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Foreclosure crisis phase 2: The negative equity dilemma (caught between devalued homes & job losses)
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 07/12/2010 | Alissa Figueroa

Posted on 07/12/2010 7:56:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

For almost a quarter century, Cynthia Johnson, a Boston homeowner, has paid the mortgage on her three-bedroom single-family house on time.

But in July, for the first time, she'll miss a payment.

"I'm on [the bank's] doorstep at this point, saying, 'The savings are gone. I can't pay you as promised,' " she said.

Unless something changes, Ms. Johnson (not her real name) is set to join the nearly 2.4 million Americans with prime loans seriously delinquent on their mortgages. They are the new face of the housing crisis. Unlike subprime borrowers, most of these homeowners did everything right. They bought houses they could afford and used standard mortgages. But falling home prices and a protracted recession have pushed them into a classic squeeze: They can't keep up their mortgage payments because someone in the household has lost his or her job. They can't sell because they owe more than the home is worth.

"In the next 12 months it's going to be tragic – most people are just starting to fall behind now," said Avi Liss, a lawyer helping homeowners avoid foreclosure in the Boston area. According to the Center for Responsible Lending, a nonprofit research and policy group, as many as 9 million homeowners could go into foreclosure between 2009 and 2012.

Is there a solution? Yes, but it's controversial. Congress would have to force banks to write off part of homeowners' troubled loans as a way to keep them in their homes.

There are plenty of reasons to avoid this course. Chief among them is the moral hazard. If banks write down one homeowner's loans because of hardship, what's to keep other homeowners from claiming hardship, too? And the losses don't accrue to some faceless bank; they add up for individual shareholders and pension funds

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: foreclosure; negativeequity; subprime

1 posted on 07/12/2010 7:56:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Unless something changes, Ms. Johnson (not her real name) is set to join the nearly 2.4 million Americans with prime loans seriously delinquent on their mortgages.

Well, what do you expect from someone who uses an alias?

Regards,

2 posted on 07/12/2010 8:00:13 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: alexander_busek

Just curious but are you using your real name on this forum?

Plenty of reasons why people don’t want their name out in public.


3 posted on 07/12/2010 8:02:56 AM PDT by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: SeekAndFind

luckily, her mortgage has only 5 years to go..

wait, she didn’t “refinance” and pull out “equity”, did she?


4 posted on 07/12/2010 8:03:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: SeekAndFind

>Is there a solution? Yes, but it’s controversial. Congress >would have to force banks to write off part of homeowners’ >troubled loans as a way to keep them in their homes.

All this would do is to create an incentive for more people to default, so that US will bail them out.

The real solution is to allow job creation. Take the Federal,State, and City off of the backs of the small businesses. In good times they create a noose around the small business throat. Problem is, in bad times they have no mechanism for letting up. In fact most are in the mode of thinking: if revenues are down, then they need to raise taxes on and shake down the remaining small businesses.


5 posted on 07/12/2010 8:04:39 AM PDT by updatedscreenname
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To: SeekAndFind

If this is part 2, what was part 1??? Wasn’t it negative equity and job losses also?


6 posted on 07/12/2010 8:06:21 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. ~Ayn Rand)
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To: SeekAndFind

BTW Congress tried to force banks to write down loans, but those bankruptcy reforms weren’t enacted. I doubt they’ll enact them now, either.

On the other hands, some banks are doing this anyway, out of self-interest. Others are doing it in a de facto way, by offering redemption options following a sale. Or even short-sales back to the owner.


7 posted on 07/12/2010 8:08:19 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. ~Ayn Rand)
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To: SeekAndFind
For almost a quarter century, Cynthia Johnson, a Boston homeowner, has paid the mortgage on her three-bedroom single-family house on time.
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They can't sell because they owe more than the home is worth.

Underwater after almost 25 years? And she did not do anything irresponsible? Right...

8 posted on 07/12/2010 8:11:05 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.)
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To: silverleaf

yep= she did

got divorced, lost her job-

but feels entited to keep her home

How many millions of regular people get divorced, lose jobs, then sell what they cannot afford. Now it has become govt job to “help?

Sorry, no tears jerked here. Watched my mom go through worse and do the right thing as sucky as it was.


9 posted on 07/12/2010 8:11:19 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We’re having a tough time, too - though not as tough as it’s likely to get. We’re barely keeping up with our mortgage, and we’re cutting back on non-essentials. Gives us a chance to work on our hard-times recipes. We’re dumping the TV hookup, but retaining the phone as we still get some business calls on that line. I’ll miss the history channel, but there you are.

