Skip to comments.Officer Involved in Costco Shooting Involved in 2006 Shooting(NV)
Posted on 07/13/2010 4:07:32 AM PDT by marktwain
LAS VEGAS -- The three Las Vegas police officers involved in Saturday's shooting at a Costco have been identified.
Officers William Mosher, Joshua Stark and Thomas Mendiola shot and killed Erik Scott at a Summerlin Costco. Officers say Scott had a weapon and pointed it at them.
Mosher has been with Metro for five years. Stark and Mendiola have been with Metro for under two years. All are assigned to the Metro's Northwest Area Command.
This isn't the first time Officer Mosher has been involved in a shooting. In April of 2006, Officer Mosher and Officer John Wiggins shot and killed Aaron Jones. According to police, Jones rammed his car into Wiggins while trying to escape arrest. Jones died at the scene.
A coroner's inquest into the 2006 shooting found Officers Mosher and Wiggins justified.
Police say they were called to the scene of Saturday's shooting when Scott started damaging store merchandise and had a gun visible inside the store. When officers arrived, people were leaving the store and an employee pointed out Scott to police.
Police say officers saw Scott's weapon and told him to lay down on the ground. They say he pulled the gun out at pointed it at an officer. That's when police opened fire.
Emergency workers transported Scott to UMC, but he died a short time later. A second gun was found on Scott during transport.
But Scott's attorney contradicts what police say happened. Attorney Ross Goodman, son of Las Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman, says Scott did not point his gun at police or act in a threatening manner. He says eyewitnesses have reached out to him contradicting Metro's story. He is still waiting to see surveillance video of the incident.
The three officers involved in Saturday's shooting have been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of a coroner's inquest.
I couldn't agree with you more....My wife and I were 7 or 8 feet away from the shooting as were the police. We were to the suspects immediate right. We heard and saw the 3 police officers shouting to the man in question to get on your knees several times. At that point the man appeared somewhat stunned by the commotion and shouting of the police. His Right arm went up in a defenseless position and it appeared his left arm appeared to be going up but there was NO gun in his hand. He was taserd and shot at the same time. At no time did the man in question ever raise his voice, shout an obscenity or become confrontational with the police. We saw the disabled man stooping to his right facing us with what appeared to be a bullet wound in his upper chest with blood coming from the wound and immediately his eyes became glossy as he began to convulse. At this point he was no threat to anyone, both hands were in full view of us and there was no gun. As he was down, the police continued to shout put the gun down several times...but there was no gun in his hand as we had full vantage point view. The injured man was having agonal respirations, he was down when the second volly of bullets rang out. There was no doubt in question that following the second barrage of bullets the man was dead. His girlfriend was to the back side of us and began to scream.....why did you kill him, he is a military man with a license to carry a concealed weapon. You didn't need to kill him....you didn't need to kill him.
An officer then came up to the injured man who in my opinion was a dead man, was cuffed with his hands behind his back and no attempt by the officer to determine if the man was alive or dead. No apparent life saving aid was given to the downed man. The man was totally lifeless when the Paramedics arrived on scene. I was absolutely surprised to see that no attempt at aggressive ACLS was engaged. They simply just picked up the body like a sack of potatoes and hurled him onto the gurney and into the ambulance This was a crime scene.... the crime scene was violated. One of the paramedics who attended to an injured elderly lady said the man was dead. There was a dead man in front of Costco. What nobody is talking about is that there were many many spectators, many like ourselves within just a few feet of the victim when the shots rang out. It seems to me that the greater danger was posed not by the victim but by the police who fired many shots in the vicinity of the innocent public. I agree with you, I hope the media and your friends family can get their hands of Costco's Camera's which will indeed tell the rest of the story. Also it must be confirmed whether the second gun supposedly found by the victims side was indeed also registered to him as a licensed conceal and carry.
This whole incident was a monumental tragedy; a tragedy for the family and friend and also a tragedy for the involved officers who were pushed into a needless confrontation that reached hysterical proportions due to the overreaction of certain employees and bystanders. This was a needless death.
In summary it is our opinion that the victim did not pose an immediate threat to the public.....and in the final analysis was a case of excessive force
This looks bad for the cops.I would bet there is video of all that went on.Prayers for the family of the slain man.
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The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around. Did he think he was OK to leave the store and nothing? The suspect had very little leeway of not following immediate instruction by the police. It was just yesterday that a person went inside a busines in New Mexico and shot several people. It is easy to monday morning quarterback the police.
“Looks like the comments section has mow been scrubbed.”
I just looked at the link on the comment, and was able to see them.
“The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around.”
You mean the people that were calmly exiting the store standing within a few feet of him?
If I saw a guy doing what you say I sure wouldn’t be calmly standing beside him.
“The suspect had very little leeway of not following immediate instruction by the police. “
Yep, it was bang, taze, ‘drop it’, bang bang.
It’s easy for you to be a cop cheerleader. Read the comments above and quit taking the police side of the story.
Time to loot Footlocker again.
You may want to wait and see exactly what happened.The victum was not a thug from all accounts.
Gotta run, Have a good one.
