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Sarah Palin likes government too
CNN ^ | July 12, 2010 | Julian E. Zelizer

Posted on 07/12/2010 7:34:53 AM PDT by maggief

(CNN) -- During a speech at an event called "Freedom Fest," former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned Tea Party activists that while government spending was a bad thing, conservatives should not go too far and start calling for reductions in the military budget.

While Palin told the crowd in Norfolk, Virginia, "Something has to be done urgently to stop the out-of-control Obama-Reid-Pelosi spending machine," she also told them, "We must make sure, however, that we do nothing to undermine the effectiveness of our military."

Palin's speech touched on a historic problem for the conservative movement. Ever since conservatives embraced a hawkish stance toward national security policy in the early Cold War in the late 1940s and started to challenge Democrats for not being tough enough, national security has always been the poison pill for anti-government conservatism.

Despite all their rhetoric about the dangers of government intervention and the virtues of private markets, conservatives have rather consistently supported an expansion of the government when it comes to national security.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2010electionbias; boycotttimewarner; cnn; dnctalkingpoints; internetmeme; palinbashing; pravdamedia; strawman; timelies

1 posted on 07/12/2010 7:34:54 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

The founders “liked government”, too, I guess -

“to secure these rights, governments are established among men”


2 posted on 07/12/2010 7:36:00 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: maggief

What a BS article.


3 posted on 07/12/2010 7:36:13 AM PDT by calex59
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To: maggief
conservatives have rather consistently supported an expansion of the government military when it comes to national security.

Fixed it.

4 posted on 07/12/2010 7:36:30 AM PDT by agere_contra (Obama did more damage to the Gulf economy in one day than Pemex/Ixtoc did in nine months)
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To: maggief

That is not a problem. Military defense is within the scope of the Constituion.

Liberals are proof of devolution.


5 posted on 07/12/2010 7:36:30 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (How many Michael Steele gaffes does it take to make a pattern?)
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To: maggief

Defense of the Nation was and is, the first and only priority.

What a pant load of convoluted nonsense.


6 posted on 07/12/2010 7:38:08 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: maggief
Editor's note: Julian E. Zelizer is a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. He is the author of “Arsenal of Democracy “ and a book on former President Carter to be published next fall by Times Books...

I thought this piece was written by a 5th grader.

7 posted on 07/12/2010 7:38:12 AM PDT by McGruff (How's that Hopey Changey thingy workin for ya?)
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To: McGruff

They are not men...they are DEVO


8 posted on 07/12/2010 7:39:46 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: maggief
Because infrastructure and security is the responsibility of the gov't.
Most of everything else they're doing isn't.

9 posted on 07/12/2010 7:40:24 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: maggief

I guess that proves that Sarah Palin is not an anarchist.


10 posted on 07/12/2010 7:42:21 AM PDT by AU72
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To: maggief
The question is not government or no government. The important questions only follow the affirmation of important and timeless facts:

1) Government, like George Washington said, is force, and like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master;

2) Government cannot spend without first taking somehow some way;

3) It was not really necessary, but we have given government the monopoly power to print money and even allowed it to create “liquidity” out of thin air;

4) We have allowed government to grow to such a point it has become a self-serving parasite that needs to keep us financially captive for the sake of the taxes it can extract from us over our lifetimes. We even have allowed government to tax the assets we leave at our passing;

I am sure that FReepers can add a few more essential points I have missed.

Once we agree on these points, we can then go on to discuss what level of government is best.

However, anyone who reads the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution should notice that those who wrote and ratified it considered that a certain minimal level of government was necessary to enjoy the blessings of liberty. Unlike any other government of men on earth (excluding the one God gave to Israel at Sinai), this government was founded to maximize LIBERTY, not to maximize government.

We have allowed power-hungry people to invert the relationship between the citizen and the government that Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Mason and others built. Our government seeks to destroy our ability to control it. It seeks to become our master instead of remaining properly as the guarantor of our liberties.

11 posted on 07/12/2010 7:45:04 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: BitWielder1

Notice that everything the left opposes is what the founders say is a requirement of government,

while every thing they support is what the founders
prohibited government from doing...

Isaiah 5:20.
Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.


12 posted on 07/12/2010 7:45:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: maggief

I likes government too but not:

1) when it is taking money from my paycheck—fair tax please
2) when it is snooping in my home
3) when government refuses to defend the borders
4) when telling me that the certain ‘extra ingredient’ I put in my brownies is illegal
5) when it denies people the right to defend their homes with firearms-—that’s you Chicago and DC
6) When it takes controlling interest in a car company that should have failed years ago
7) when it tells banks who and why to lend money to in the name of ‘fairness’


13 posted on 07/12/2010 7:45:27 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: MrB
Of course the Founders liked government. They created governments all over the place both before and after the American Revolution, and conducted the Revolution under the authority of the Continental Congress ~ a government agency.

Our Founders probably knew more about the practical side of creating governments than any other people on Earth at any time in history. They had a substantially vacant territory to organize and settle.

CNN's various commenters and gurus have absolutely no idea what "small government" means ~

14 posted on 07/12/2010 7:59:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: maggief

I guess Julian has difficulty separating national security from welfare, 0bamaCare, and other forms of largesse. Of course, libs can never see the value of a strong military.


15 posted on 07/12/2010 8:01:15 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: maggief

Funny how government gets bigger and bigger while everything that makes the US great gets smaller and smaller. It’s the liberal way. Their thinking is that once the US is diminished to nothing, we won’t need a military to protect it.


16 posted on 07/12/2010 8:02:48 AM PDT by pallis
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To: maggief
While President Eisenhower warned us of the danger of the military-industrial complex he failed to tell us about its benefits.

