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Undocumented immigrants lose government aid
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | July 11, 2010 | Julia Lyon

Posted on 07/12/2010 4:57:35 AM PDT by Colofornian

At the beginning of July, more than 2,000 families with undocumented immigrants stopped receiving food stamp benefits due to a change in Utah’s rules. Now a growing number of them are showing up at emergency food pantries confused and needing help.

“But, of course, I have to feed my family,” said an undocumented mother of five who works as a housekeeper at a nursing home. She is among those who recently lost food aid.

Earlier this year, the state announced it would begin to fully count the income earned by all members of a household when determining food stamp eligibility. Previously, only a portion of undocumented immigrants’ income was counted in the food stamp calculation, due to the limitations of an old computer system.

That meant, in some prior cases, that a family with several undocumented members might qualify for food stamps although a family of native Utahns making the same amount of money might not.

“We believe this is fair and equitable across the board to treat all people equally when it comes to calculating the benefits that people get when they apply for food stamps,” said Curt Stewart, a spokesman for the state Department of Workforce Services, which oversees the food stamp program.

Despite the new rules, a blended family with children born in America and undocumented parents could still qualify for help if their income was low enough. The new computer-based eligibility system began July 1.

But the families who have showed up at Hildegarde’s Pantry at St. Mark’s Cathedral in Salt Lake City have not understood the bureaucratic changes and wonder if Americans are being given preference over them.

“I’m worried about running out of food,” said Lydia Herrera, the pantry director. “Everybody is complaining about that: ‘they cut my food stamps.’”

Because families received the final decision in mid- to late June, they were often not prepared for the financial hit. The housekeeper’s family normally received about $300 in food stamps each month. Now she plans to visit pantries more often seeking donated food.

“We need to eat right for the [children’s] health,” she said.

Not all pantries are reporting a bump in need from the Latino population. However, some pantries do not inquire about a family’s specific circumstances.

In addition to the 2,220 households that lost benefits, another group will qualify for fewer food stamp dollars now that their income is fully counted. The number in that group was not available from the Department of Workforce Services this week. The state had originally estimated that a total of almost 8,000 households could be affected by the food stamp rule change.

Gina Cornia, the executive director of the advocacy group Utahns Against Hunger, said organizations like hers or others should perhaps follow up with Latino families at pantries to see if the rule change is the reason they’re in need.

Even if they don’t qualify for food stamps, these remain poor, struggling families, she said.

“The failing of the food stamp program is that it doesn’t capture all the families that need help,” Cornia said. “If you make one dollar over, you’re not eligible.”

And not providing food stamps doesn’t mean these families’ needs are going to diminish, said state Sen. Luz Robles, D-Salt Lake City.

"The cost is going to shift somewhere else or there is going to be other social consequences of not having food for people,” she said.

Yet she recognized that Utahns of all backgrounds are struggling right now.

“I’m more concerned about the children,” Robles said. “The children are the ones who are impacted. They are the future in the nation.”


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From the article: At the beginning of July, more than 2,000 families with undocumented immigrants stopped receiving food stamp benefits due to a change in Utah’s rules. Now a growing number of them are showing up at emergency food pantries confused and needing help.

From the article: Earlier this year, the state announced it would begin to fully count the income earned by all members of a household when determining food stamp eligibility. Previously, only a portion of undocumented immigrants’ income was counted in the food stamp calculation, due to the limitations of an old computer system. That meant, in some prior cases, that a family with several undocumented members might qualify for food stamps ALTHOUGH A FAMILIY OF NATIVE UTAHNS MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY MIGHT NOT. “We believe this is fair and equitable across the board to treat all people equally when it comes to calculating the benefits that people get when they apply for food stamps,” said Curt Stewart, a spokesman for the state Department of Workforce Services, which oversees the food stamp program.

The expandeded definition of American 'equality': Some are 'more' equal than others. As for "benefits," prospective employees always discuss "benefits" when negotiating for a new job; we're long past granting prospective citizens to have this same negotiating power. The system is badly in need of an overhaul.

From the article: "The cost is going to shift somewhere else or there is going to be other social consequences of not having food for people,” she said.

Well, the cost-shift already has taken place: From one country to another; from one illegal immigrant family to the taxpayer. So, according to this Utah legislator, we can't even bring illegal immigrants in line to receive the same "benefits" as citizens without this great "social cost." Sorry, we've already been overbearing this great social cost accelerated by Johnson's 'Great Society' of the 1960s!

