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Slaying of Army veteran shocks friends (Man gunned down at Costco over Concealed Carry)
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 6/12/2010 | Lawrence Mower

Posted on 07/12/2010 1:26:25 PM PDT by conimbricenses

The man shot by police outside a Summerlin Costco store on Saturday was a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point with a master's degree from Duke University, friends said.

Army veteran Erik Scott, 39, was at the store near Charleston Boulevard and the Las Vegas Beltway with his girlfriend before three officers fatally shot him in a confrontation.

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The details are still sketchy on this one, but they don't look pretty.

Reports from multiple witnesses contradict the official police report, and one of Scott's relatives is giving a very chilling narrative of what happened:

Scott apparently had a Concealed Carry License and was legally carrying. Some liberal Costco employee reportedly saw he had a gun, freaked out, and called the cops reporting a gunman loose in the store. He seems to have been attempting to surrender his handgun, which the cops interpreted as him pulling out his weapon and opened fire.

1 posted on 07/12/2010 1:26:31 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: conimbricenses

Let’s riot!

Eric Holder’s Justice Department will not rest until the guilty policemen are brought to justice.


2 posted on 07/12/2010 1:29:29 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: conimbricenses

The police sound like thay may have committed a homocide.


3 posted on 07/12/2010 1:30:25 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: conimbricenses

Looks like it might be a while before a reliable report on what really happened comes out. Right now, no one knows what really happened. Too many conflicting reports.


4 posted on 07/12/2010 1:30:45 PM PDT by Melas
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To: conimbricenses

Like my daddy always said.... “You can be right. You can also be dead right”.


5 posted on 07/12/2010 1:33:03 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Candor7

Maybe Obama will say that these police acted stupidly and bring them and their victim to the whitehouse for a beer.


6 posted on 07/12/2010 1:33:09 PM PDT by RickB444 (Beat your sword into plowshares, but wined up plowing the fields of someone who kept their sword.)
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To: conimbricenses

Yeah this is my costco, I go there all the time. I also CCW in there.

I had no idea Costco was so anti CCW.. but I suspect this was a nervous employee who called the cops and shouted “Man with a gun”

There were reports he was “trashing the store” which I find hard to buy because eye witnesses say the store manager came over the loud speaker and told everyone to evacuate, yet no one knew why. Had the guy been freaking out they would have known.

The other report I heard from a witness of the event, was he just walked out, got shouted at to “drop it” and when he made a move to get the gun out of the holster so he could drop it they opened up on him.

Costco has cameras all over the place at this location.. so it should be interesting to see if we will ever see the videos.


7 posted on 07/12/2010 1:33:11 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Candor7
From the comments section of one of the news stories:

I just found on that this WAS my cousin who was shot! He was a West Point Graduate, never been in trouble, was an officer in the Army, and had a concealed weapons permit in Nevada. The story I've heard from friends of his girlfriend have told us that a store clerk saw that he had a concealed gun, told him he couldn't have it in the store. He replied, "sure I can I have a concealed weapons permit". The clerk apparently overreacted and called the police that he was some kind of crazy person which ended up in over hyped police that shot him while he was trying to comply by taking his gun out of his shirt to place on the ground as they asked as he was leaving the store. Please anyone who was at the scene and witnessed any of this tragedy please contact me at robert@lavelock.com we may need your help

http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12785291

8 posted on 07/12/2010 1:33:23 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: Candor7

Really? And you know Scott was gay how?


9 posted on 07/12/2010 1:34:15 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: conimbricenses

Witnesses offer differing accounts. Cops all say the same thing.

They wouldn’t have rehearsed their stories, would they?

Nahhhhhhh


10 posted on 07/12/2010 1:34:41 PM PDT by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: conimbricenses

Read the entire account. Seems Costco bed-wetting Liberal saw gun, told police a mad man was running berserk in store. Cops came and shot the guy without provocation. The cops and the bed-wetter need to go to prison for a long, long time.