The fact is, there is a certain percentage of cops who are scum. Maybe 1%, maybe 2%. It doesn’t mean the rest are. But also just don’t **** with cops. They have been called to a man with a gun. They ask the man to get on the floor, and according to the eyewitness, he moved his arm instead. Now the eyewitness, from a couple of feet away, say there was no gun. How far away was the cop? 20 feet?
If a cop has been called to “guy in store waving a gun” call, and they tell you to get on the ground, I think it would be very sensible to do that.
Maybe they’re scum though.
But equally, how much should they put their life in danger? This guy moves his arm - how long should they wait to check & see whether there is no gun in it?
The “second volley of shots” is probably the most disturbing element of the story though.
I think the police need full time recording devices facing ahead of them. It would clear up tons of confusion pronto, even some fender bender disputes. With that, we could consider given them even more leeway than they currently have.
Opening a box to check the contents?
And your proof of the guy doing this was what?
So far every witness that I've read about refutes that story.
As to creating panic, that's a bullcrap excuse on the part of sissy liberal wimps. If he had a gun in his hand threatening someone or pointing it at people, I could buy “creating panic”. Having an “exposed gun”, on the other hand, suggests the “panic” was created by morons that don't like guns.
Where is the evidence of “rampaging” inside the store?
Such devices are now on the market. Personally, I think that all uniformed officers and elected officials should be required to wear and use them - as they tell us, the good ones have nothing to hide (and can be quickly cleared of bogus charges through this tech) and the bad ones will get caught.
“... and the bad ones will get caught...”
Or lie low, which is still an improvement.
This is Eriks father:
His father was in the Air Force, and his grandfather fought in World War II, friend Mike Pusateri said.
The most loyal, honest, trustworthy, salt-of-the-earth guy you could meet, said Pusateri, 38. You only meet one or two of those kinds of guys in your life, and Erik is one of them.
My theory. The victim had a gun in a holster. A Costco employee saw it, notified management who called the cops and monitored the guy. The guy was just shopping not damaging property. The cops are waiting at the front of the store. Costco employee points out the victim. The cops start screaming at him- “Drop your gun”, “Get down on your knees”,”Hit the ground”. The victim is totally stunned and has no idea what’s going on. He either reaches for his gun to comply with the “Drop your gun” order or one of the cops just panics and shoots him. Other cops hear shots and immediately start shooting, as well. Cops then find another gun on him. The 2nd gun may be the one aspect of the case which helps exonerate the cops - or fries them. If the victim had two guns on him, a lot of people- and jurors- are gonna think, “Is this guy some kind of nut. He’s got two guns on him?” Or, the cops panicked and planted a second gun on him. I think the videotapes and the 911 recording are gonna show this poor guy was just out shopping and minding his own business. We’ll see.
Wow! Were you there? Did you see him damaging property and rampaging the store? It sounds to me like a WHOLE BUNCH of people over reacted!
I legally CC all the time. If a guy in a store starts waving a gun and rampaging, I’ll make sure I take him out while you hide under the produce...
It’s EASY to side with the police. Do a little research first... The case in New Mex was domestic.
At this point, I find it just as likely that the second gun is a throw-down to help (as you note) the cops' case. Most cops are fine and upstanding public servants that are in it for the right reasons. But there are more ignorant, overzealous, and downright evil bastards "protecting us" than will ever make me comfortable. The Atlanta PD shooting of a 92 year old woman in a botched raid and the subsequent planting of evidence and coverup opened my eyes permanently.
This case stinks to high heaven. I pray the CCTV video A) exists undamaged, B) is in control of an independent agency, and C) is clear enough to resolve this without question one way or another.
The “blue wall of silence” doesn’t work very well when a camera is present.
“The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun,...”
Not true, and I wasn’t even there! Better read some eyewitness stories before you make stuff like that up!
Yep, either a totally normal, upstanding guy suddenly had a breakdown one day (which is definitely possible), or a set of circumstances developed where an innocent man was gunned down by some overzealous and/or poorly trained cops- who may now be trying to cover it up.
Then I’m sure there is security camera footage showing this. In fact it’s probably been released right? Oh wait, it hasn’t. Wonder why?
I think it might be a good idea to know which areas Officer Mosher is assigned to patrol, and to make a determined effort never to go there.
I suspect your theory is the correct one.
Statements from the victims employer...”model employee, best salesman”, graduate of military academy, etc don't tend to support a rampaging lunatic creating panic.
For the sake of argument, let's say that he did become angry and “destroy merchandise”. What would be the sense of driving him, along with all the customers in the store, out the front door and into a confrontation with police officers?
Albuquerque Police now wear minature video cameras clipped on their uniform (in addition to sound recording). Some officers bought them prior to being issued.
APD does a pretty good job, the first officer was on scene of the workplace shooting yesterday within a minute and they were removing the wounded and moving in on the shooter (who offed himself - another brave guy) within three minutes.
If you have some videos of the event, come forth ~ you will be needed as a witness.
In the meantime everybody else in the country is going to get busy organizing a ruinous boycott of COSTCO. People cannot feel safe there if employees can call in shooters like that.
It's unacceptable - all of it.