1 posted on 07/12/2010 4:57:38 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
and wonder if Americans are being given preference over them.

..????...get your food stamps in Mexico

2 posted on 07/12/2010 5:00:14 AM PDT by Doogle (IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN....PLEASE donate, because it's the RIGHT thing to do)
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To: Colofornian

““But, of course, I have to feed my family,””

Well, someone has to.....she is the only one who seems to not want to do it


3 posted on 07/12/2010 5:03:23 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Doogle
and wonder if Americans are being given preference over them.

That's the part that burns me up. GO HOME! Illegals shouldn't receive any benefits in this country and Americans should always get preference over them. Geesh! What a screwed up mess.

4 posted on 07/12/2010 5:05:06 AM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Doogle

Yeah, thats the same thing I thought. In fact, after reading that line, I scrolled back up to make sure this article wasn’t a satire.


5 posted on 07/12/2010 5:05:17 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Colofornian

The socialist media cannot bring themselves to calling people who are illegally in this country illegal aliens.


6 posted on 07/12/2010 5:05:32 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Colofornian
an undocumented mother of five who works as a housekeeper at a nursing home.

They need to locate this nursing home, impose a heavy fine, and demand that it fire this woman and any other illegals working there.

Food pantries should be forbidden by law to give food to illegal aliens.

Make them go home. There should be nothing here for them.

7 posted on 07/12/2010 5:05:49 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Colofornian; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; FromLori; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”That meant, in some prior cases, that a family with several undocumented members might qualify for food stamps although a family of native Utahns making the same amount of money might not.

Illegals complaining that they are no longer put at front of food stamp line in Utah.

The democrats now ( as with the amnesty RINOs before them ) keep telling us that we need to get illegals in the system so they pay taxes. What taxes are they talking about? Do they mean so illegals can get tax credit welfare checks?

8 posted on 07/12/2010 5:07:32 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Colofornian

About damn time!!


9 posted on 07/12/2010 5:07:37 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: Doogle
an undocumented mother of five who works as a housekeeper at a nursing home

Don't the Democrats always want to crack down on the so-called "greedy" employers hiring illegals? Why isn't someone from ICE paying this nursing home a visit?

10 posted on 07/12/2010 5:07:50 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: indylindy
...no problem, simply take the "wonder" out of it...NO YOUR NOT A CITIZEN...."next in line please"....*morons*
11 posted on 07/12/2010 5:08:02 AM PDT by Doogle (IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN....PLEASE donate, because it's the RIGHT thing to do)
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To: Colofornian
“But, of course, I you have to feed my family,” said an undocumented mother of five....." There, fixed it.
12 posted on 07/12/2010 5:08:05 AM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Colofornian
undocumented immigrants stopped receiving food stamp benefits due to a change in Utah’s rules

They shouldn't have been given them in the first place. Why should American citizens work their butts off to support people from other countries? At the very least, their home country should be sending them their aid.

and wonder if Americans are being given preference over them.

Well, DUH. Of course American citizens should be given preference. This is our country!

Man, these people have their nerve. They sneak in here and then demand we all work to support them!

13 posted on 07/12/2010 5:08:54 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: RFEngineer

Go home, take your children with you.

Wonder if the maoist will bring suit against Utah.


14 posted on 07/12/2010 5:09:08 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Colofornian

An ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT should NEVER have gotten any government aid of any sort - EVER!!!

Take away their free ride and they’ll leave on their own.


15 posted on 07/12/2010 5:17:46 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: indylindy

Break out the violin strings....Yeah, I don’t want to see anyone go hungry in America that is correct. Of course, I don’t want to pay my neighbors bills either, unless they have some hardship such as loss of job or medical. So, adding these concepts together, someone who is not my legal neighbor, I have no compassion for...go home. I will certaintly underwrite a box lunch for the bus, car, plane or boat trip back to there.

Furthermore, I don’t want to underwrite the wages for those individuals who cannot bring themselves to tend their own homes or for businessess which refuse to pay their workers a living wage. So, if one is found to be paying an illegal a poverty wage, send them to jail. A few instances of this and that should end the problem. As I have said before, no benefits, no jobs they self deport.


16 posted on 07/12/2010 5:18:40 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: Colofornian

“...St. Mark’s Cathedral...” Good, let “The Church” feed them.


