildcat strikes to protest belt-tightening and pay cuts of civil servants made to tame Greece's bloated budget and forestall default.

Now, authorities are going after the rich. Taxmen first padlocked 10 of the top nightclubs and entertainment centers, starting in Athens and spreading to hip city Thessaloniki, for not collecting taxes from their rich party crowds.

Agents then went knocking on the doors of 990 well-to-do individuals identified by the Ministry of Finance as tax cheats who owe more than $8.5 million in back real estate taxes on their vacation homes and seaside hideaways, on which they failed to report their values totaling $721 million, the ministry said.

"Unless they pay their debts to the Greek state by July 20, the assets will be seized," the ministry said in a statement to The Post.

In recent weeks, such storm-trooper methods have shaken out $2.33 billion from businesses that failed to report sales taxes -- double the amount collected for the entire prior year, the ministry said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debt; greece; tax; taxevasion

1 posted on 07/11/2010 8:53:44 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Comming to North America real soon...


2 posted on 07/11/2010 8:56:04 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (John McCain is a proud Ted Kennedy conservative!)
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To: SeekAndFind

When big brother runs out of tricks, he starts looking for scapegoats.


3 posted on 07/11/2010 8:58:05 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: SeekAndFind

They are making Jesse Jackson proud!


4 posted on 07/11/2010 9:00:42 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: JohnD9207

Imagine tax agents knocking at your door demanding you pay up ( this is what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING NOW in Greece ).

Take note — here in the USA when the IRS accuses you of hiding income, the onus is on YOU to show you’re not guilty.
And after you spend money defending yourself, even if you are found to be innocent, YOU PAY FOR ALL THE EXPENSES.

This is what the 16th Amendment has wrought.


5 posted on 07/11/2010 9:03:06 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess I don’t have a problem with the government enforcing the law by rounding up people who have broken the law by not paying their taxes.


6 posted on 07/11/2010 9:04:02 PM PDT by stormer
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To: SeekAndFind
There was a story posted here on FR a couple weeks back that stated some ridiculous percentage of Greek government officials that own several homes/properties worth millions of dollars/euros on small salaries.

Wonder how that happened?

7 posted on 07/11/2010 9:05:46 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Vote Jill Stein for governor.)
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2451245/posts

Spain curbs ‘millionaire’ pay for air traffic controllers (incredible salaries)
Breitbart.com

According to figures released by the transport ministry last week, 135 controllers earned more than 600,000 euros (830,000 US dollars) per year while 713 earned between 360,000 and 540,000 euros.

By comparison Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero earns just under 92,000 euros a year while the average salary in Spain is just over 18,000 euros per year, according to government figures.
In addition, the controllers can retire at the age of 52.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...

Incredible. The Fall of the West. If they make nearly a MILLION DOLLARS a year while they are working, then retire at 52, don’t they get $30,000,000 in retirement pay, if they live long enough??? Total of $50,000,000 each??? What country could ever support this? Oh yeah: Spain, US, UAW, Obama, SEIU, they all want to try!!!


8 posted on 07/11/2010 9:06:13 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder what would happen if the Greek government decided to pay out benefits just as before, but multiplied by a tax compliance factor. So if they collected half the taxes they were “supposed” to, everybody’s benefit check were cut in half.

I suppose that wouldn’t change anything if there were little overlap between the tax payers and the benefit recipients.


9 posted on 07/11/2010 9:07:47 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: stormer

Greece is riddled with corruption.

How many of these tax cheats are innocent?

We will NEVER know.

The growing corruption of this country is not too far behind that of Mexico.

Why would you assume otherwise? Why else do the PTB want the US to be just like Mexico??


10 posted on 07/11/2010 9:08:12 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: JohnD9207

Shakedowns-R-Us!


11 posted on 07/11/2010 9:09:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: TruthConquers

In other words, everyone should stop paying taxes.


12 posted on 07/11/2010 9:21:33 PM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

Not a bad idea: The government is lawless and no taxes should be paid until our Constitutional government is restored to its proper limits.

Good point ;-)


13 posted on 07/11/2010 9:25:36 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: stormer

When lying is accepted, for what ever reason;
When a tax cheat heads the Treasury Department;
When banks get to cash in their wins, and put those loses onto the taxpayer;

Don’t be surprised at the moral hazards that will become accepted behavior.

We are on a slippery slope, sliding fast, and not realizing that you are misdirecting your anger is just dandy with the thieves on top off their $ta$h.


14 posted on 07/11/2010 9:34:51 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: GOPsterinMA

“There was a story posted here on FR a couple weeks back that stated some ridiculous percentage of Greek government officials that own several homes/properties worth millions of dollars/euros on small salaries.”