11 posted on 07/12/2010 1:36:03 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Melas
Right now, no one knows what really happened. Too many conflicting reports.

Funny how that always seems to happen when a cop's a$$ is in the crack, ain't it?

12 posted on 07/12/2010 1:36:17 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Melas
There appear to have been several hundred witnesses. Quite a few of them have posted in the comments sections of the various news articles, and virtually none of them back the police version of what happened.

It shouldn't be too hard to figure it out between the witnesses and security cameras. Costcos generally tend to be wired with hundreds of cameras from all different angles.

13 posted on 07/12/2010 1:36:41 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: conimbricenses
Kudos to the reported for doing what sounds like a through job of interviewing witnesses. Regardless of what went on in the stores, it sounds like the cops screwed up big time by confronting this man when he was just going out with a crowd which was told to leave the store.

Had he actually been dangerous, there would have been a lot more collateral damage than just him. The store better have videotapes to support what they say was going on inside. It just doesn't add up.

14 posted on 07/12/2010 1:37:49 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: pabianice

This should be all over the news, on every single station.


15 posted on 07/12/2010 1:38:15 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: conimbricenses

Handy way to intimidate and dissuade citizens from carrying if being seen with one leads to them being terminated with extreme prejudice by the police...


16 posted on 07/12/2010 1:38:28 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Vigilanteman

>>The store better have videotapes to support what they say was going on inside.<<

You can count on it. I expect you could piece together every minute the guy was in the store from all the camera angles.

If there is no video available, that would be the most damning evidence against the cops - and Costco.


17 posted on 07/12/2010 1:39:52 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: conimbricenses
Cops killing more citizens. Go grocery shopping and get shot dead by gun-ho nitwits.
18 posted on 07/12/2010 1:40:49 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (Gus the Scotty dog likes cheese!)
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To: Candor7

Another example of out-of-control Fascists posing as police.


19 posted on 07/12/2010 1:40:57 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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If it was costco there should be security cameras covering every minute, will the police be honest about what is on those tapes? I remember growing up in Texas in the 70’s no one got freaked at the sight of a gun. A local department store had a bb gun turkey shoot for kids. My bb gun was very authentic and looked like a real rifle and I walked to the store all the way through town and when I walked into the store none of the customers even blinked. Guess they’d gun us down now. People would take guns out of their cars and on busy parking lots and look them over no one called police. Every pickup had a gun rack in the window. So many people now are wimps total wimps!!!


20 posted on 07/12/2010 1:41:02 PM PDT by sanjoaquinvalley (Longtime Lady Lurker)
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To: pabianice

What a simple lie, told because of some moron’s “my emotions were hurt” knee jerk, can do.


21 posted on 07/12/2010 1:41:43 PM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: conimbricenses
Very sorry about your cousin. He sounds like a good man. God rest his soul and comfort his family. This was so unnecessary.

Now we see another dimension to the libtard mindset: merely talking back to them is "going beserk."

22 posted on 07/12/2010 1:41:54 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

The sad thing is that everything we know about this guy suggests that he is the MODEL type of citizen that we should want to have a concealed carry license - army veteran, highly trained West Point grad, upstanding citizen. And he was gunned down apparently because some liberal pantywaist saw his gun and called the cops to report him as if he were a “terrorist.”


23 posted on 07/12/2010 1:42:23 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: Soothesayer9

Oh, it will be.

“ARMED MAN SHOT AT COSTCO”

(film at 11)


24 posted on 07/12/2010 1:42:34 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: conimbricenses

Costco should be held fully responsible as having employed the officers to gun down a lawful citizen; if it had been a Gangs’ta it would have been profiling and no one would have done anything, cause it’s okay to kill cracka’s.

Although the Officer’s and Department should bear some responsibility; I would like to hear both the 911 recording and the dispatch audio, and see the individual self-written citizen reports plus Officer Reports then decide.


25 posted on 07/12/2010 1:43:23 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Candor7
The police sound like thay may have committed a homocide.