Besides, I’ve got a book to write.


10 posted on 07/12/2010 8:12:00 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: SeekAndFind

She has been paying for 25 years and has 5 years left and her home is worth less than she owes??


11 posted on 07/12/2010 8:13:26 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Onelifetogive
Underwater after almost 25 years? And she did not do anything irresponsible? Right...
12 posted on 07/12/2010 8:13:26 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Larry Lucido

Isn’t loan modification the answer? Reduce the monthly payments so they keep the loan going? I know loan mods are controversial, however, isn’t that better than just foreclosing on everyone?

Of course, with loan mods, you have to foreclose if people can’t keep up with the modified loan. But it would help to have that step before we see mass foreclosures, and another meltdown of the housing market. Wouldn’t it? Am I missing something?


13 posted on 07/12/2010 8:13:47 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: misterrob
Just curious but are you using your real name on this forum?

I must confess...I was not born as OLTG...

14 posted on 07/12/2010 8:15:39 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.)
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To: Noumenon

Boston must be another Detroit.


15 posted on 07/12/2010 8:16:41 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something. A couple of things at least. 1) Requiring people to "get into financial trouble" to get benefits will (suprise!!!) cause more people to get into financial trouble, and 2) the loan is someone's asset. Demanding that they "modify" the loan takes away some of their property. If you have a CD at a bank and they decide to "modify" the terms in a way that benefits them, you will have a fit.

16 posted on 07/12/2010 8:20:48 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.)
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To: Onelifetogive

Yes I noticed that too...didn’t say how many times she had remortgaged..and the title was about equity..so how many times she took out equity loans to take extravagant vacations...


17 posted on 07/12/2010 8:29:56 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: misterrob
Just curious but are you using your real name on this forum? Plenty of reasons why people don’t want their name out in public.

No, my real name is Melvin Hussein Lipschitz.

All kidding aside: I don't write anything here that I'd be ashamed to say on national television. I've never understood the appeal of using a pseudonym.

Regards,

18 posted on 07/12/2010 8:31:48 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: SeekAndFind

Osazee Egharevba, a Nigerian immigrant who came to the Boston area in 2000 after his wife passed away, worked two jobs and saved enough to bring over his five children in 2006. That same year he purchased a two-family home. He could afford the $3,950 monthly payments by renting out the first floor.

Then Mr. Egharevba lost one job, and the extra $800 a week it brought in, and started missing payments. Deeply “underwater” on the $510,000 property (owing more than it was worth), he was foreclosed on this past winter, after five failed attempts at attaining a loan modification.

“My children were going to be on the street because there was no way, there was no home,” he said.

But he stayed in the house. In April 2010, a nonprofit called Boston Community Capital was able to buy the home and sell it back to him for $296,000 – the home’s current value. His monthly payment has fallen to a manageable $2,300.


How many AMericans got this deal?


19 posted on 07/12/2010 8:33:21 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Freddd

Bottom line is, Obama and congress are kicking the can down the road to postpone what is really coming.

Democrats don’t care they will be swept out in Nov, in fact they probably want just that, then they will once again point the finger at Republicans for something they didn’t do and that democrats once again, planned.


20 posted on 07/12/2010 8:37:21 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Is there a solution? Yes, but it's controversial. Congress would have to force banks to write off part of homeowners' troubled loans as a way to keep them in their homes.

OH, no, not that pesky Constitution and the equal protection clause again.

No one but no one should allow their home to be foreclosed on, get an attorney and deed it back to the mortgage holder of record and walk.

21 posted on 07/12/2010 8:39:49 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: SeekAndFind

Nobody thinks that the federal govt, with their loose money policies has some responsibility? My gawd, the inflation alone has driven the cost of the home to the stratosphere, leaving a feeling of the homes “worth” to be 10 times what it was. People rightly or wrongly BELIEVE the property is now worth 500K when it was purchased at 50K. She gets divorced, finances a 250K in equity, pays off hubby 200K, pays down bills, and is left now owing maybe 260K, the market dumps and she ends up with a large payment, and a house worth 220K. I am assuming a lot, but the govt has spent over a hundred years setting up this money sham, and when it collapses on a person, the govt has a large hand in this.


22 posted on 07/12/2010 8:40:53 AM PDT by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: Freddd

How many location in this country would it be legal, in a neighbor hood of $500000+ homes, to rent out the part of the house?????


23 posted on 07/12/2010 8:44:16 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Onelifetogive

If you have a CD at a bank and they decide to “modify” the terms in a way that benefits them, you will have a fit.