I saw that, names like....Rangelkous, Dowdlous, Gorekas and so forth. Is that the story you’re referencing? All owning multiple homes way out of proportion to the salaries they’ve earned during their gummint service.


15 posted on 07/11/2010 10:26:15 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Rembrandt

Right, except the story was about the Greek pols.

Chazz Rangel - how is he not inprisoned?


16 posted on 07/11/2010 10:29:27 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Vote Jill Stein for governor.)
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To: stormer

If the Greeks had been doing this all along, they would not have many of the problems that they have now. It’s well-known to European vacationers to being cash to Greece because you will get a better deal on anything. Greece effectively has two major economies.


17 posted on 07/11/2010 10:58:30 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

I’m one of those “European vacationers” and was last in Greece in October. No, you do not “get a better deal on anything” by using cash (to any extent beyond any advantage here in the states).


18 posted on 07/11/2010 11:11:26 PM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

“Their” taxes? You mean the money that the government decides to take from them. “Taxes” have evolved into government based corruption.


19 posted on 07/11/2010 11:16:24 PM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Sarajevo

How do you think that fancy red truck that shows up when your house is on fire is paid for? Are you new to the concept of democracy?


20 posted on 07/11/2010 11:26:45 PM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

Here, you can borrow this “/s”...


21 posted on 07/11/2010 11:33:44 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: stormer; Sarajevo

Yes....I think we are all new to the concept of Democracy.

Please, enlighten us and where this Democracy thing you speak of works wonders.

Please tell us why our money, some 60% maybe more, for those of us in the top 5% belongs to everyone and why is it that the lower 48% of so called flag waiving patriots are entitled to my loot?

How is that a man earning $100,000 per year as a government employee, can retire with $100,000 in retirement income every year and free medical, when that same man in the private sector, earning the same amount could never hope to retire with $100,000 in retirement income?

How is that fair? and this the Democracy you speak of?


22 posted on 07/11/2010 11:39:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m guessing that uber-rich Greeks will be buying second homes in Monaco, Switzerland and Bermuda in the near future.


23 posted on 07/11/2010 11:40:19 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The rallying cry of American patriots.....REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!)
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To: Vendome

How much is it worth to you to live in a stable, peaceful, clean, and prosperous nation? One that is the envy of many and leads the world in technology, medicine, and education? When was the last time you flipped your light switch and nothing happened, or turned the tap and found it dry? All of what you have is the product of generations working together to build a better world. Don’t like the way things are now? That’s why we have elections. Want to try the alternative? I’d suggest Somalia, North Korea, or Kyrgyzstan.


24 posted on 07/12/2010 12:35:53 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Vendome

And by the way, you’re gonna find out one way or the other, so I might as well break it to you - life ain’t fair.


25 posted on 07/12/2010 12:37:54 AM PDT by stormer
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To: SeekAndFind

It won’t be long before government thugs are showing up at people’s doors to simply confiscate whatever they decide the people don’t “need”. The elite government class and its “connected” allies will do whatever they have to in order to get paid. I still like G. Gordon Liddy’s answer: head shots.


26 posted on 07/12/2010 12:40:45 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: stormer; Vendome

I am not against the concept of fair taxation, but what I see is not fair. When the government takes from those of us who produce to give to those who don’t is wrong. When the government privatizes profits and makes debt a public burden is wrong.


27 posted on 07/12/2010 5:33:46 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: JohnD9207
"Comming to North America real soon..."

It's here already, in the form of state revenue departments. New York is absolutely panicking about the lack of revenue and has wound its enforcement officers up to fever pitch, including coming out swinging with criminal charges first, or concurrent with a civil audit.


28 posted on 07/12/2010 5:36:46 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: JohnD9207

The problem is that in America the tax cheats are running the government.


29 posted on 07/12/2010 6:05:08 AM PDT by CoastWatcher
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To: stormer

Life may not be fair, but some of us are tired of dragging the bottom half of the country (moochers) on our backs. Yes, hubby and I make a good living (but not as much as most think.) For that privelege, I paid 6 figures in income tax alone last year (more than 25% of my gross earnings). That would have paid college tuition for one of my kids for almost the entire 4 years (and BTW, no aid or loans for me, I make too much) And those I am supporting (unwillingly) are clamoring for more!

Atlas is indeed going to shrug. When I get my kids out of college, and no longer need the income, I will sell my house, pay cash for a small place up in the mountains, and drop out of the economy. You “life isn’t fair” people can find someone else to fleece. And that is eminently fair.


30 posted on 07/12/2010 6:14:23 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: JohnD9207
Comming to North America real soon...