Metro doesn't have the greatest reputation here, as of now there are some conflicting accounts.

Have to give this one a little more time for the facts to come out.

26 posted on 07/12/2010 1:43:28 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: conimbricenses

-—hopefully this one will be thoroughly investigated—Metro (Clark County Sheriffs Dep’t has an unbelievable record vis-a-vis shooting civilians and an equally unbelievable record of paying settlements out of court-—


27 posted on 07/12/2010 1:43:35 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: misterrob
"They wouldn’t have rehearsed their stories, would they?"

The cops think it was a bad day because they had to shoot a terrorist but did not have time to to do it right and put on their ninja suits....


28 posted on 07/12/2010 1:43:57 PM PDT by JSteff (((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)))
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To: conimbricenses
I want to hear the tape to the police or 911... I want to see the video tapes of the guy “tearing up the store”...

If this was over-hyped by a Costco Employee resulting in a man's death, he needs to go to jail. If the police “acted stupidly”, then they need to go to jail as well...

I legally CC all the time and this is THE one scenario I fear the most.

29 posted on 07/12/2010 1:44:56 PM PDT by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: conimbricenses

Right, I'm sure this guy would tear the whole store apart.

30 posted on 07/12/2010 1:46:06 PM PDT by Hillbillary (I know how to deal with Communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: eXe
The other report I heard from a witness of the event, was he just walked out, got shouted at to “drop it”.

I don’t care what the cops yell at me, if I am carrying and they have their guns pointed at me I will not reach for my gun.

Based on what little info we have this sounds like a case of really terrible LEO training. You never tell someone to "drop it" or "put the gun on the ground" unless it is already in their hand.

31 posted on 07/12/2010 1:46:09 PM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: conimbricenses

If the cops were non-white they were probably racists. Get Holder on the phone stat.


32 posted on 07/12/2010 1:46:29 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: eXe
Costco has cameras all over the place at this location.. so it should be interesting to see if we will ever see the videos.

Hey, been a while!!

I too am looking forward to the video's....lots of conflicting reports on this one so far.....

33 posted on 07/12/2010 1:46:29 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: conimbricenses

Isn’t this exactly the kind of thing Obama is worried about? Guy goes down to the corner store with his family and gets gunned down by cops who profiled him unjustly.


34 posted on 07/12/2010 1:47:25 PM PDT by marron
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To: conimbricenses

If it is as it appears, any effort on the part of the PD to cover this up should be met with criminal prosecution. I was almost shot by a nervous cop in a traffic stop in Arlington, TX because I did as he said and went into my glove box for proof of insurance. My complaint to his superiors was met with condemnation of me for not appreciating the job our police officers do. A week or two I later to see a news report that the same cop had shot a sleeping man in the front seat of his car. The victim as an illegal and they managed to get away with firing the cop. A year later he was on the news because in his capacity as a Dallas constable serving a summons, he shot a killed a guy who came to his front door ‘brandishing’ a butter knife. Cops do themselves no service by covering for the idiots among them.


35 posted on 07/12/2010 1:48:02 PM PDT by metalcor
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To: bfh333
There are more civilians killed by cops every year than cops that are killed by civilians. That alone should tell you who the real dangers to society are.

And yes, it is a scenario that CC permit holders should fear.

36 posted on 07/12/2010 1:48:13 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: Responsibility2nd

Homocide vs. Homicide

Now that is funny as typos go; yet may have stumbled on to a new social/pop-culture injustice.


37 posted on 07/12/2010 1:48:18 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: metalcor

It’s the 99% making the 1% look bad.


38 posted on 07/12/2010 1:49:33 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: popdonnelly
Eric Holder’s Justice Department will not rest until the guilty policemen are brought to justice.

Uh, wait a minute!

The guy is obviously a successful white guy, who has never spent a day in prison!

You need to get your head strait man!

This guy deserved what he got and more!