LOL,
it’d be hard for the bank to modify nearly 0 percent interest.
They pay nothing these days.


24 posted on 07/12/2010 8:50:17 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey (here's my checkbook and my car-keys, my credit carThe bigger the government = The smaller the people)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The trouble is, loan modifications are almost impossible to qualify for. I’ve heard so many tales among my former co-workers about how the lenders really don’t want to modify the loan, and keep jerking the borrower around for months asking for one paper after another after another before finally denying the loan mod. By that time, it’s too late to sell and the house goes into foreclosure.

You’d think the lenders would do everything they could to avoid foreclosure. They get more money in the long run if someone is paying on a loan.


25 posted on 07/12/2010 8:58:24 AM PDT by ottbmare (I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: Joan Kerrey
LOL, it’d be hard for the bank to modify nearly 0 percent interest. They pay nothing these days.

But, at least, they pay back the principle that they borrowed from you. If they said that they invested the money in assets that dropped in value so they don't want to return you the whole amount, you'd be pissed. That is what many homeowners who are underwater are demanding.

26 posted on 07/12/2010 9:00:12 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.)
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To: ottbmare
You’d think the lenders would do everything they could to avoid foreclosure. They get more money in the long run if someone is paying on a loan.

Lenders have to think about the entire portfolio of loans, not just one. If 10% are not paying, they must consider how their policy toward that 10% affects the 90% that are paying. If they make the "rewards" for not paying sweet enough, that will entice many of the 90% to join the 10%.

The lenders HAVE to make the benefits of paying better than the rewards for not paying. Things get REALLY FUBAR if it is the other way around.

27 posted on 07/12/2010 9:04:43 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.)
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To: silverleaf

If she paid 25 years on a 30 year mortgage there is no way she could be unside down on this house unless she refinanced or took out a second.


28 posted on 07/12/2010 9:15:05 AM PDT by almost done by half
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To: silverleaf

If she paid 25 years on a 30 year mortgage there is no way she could be (upside) down on this house unless she refinanced or took out a second.


29 posted on 07/12/2010 9:16:05 AM PDT by almost done by half
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To: SeekAndFind

She’s been paying 25 years and is still upside down? something is unsaid in this “she’s done everything right” story.


30 posted on 07/12/2010 9:20:47 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I can think of one solution: dramatically decrease taxes, across the board, for everyone. This will result in people having more (of their own) money, and in them being able to earn more money, which they can then use to continue to pay their mortgage.

Just sayin’, Obambi.


31 posted on 07/12/2010 9:21:35 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Obama: "I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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To: All

I mirror her situation. I’m still in my home because they haven’t asked me to leave yet. It would be foolish for me to “honorably” leave. I’ll wait to be thrown out or I’ll wait for them to attempt to renegotiate the terms.

By many on this forum, I am evil for this. I went unemployed for a bit, fell WAY behind, and have weighed the options of getting back on track: Am I a leeching scumbag, or someone in a really comfy spot ? Luck or ill-will ?

I know how I feel about it. The Christian Science Monitor writes articles in a good way. I enjoy reading it. But we have a lot of people around these parts (Freep) who seem to be willing to cast stones.


32 posted on 07/12/2010 9:22:55 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: Noumenon

There are lots of shows you can still catch on the internet for free.


33 posted on 07/12/2010 9:23:21 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Obama: "I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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To: SeekAndFind

We have always lived by the rule that anything we buy is based on what we can pay with only one income. When I worked we never bought anything and financed it based on both incomes. It has worked really well for us and too bad many more Americans have not done that. This house is paid for, we have 7.5 acres paid for and have another home that has a mortgage that is well within the price we could sell it for we only owe $25K on it.


34 posted on 07/12/2010 10:38:50 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: almost done by half

Exactly! If she only has 5 years to go the principle should be so low by now that if she refinaced at the super low rates she’d probably be making a $150 payment a month. I’d guess she has used the house as a bug creidt card and now the payment is due yet it is someone else’s fault?


35 posted on 07/12/2010 10:47:07 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Celerity

Why didn’t you catch your payment up when you got back to work?


36 posted on 07/12/2010 10:48:47 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

Still working on that. Every 4 months of 1/4 extra payments gets me one month of delinquent payments.

Unless my first paycheck is 24,000. Which it isn’t. Also, I still haven’t “Gotten a job”. I started my business instead of waiting for someone to call me back. With that, the progress was slow in the beginning. Things are picking up the pace now though.


37 posted on 07/12/2010 11:21:55 AM PDT by Celerity
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