17 posted on 07/12/2010 5:18:41 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: Carley
Now a growing number of them are showing up at emergency food pantries confused and needing help
"Hola senor, I am confused and need help. Previously I was able to break the law with impunity and commit fraud by swindling the taxpayers in an attempt to get free food for my family instead of paying for it myself. This mode is no longer successfull. I'm confused!"
18 posted on 07/12/2010 5:18:55 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: Colofornian
“But, of course, I have to feed my family,” said an undocumented mother of five who works as a housekeeper at a nursing home

I hear there's food in your home country. Go there and get it.


19 posted on 07/12/2010 5:21:23 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Never trust anyone who points their rear end at God while praying.)
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To: indylindy

Same here.


20 posted on 07/12/2010 5:21:30 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Colofornian
“I’m more concerned about the children,” Robles said. “The children are the ones who are impacted. They are the future in the nation.”
Actually no. It's American children who are the future of our nation. Illegal Mexican children grow up to be illegal Mexican adults, and should, like their parents, GTFO.
21 posted on 07/12/2010 5:21:52 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: meyer
DITTO!!!!!
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To: Colofornian

GOOD!!!!

It’s about time.


24 posted on 07/12/2010 5:27:25 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: I Buried My Guns

And how dare the American taxpayer give preference to Americans.

I will sue!!!!


25 posted on 07/12/2010 5:29:28 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: demkicker

And maybe after they finish cutting off the freeloading illegals, they can start cutting off our own domestic freeloaders - the unemployable base of the democRAT party. They are the perpetual freeloaders, living off the sweat of the taxpayer’s labor since at least the 1960’s.


26 posted on 07/12/2010 5:30:11 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Colofornian

“....and wonder if Americans are being given preference over them”

I’m in S. Utah. And that sentiment expressed above is the reason I do not donate to ANY of the food pantries here. I also do not contribute my time, even though Dixie Care & Share is only a few blocks from here.

The illegals here in S. Utah believe they are exactly entitled to everything that legal, taxpaying Americans are. And the LDS enables them.

S. Utah will be a third world place, between this mentality...the economic collapse of Vegas (2 hrs away) and the AZ immigration law.

It won’t be pretty. And I won’t be here.


27 posted on 07/12/2010 5:30:52 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Colofornian
But the families who have showed up at Hildegarde’s Pantry at St. Mark’s Cathedral in Salt Lake City have not understood the bureaucratic changes and wonder if Americans are being given preference over them.

How selfish of us to even think our tax money should go to take care of OUR citizen. Aren't we required to feed the world? Isn't that our sole purpose in life? How can we even think of feeding ourselves when there are illegal families out there who have to spend the money they earn under the table on things like food instead of the luxuries they deserve.

28 posted on 07/12/2010 5:41:11 AM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: Daisyjane69

Is the LDS joining in with this to squash past bigotry preceptions? I myself being a Southern Baptist am seeing some leaders in our convention come out anti AZ law to appease past claims it seems.

Utah needs to get on the ball with its own law. Let them go to join the Fruits and Nuts in California!!


29 posted on 07/12/2010 5:41:47 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.)
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To: Colofornian
“But, of course, I have to feed my family,” said an undocumented mother of five who works as a housekeeper at a nursing home.

Poor thing, what makes her think she is entitled to American tax payers money. Oh, that would be politicians wouldn't it.

30 posted on 07/12/2010 5:45:37 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Colofornian

Solution:

Bus tickets and enough MRE’s for the trip home.


31 posted on 07/12/2010 5:48:11 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Colofornian

“I’m more concerned about the children,” Robles said. “The children are the ones who are impacted. They are the future in the nation.”

Yes, they are the future of Mexico. Send them back.


32 posted on 07/12/2010 5:51:38 AM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: Melinda in TN

Agreed. No illegal should ever get ANY US taxpayer-funded assistance.


33 posted on 07/12/2010 5:58:08 AM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: Sybeck1
Is the LDS joining in with this to squash past bigotry preceptions?

No, the past bigotry associations only apply to blacks. The LDS thinks that Mexicans have ties to some "lost tribe." Therefore, they want to welcome them with open arms and all kinds of goodies with the hopes that they will convert and become super-Mormons.

34 posted on 07/12/2010 5:58:10 AM PDT by Fast Ed97 (Is it bad when you start to miss the Clinton years?)
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To: Colofornian
‘they cut my food stamps.’”