IMHO Sara sees both sides of the issue and she has decided that the benefits, epically now, out weigh the potential risks.

A strongly funded and manned military will:
1. Develop new, dual use, technologies that will make our futures better.
Proof of statement?
The Internet, compact computers, and life saving medical technologies just coming off the battlefield are but a few of these.
2. Return to a draft of some type.
Proof of statement?
Our society depends on a highly trained workforce and the military is the only organization that can produce thousands of trained and experience technical workers annually. Our life style has been, and is currently, funded by the military.
Proof of statement?
a. The training provided during and after WW2 gave us the greatest generation and the wealth that came with it.
b. How is a high school graduate going to afford, dollars and time, technical training in computers, mechanical arts, and medical arts in today's and tomorrow's world? If we can not afford an upward path for our high school graduates, including GEDs, we WILL become a North American Greece.
Final proof - what have all of our nontechnical PhD’s done to add to our GDP? Printing books on arcane subjects and teaching clones don't count on the floor of Wall Street - otherwise colleges would be listed on the big board, wouldn't they.

17 posted on 07/12/2010 8:09:54 AM PDT by Nip (Islam - a religion of piece (your head and life). Truth depends on the spelling)
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To: AU72
Sarah sounded Presidential, whereas obozo sounds duffus
18 posted on 07/12/2010 8:11:38 AM PDT by FreeperDoll
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To: maggief

Lefties like to portray us as not wanting any government at all. That’s their best attempt at making us look like loons. Of course we want government - as laid out in the Constitution - as envisioned by our founding fathers. What we don’t want is socialism/communism/facism.


19 posted on 07/12/2010 8:14:06 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Psalm 144

You beat me to it. The fact that national defense is (a) Constitutionally mandated and (b) wholly in keeping with conservative principles is something leftists just can’t grasp. It almost like they collectively suffer from some type of mental illness...


20 posted on 07/12/2010 8:14:39 AM PDT by piytar (Re: AlGore's latest - Karl Rove, you magnificent #######!)
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To: maggief
What a dumb effing article.

There is obviously no contradiction between supporting spending on constitutionally appropriate endeavors and disapproving of spending on areas in which the federal government should have no role.

This is the exact kind of analysis that makes CNN readers/viewers so boneheadedly stupid.

Rick Sanchez is their Moe.

21 posted on 07/12/2010 8:20:58 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: maggief

CNN = Crap and Noxious Noises neither of which are the least bit edifying.


22 posted on 07/12/2010 8:25:35 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: maggief
The real question regarding Palin, and any GOP candidate for that matter, is whether she believes in preemptive war and the neoconservative philosophy.

As part of that debate, I would like to know whether she favors Kristol or Coulter on the issue of Obama’s War in Afghanistan.

23 posted on 07/12/2010 8:27:02 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: MrB

Exactly right. In her reference to the military, Palin is supporting expenditures for the one of the few things the federal government actually does have a mandate to do.

All the faulty outlandish spending these days, and the most important way to cut, of course CNN sees it as the military.


24 posted on 07/12/2010 8:28:23 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (If McCain is a Conservative, there are no Leftists. Not Teddy K., John K., George S., Russel F...)
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To: piytar

Whenever you hear leftists talk about issues, notice how they always conflate legitimate issues with their illegitimate ones to try to get you to accept them?

“Oh, you don’t like welfare, huh? I suppose you’re against roads, police and fire protection too!”


25 posted on 07/12/2010 8:28:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: calex59

Agree. This is the liberal press trying to run a headline that makes people question her as a leader of the conservatives.


26 posted on 07/12/2010 8:38:09 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: maggief
Julian Zelwinger, or whatever her name is, obviously has been hired from the intern-pool at CNN. Someone needs to inform this young lady who is purporting to be a "journalist" at a fake news outlet called CNN that the CONSTITUTION of the United States requires the federal government to provide a defense of the borders and against enemies.

MY guess is that Ms. Zelwinger, or whatever her name is, has never even HEARD of the Federalist Papers, let alone READ them.

These liberals prove they are morons every single freakin' day.

27 posted on 07/12/2010 8:40:12 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Psalm 144
“That is not a problem. Military defense is within the scope of the Constituion.”

Spot on. But Lets see how many Freepers don't read beyond the CNN headline and respond with a stupid knee-jerk comment.

28 posted on 07/12/2010 8:48:41 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: maggief

Do they not understand that the national defense is a right given to the federal government by the founders, while nearly all social programs funded by today’s fed are not?

Sigh. There is there any hope for a return to constitutionality when we have an ignorant populace fed misinformation by a dubious, but equally ignorant, press?


29 posted on 07/12/2010 8:59:29 AM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain always said I was an agent of intolerance - but in 2008 those like me tolerated him most)
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To: maggief
Well, I like government...in its place. The closer to its place, the better.
30 posted on 07/12/2010 9:03:04 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: maggief
The left wants NO GOVERNMENT or total goverment..
Its all very simple to them..

Thats why?.. No democracy has ever yet been democratic..
Democracys are ALWAYS Oligarchy's.. or variations (fascism monarchy or socialism)

Democracy is a LIE.. and democrats lie to themselves..
Democracy is MOB Rule by mobsters.. ALWAYS..

Democracy is a BAD WORD with BAD RESULTS...
Socialism is a symptom of the political disease of democracy..

31 posted on 07/12/2010 9:11:52 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: maggief

Pushing gays in the military is going to ‘undermine’ our effectiveness, IMO.


32 posted on 07/12/2010 12:09:52 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

On further reflection, perhaps they should form their own brigades, etc, & all dress in PINK.


33 posted on 07/12/2010 12:11:16 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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