[/S]

39 posted on 07/12/2010 1:49:44 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: conimbricenses

I thought protocal for police was to disarm a “suspect” themselves so this kind of thing doesn’t happen?


40 posted on 07/12/2010 1:50:15 PM PDT by JenB987 (I'm still an American and 'til they take that away from me there's no day ruined. - El Rushbo)
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To: conimbricenses

Sickening.


41 posted on 07/12/2010 1:50:18 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Las Vegas Ron
lots of conflicting reports on this one so far.....

Yes, but they do seem to be falling into a pattern. There is (1) the cops' version of what happened versus (2) everyone else who saw it.

42 posted on 07/12/2010 1:51:07 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: conimbricenses
One witness interviewed Saturday and three others interviewed Sunday by the Review-Journal gave accounts that differed from what police described.

Surprise, surprise, surprise! A little extrajudicial punishment from The Only Ones.

43 posted on 07/12/2010 1:51:09 PM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Hey there,

Yeah, this is the costco I go to at least once a month when I do my monthly shopping after driving in from Pahrump.

I have NEVER seen a no weapons sign in the place, and since I have had my permit have carried in there many a time, never was an issue.

I am kind of shocked that we have not seen at least SOME video tape of some kind on the news with the story the way its sounding. One would think that they would have whipped up a quick video of the guy “tearing up the place” to protect the story by now..

Its all very sad and very strange. Its also starting to get national attention.


44 posted on 07/12/2010 1:52:06 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: conimbricenses

If he was such a crazy man with a gun, how come none of the other shoppers seemed to notice? How was it that he filed out the door with the rest of the shoppers? It makes absolutely no sense! And then 3 cops unload with a crowd around?

This is BAD!


45 posted on 07/12/2010 1:52:33 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: panthermom

Welcome to Obama’s America, replete with its own Gestapo.


46 posted on 07/12/2010 1:53:49 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: conimbricenses
In Maine last week:

Stevens said a tall, thin, older man wearing a plaid shirt was walking out of the woods carrying a gun. Stevens said the man appeared to be headed toward a pickup, as a Maine Game Warden and Togus police officer arrived.

"It was just like he was casually walking down the trail," Stevens said.

The wardens and Togus officer ordered the man to drop his weapon, Stevens said.

A few moments later there was a series of shots, Stevens said. He said one of the bullets appeared to hit the unidentified man in the neck and head area.

http://www.pressherald.com/news/Police-incident-on-Eastern-Avenue.html

47 posted on 07/12/2010 1:53:54 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: 4yearlurker
When cops attack.

Just more proof of my theory that there are people who would make exceptional policemen; whose senses of judgement, discretion, comportment, maturity, responsibility, are well-honed and reliable.

The problem is that very, very few of them are drawn to "The Job." Which leaves us with the trigger happy, social misfit Barney Fifes, Buford Pussers and Marquis de Sades. At least half of them should be locked up for years just for applying for "The Job" for the wrong reasons.

Ticking time bombs with little, twisted brains, no moral compass, but with a gun that will kill you if somebody doesn't get them first. Scarey.

Was Scott a white boy? If so, expect Eric Holder to order the case dropped.

;-/

48 posted on 07/12/2010 1:54:36 PM PDT by Gargantua (DON'T TREAD ON US.)
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To: conimbricenses

Under general circumstances...

If you get challenged by the police when you’re carrying, don’t follow any order that requires you to put your hands on or anywhere near your weapon.

Raise you hands up over your head with your fingers spread and keep them there.

Better to be roughed up a bit than to be shot dead.


49 posted on 07/12/2010 1:55:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If McCain is a Conservative, there are no Leftists. Not Teddy K., John K., George S., Russel F...)
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To: conimbricenses

I am so sorry for the loss of your cousin, especially under these circumstances. Here’s hoping he is honored as a hero for his service in our Armed Forces.


50 posted on 07/12/2010 1:56:46 PM PDT by NEMDF
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