They aren't YOUR food stamps, bitch.

35 posted on 07/12/2010 5:58:23 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Colofornian

“But, of course, I have to feed my family,” said an undocumented mother of five who works as a housekeeper at a nursing home. She is among those who recently lost food aid. “

This says it all. She should try closing her legs as a first step.


36 posted on 07/12/2010 5:59:28 AM PDT by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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To: nonliberal

“They aren’t YOUR food stamps, bitch.”

FAR TOO MANY cross the border because they see the US as a big CANDY store, and they believe the candy is FREE.


37 posted on 07/12/2010 5:59:28 AM PDT by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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To: RFEngineer
“But, of course, I have to feed my family,”...

She means, "But of course, YOU have to feed my family."

Deport the parasites and their anchor babies too.

38 posted on 07/12/2010 6:00:16 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Sybeck1

Perhaps.

But the driving factor is that our amigos act as “recruits” for the church. They are convinced to join the LDS church and then sent back temporarily via the system of becoming missionaries for the LDS.

This place is a beautiful, but completely whacked-out area.

Being a right-to-work state, the wages & salaries are lower, which is fine by me, since I detest unions. But our housing bubble is as big as anyplace, since we have a bucketload of CA transplants who were overpaying for housing.

The coddling of illegals here, for religious and social justice reasons, has depressed earnings of people here significantly. Every single time I go into a store of any kind, I find myself behind someone who speaks NO English, has at least three kids in tow, and is paying with a state card.

When I was in Ohio, in 2006, I never could understand the meenies who wanted to put a stop to this. I thought they were just awful. I guess it’s easy when you’re 2000 miles from the border.

Being in S. Utah has changed my opinion. If we don’t put a stop to this crap, we are DONE.

DONE.


39 posted on 07/12/2010 6:02:06 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Colofornian
But the families ... wonder if Americans are being given preference over them.

And that would be so unfair. LOL

40 posted on 07/12/2010 6:02:32 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Colofornian
a growing number of them are showing up at emergency food pantries confused and needing help

A map and a one-way bus ticket to Tijuana.

41 posted on 07/12/2010 6:06:56 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Colofornian

Blame the 14th Amendment and the way it has been perverted to allow anchor babies to be American citizens and to get free educations here. Without these two incentives this Mexican/Hispanic invasion would never have happened. Nothing wrong with legal immigrants in reasonable numbers but invasions are an attack on US sovereignty

Many of these immigrant families are a mix of legal and illegal. So if a few of their children were born on US soil then they and the whole family are entitled to food stamps and other welfare freebies that should only go to US citizens


42 posted on 07/12/2010 6:08:11 AM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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And not providing food stamps doesn’t mean these families’ needs are going to diminish, said state Sen. Luz Robles, D-Salt Lake City.

Has SLC become a hotbed of liberalism in an otherwise conservative state? WTH is going on there?

43 posted on 07/12/2010 6:08:40 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: concerned about politics

Why should I, sitting here in North Carolina, be forced at the point of a government gun to buy groceries for anyone in Utah illegal or not?


44 posted on 07/12/2010 6:12:51 AM PDT by csmusaret (A government that can dictate how much water flows into a toilet is a powerful government indeed.)
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To: sickoflibs

” The democrats now ( as with the amnesty RINOs before them ) keep telling us that we need to get illegals in the system so they pay taxes. What taxes are they talking about? Do they mean so illegals can get tax credit welfare checks? “

Y E S !!!!


45 posted on 07/12/2010 6:13:35 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Colofornian
Undocumented Illegal immigrants. This "undocumented" garbage really ticks me off!! What BS!!
46 posted on 07/12/2010 6:19:08 AM PDT by greatplains
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To: Liz; AuntB

PING


47 posted on 07/12/2010 6:31:46 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greatplains

Illegal aliens


48 posted on 07/12/2010 6:32:25 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian
The Title of this article is inflammatory and inaccurate!
49 posted on 07/12/2010 6:35:01 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (SPEAK UP REPUBLICANS, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET! IMPEACH OBAMA!)
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To: Colofornian
Now a growing number of them are showing up at emergency food pantries confused and needing help.

Hand them a map and point them south.

50 posted on 07/12/2010 6:42:07 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberal Logic: Mandatory health insurance is constitutional - enforcing immigration law is not.)
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