No one is certain what happened at this point. So take it down a few notches.
I take that back. We do know a few things. One, we know that an employee called police and said the guy had a gun. Two, we know that people were thrown into a panic when the police arrived. Three: we know that the police shot the man dead and that he in fact had at least one concealed weapon. Four, we know that the dead man was a graduate of West Point and Duke, that he held down a good job, and that he had taken the precaution to obtain a concealed carry permit.
There are factual scenarios consistent with those facts that do not make the dead man out to be a crazed, gun-waving nutjob.
I wil also say this: people tend to see what they want to see, what they expect to see. If the police arrived at COSTCO expecting to see a crazed, gun-waving nutjob, that's what they are likely to see even if in fact all that happened is that a gun-hating employee saw an ordinary guy acting ordinary, and spied a concealed carry weapon on him.
A tragic case. It is NOT going to impact my concealed carry habits in the slightest.
“any of them had tried this in the Helmand, he would be right along Stan Macchrystal right now.”
It’s an interesting point, but I’m not sure.
I feel like this cop will be convicted of manslaughter if it’s anything like the eyewitness story. Probably no jail time, but lose his job.
A slogan "COSTCO DELANDA EST"
"It was like he was trying it out," the man said. "I think possibly he was trying to see if it would fit in his backpack."
ANY motion, including “getting down on the ground” would be taken by these officers as threatening and they would shoot. Once they have shot him once they have to finish the job so he can’t tell a story different from theirs. The constant flood of stories of cops shooting dogs who barked or who took no notice of the cops and the many women who get multiply “tazed” implies to me that people join the force with the expectation that they get to shoot or at least “taze” someone if they go out on a call. Maybe it is in the union contract. Hereabouts I would not hesitate to call police to a situation on the beach because the beach police are part of the tourist industry and don’t wish to scare off the tourists. In the burbs back of the beach I would not call a policeman to a situation for any reason. They do not feel constrained by the need to keep the goodwill of any tourists.
It'll certainly impact mine.
I plan to start *physically* practicing the art of safely surrendering to the cops just like I dryfire and live-fire at the range. I'll add a traffic stop scenario to that as well. Just educating yourself and tossing it around in your mind doesn't seem to be enough anymore.
This incident has really ramped up my discomfort with our encroaching police state.
I read another acct that witnessed the so-called berserk behavior.
The witness said the guy was trying to see if some sports drinks fit into a backpack he was thinking about purchasing. The employee noticed the gun on his person and confronted him. The only thing the witness heard was, this would not be a problem in TX. The employee walked away and went to another employee and the store was then told to evacuate. The witness said once outside he did see the gun in a holster,the victim he was told different orders by each officer. The witness said he looked to reach for the gun to remove it, not threaten, he never made it to the holster before they shot him.
You actually believe this line of BS? If he was so crazy why then didn’t store security isolate him? Why was he allowed to leave with the rest of the customers? Why didn’t any of the customers notice a crazy man, hell, I can hear people disciplining their kids from 5 aisles away! If he was so crazy why did the patrons have to be TOLD to leave the store? I don’t need anyone to tell me to leave when someone is going beserk, do you? He had to be pointed out to the police by the employee once outside, he obviously wasn’t acting bizarre then. Do you get that frightened at the site of a gun? Jeez, I feel better knowing people around me are armed!
“The witness said he looked to reach for the gun to remove it”
Look, I feel sorry for this guy, it doesn’t seem like he was a criminal, but that was a dumb move.
If there was a second volley while he was down on the ground like the 1st witness said, then I hope the cops are jailed, but I don’t think they will be.
Oh please. Do you really believe that garbage?
Thank you! I find it hard to believe that this man was the ONLY person in the store armed? Don’t believe that one. I do believe that someone such as yourself would have reacted if the man was going crazy!
Previous posters on other threads regarding this story have mentioned that the best way to surrender to the cops if you are legally carrying is to put your hands up, let them know you are armed, do not move, and tell them where the weapon is.
The downside to that is having three cops all shouting different instructions to you, which is possibly the case here. Drop it, don't move, get down. All distinctly different and mutally exclusive actions.
Standard practice should be for the senior, or initial officer on the scene being the only one giving instructions to the perp.
The cop was close enough to come up behind him and tap him on the shoulder! 2 of those responding had less than 2 yrs. on the force! Not exactly lots of experience there!
Both of my brothers were cops, in major cities, they will be the first to tell you there are a lot of yahoos on the police force. When you have to beg for recruits you don’t necessarily get the cream of the crop!
Glad to hear it. One thing we need to consider — split second judgments will always cause human error. I hope people can be forgiving for honest tragic errors. That might take a while.
The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around.
There are so many errors in your account that it's hard to even know where to begin.
1. There is no evidence that he was "damaging/rampaging" anything in the store. The Costco employee claimed that, but witness accounts say nothing more than he was placing water bottles in his cart.
2. He had a concealed carry license AND Nevada is an open carry state.
3. The only person that "panicked" was the Costco employee who didn't like the fact that he was carrying concealed. Other customers didn't think anything was wrong until the cops started shooting.
How do you know he was RAMPAGING in the srore?