Already here on many levels. Atlanta now has a 'Hit Squad' that goes around to office buildings making sure every company has a current city business license posted as required. Nothing illegal about it, but it is strictly a revenue generator.

31 posted on 07/12/2010 6:34:34 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: stormer
I guess I don’t have a problem with the government enforcing the law by rounding up people who have broken the law by not paying their taxes.

I don't too. Salaried workers usually don't have problems with the IRS. The problem usually arises when you have a business.

My problem is the 30,000 pages of tax code that one has to wade through. If you don't understand the tax code and they demand that you pay ( and pay with interest ) because this or that provision was not met, then you're screwed.

You have to hire a lawyer to negotiate with the IRS on your behalf.

I've seen too many small businessmen who have been harassed, audited by the IRS agents ( especially restaurant, eatery, cafeteria, diner, bar or pub owners ) to feel comfortable. This is happening in NY state today as this state is losing revenue like crazy and pensions and other liabilities still need to be fulfilled.

I have a friend for instance (an immigrant from Africa, now a Citizen), who designed a system that could possibly compete with the likes of Moneygram and Paypal -- a high tech remittance system built with parallel SUN SERVERS operating in his huge basement. Just as he was about to start operations ( he built a test website to prove the system works ), 7 agents visited his house in Connecticut demanding that he show this or that document to prove this was not a money laundering operation.

Two weeks of IRS visits took place until he was able to satisfy their demands. And guess what -- HE HAD TO PAY $7,000.00 for the effort the IRS took to make sure he was legitimate. They told him he had the right to litigate in court so that he did not have to pay the $7,000.00

Ask yourself, would you bother or simply pay up ?

In other words, the government is getting to act like the Sherrif of Nottingham because they don't have enough money to pay for their spending. What better targets than "greedy" businessmen?

If the tax system has to have 30,000 pages and you need to hire an expert accoutant to do your books, something is VERY wrong with the law.
32 posted on 07/12/2010 6:58:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: GOPsterinMA
Chazz Rangel - how is he not inprisoned?

I have always believed this .. and will still believe it until proven wrong ---- CHARLES RANGEL AND NANCY PELOSI HAVE THEIR POSITIONS IN CONGRESS FOR AS LONG AS THEY WANT IT.

Not even a video clearly showing Charles Rangel accepting a bribe for congressional favors will prevent his constituents from voting for him.
33 posted on 07/12/2010 7:02:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: stormer

You sir are an officous ass.

Thanks for answering the actual subject and acting like so many other confused citizens who suffer from ADHD and can’t follow a subject.

Though you probably shave that loser face of yours every day, let me remind you:

You are still a loser


34 posted on 07/12/2010 7:04:10 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
I’m guessing that uber-rich Greeks will be buying second homes in Monaco, Switzerland and Bermuda in the near future.

If I were Uber Rich, I would not even consider putting my money in Switzerland anymore. Their Parliament has caved in to the IRS and will waive their secrecy laws by providing the details of rich people's bank accounts.

This is not the same country it was for hundreds of years.

The long arm of the IRS has defeated the Swiss without firing a shot.
35 posted on 07/12/2010 7:04:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
“Not even a video clearly showing Charles Rangel accepting a bribe for congressional favors will prevent his constituents from voting for him.”

Or if your a former federal judge (Alcee Hastings) or if you're a swimmer (Ted Kennedy).

Good (but sad) observation.

36 posted on 07/12/2010 7:06:42 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Vote Jill Stein for governor.)
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To: stormer

Now that I read your first response let me remind you of your initial feelings when you wake up every day:

Yes, you are gay and dumber than a potted plant.

Either that or you take money from the state and then come to FR to spout your retarded crap.

You can’t possibly be an original American, otherwise you wouldn’t preach about the wonders of how over taxing me is just so fabulous.

Could you at least say thank you for all the taxes I pay to keep you in your subsidized housing?

I do, after all, pay more in taxes than most people make in a year and after reading your screed feel confident I am supporting your lazy ass.

If you would get out of bed before the sun comes up, you would be worlds ahead of your other food Stamp collecting miscreants.


37 posted on 07/12/2010 7:10:27 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

38 posted on 07/12/2010 7:45:02 AM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

Wow, you are still gay.

In fact, you must live in Homoville, population you.


39 posted on 07/12/2010 9:04:18 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

How could I not be swayed by such a compelling argument?


40 posted on 07/12/2010 9:43:18 AM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

don’t know. LOL

Can we go back to being friends?


41 posted on 07/12/2010 9:50:54 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

42 posted on 07/12/2010 10:11:20 AM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

BFF, LOL


43 posted on 07/12/2010 10:17:22 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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