Posted on 07/13/2010 10:24:53 AM PDT by Stayfrosty
BELFAST, Northern Ireland (AP) — Northern Ireland leaders condemned Irish nationalist rioters Tuesday who wounded 82 police officers during two nights of street clashes sparked by the province's annual parades by the British Protestant majority.
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You wrote:
“Very well stated, and I would like to add, that this
same sentiment that I have concerning the Protestant
English coming over and taking a portion of Ireland
for themselves. If the Irish don’t like it, get an
Army and kick the limeys out.”
And some would say they had an army - the Irish Republican Army.
“But it looks like
they only have enough balls to blow up women
and children on a public bus. How macho is that?”
How successful is that? I don’t believe that people who believe they are oppressed care about being macho so much as killing and overthrowing their oppressors. If America was invaded tomorrow and millions of people stole the land and oppressed us, you can bet that many Americans would be more than happy to resort to blowing up women and children to change that. I still have not seen evidence - not at all - that blowing up women and children was actually a policy or tactic of the IRA or even their more violent step-children. Do you know of any such evidence?
>> If the Orange order would just grown up and knock off the marches through Catholic neighborhoods things might have kept moving that way.
Highly antagonistic.
“British culpability on the Famine is one of incompetence, of error, NOT of deliberate callousness.”
Not quite, the British knew how to cure the blight years before it ended the ‘did not let a crisis go to waste’ and used the Blight to tighten their control..
You’re worse than an MSNBC liberal..
Point out an Obama Flaw... and they can’t defend it they just say ‘Bush had the same flaw or worse... yadda yadda”..
You wrote:
“You’re worse than an MSNBC liberal..”
And that comment is a sure sign you have no argument.
“Point out an Obama Flaw... and they can’t defend it they just say ‘Bush had the same flaw or worse... yadda yadda”..”
I am not defending anyone’s flaws. I am just accurate all around. I wish the same could be said for some other posters here.
My post or their marches?
My post just said things were moving in the right way but the OO pokes the bear every year with their ill advised marches..
>> I hate it when Roman Catholics start acting like Muslims.
That is one dumbass remark.
No i’s not its a sign I’ve watch you talk down the seriousness of IRA terrorism the whole thread ignoring the dead innocents as ‘minor’ compared to other groups.
I’ve watched you justify the IRA by pointing at groups on the other side. It’s like wathing someone attack Obama for his part of the debt..
>> Thirdly, we’ll leave Ireland when you give America back to the Indian. Fair enough?.
No more Guinness for you.
>> My post or their marches?
LOL - the marches.
Highly antagonistic.
But true.
Highly antagonistic.
But true.
I’ve got Irish Catholic friends in the Republic of Ireland. They’re wonderful people, gregarious, garrulous, would cheerfully argue with a brick wall and very intelligently, over a pint or two. I love them dearly.
I’ve got ancestry tangled up in the whole Anglo-Irish plantation era, on both sides. English and Irish. So, I tend not to get as angry about it as some do. It happened, and the repercussions continue to reverberated down to this very day.
It’s a pity, though, such a beautiful country and such nice people, until they get at each other. It’s not as if the majority of the Protestants sent there had that much choice, not much more than the Irish upon whom the whole scheme was imposed.
I understand the anger, but I don’t like it. If I thought the people of the Republic would be fair to the Northern Irish Protestants, I’d be all for England ceding the land back to them. What I’m not about to advocate is some forced removal.
Well, that’s my tangled up two cents on the matter.
“I hate it when Roman Catholics start acting like
Muslims.”
I hate it when dumb@sses talk about things they obviously know little about.
yep, that left a mark.
You wrote:
“No i’s not its a sign I’ve watch you talk down the seriousness of IRA terrorism the whole thread ignoring the dead innocents as ‘minor’ compared to other groups.”
That’s completely false. It’s an outright lie in fact. I never talked down any terrorism. I did, however, say the IRA were like boy scouts compared to Islamist terrorists. That is irrefutably true. On one day, a group of 19 Islamist terrorists murdered about 3,000 innocent people. The Provos (IRA) never killed that many in their entire existence. Again, what I said is irrefutably true.
“I’ve watched you justify the IRA by pointing at groups on the other side.”
False. I never justified them ever. I did point out that any people who believes they have no other recourse for establishing their freedom or survival will resort to terrorism. Americans would in a heart beat. Sad, but again, irrefutably true.
“It’s like wathing someone attack Obama for his part of the debt..”
Watching you post is like watching a liar. Oh, wait, you are a liar.
Did you see the programme, see the evidence?. No.
Then why have a go at me?.
The IRA fired first, the Paras overreacted.
’ UNTIL very recently, scholars have neglected the Great Famines impact on the northern Irish province of Ulster and especially its impact on Ulsters Protestant inhabitants. This neglect stemmed in part from historians reading of published census and other data indicating that the Norths general experience of excess mortality and emigration in 1845-52 was indeed less catastrophic than that of southern and western Ireland. Thus, whereas between 1841 and 1851 the populations of Munster and Connacht declined by 22.5 and 28.8 percent, respectively, that of Ulster fell “only” 19.8 percent. (2) To be sure, Joel Mokyr and other scholars have noted that several counties in south or “outer” Ulster—Monaghan, for example, and especially Cavan—witnessed high rates of famine mortality, but this is commonly understood by reference to the fact that their populations were composed predominantly of Catholic petty farmers and cottiers. (3) By contrast, conventional wisdom holds that Northeast Ulster or, even more broadly, the six counties that later became Northern Ireland—and particularly their Protestant inhabitants—escaped the famine with comparatively minimal damage, whether measured in excess mortality or in abnormally heavy out-migration. To explain this apparent phenomenon, historians often have cited socio-economic and cultural factors relatively unique to Northeast Ulster, such as industrialization and urbanization, the prevalence of tenant right and comparatively congenial landlord-tenant relations, and, among the rural populace, a greater variety of income sources and less dietary dependence on potatoes than prevailed in Munster and Connacht. (4)
However, some scholars may inadvertently have repeated contemporary claims by Irish unionists, who argued that “Ulster”—i.e., its Protestant inhabitants—eluded the famine because of the provinces superior “character” for industry, virtue, and loyalty. But in reality, many Protestant as well as Catholic Ulstermen and -women suffered grievously. Between 1841 and 1851 Ulsters population fell by nearly one-fifth—significantly more than the 15.3 percent decline that occurred in heavily Catholic Leinster. During the same period the number of inhabitants of the future Northern Ireland fell 14.7 percent (or 13 percent if Belfasts burgeoning population is included), and in the four northeastern counties that in 1861 had Protestant majorities (Antrim, Armagh, Down, and Londonderry), the comparable decline was 12.1 percent (or, including Belfast, nearly 10 percent). (5) Of course, it is likely that northeastern Catholics suffered more severely than did Protestants, and it is probable that population losses in the region, particularly among Protestants, were primarily due to out-migration rather than to the effects of starvation and disease. (6) However, as David Miller has argued, in the prefamine decades the contraction of rural weaving and spinning had created in Ulster an impoverished Protestant underclass whose members vulnerability to the crisis of 1845-52 can be compared with that of Catholic cottiers and laborers in the South and West. Furthermore, Miller points out, some poor Protestants in Northeast Ulster did perish of malnutrition or “famine fever,” even in areas adjacent to thriving industrial centers. And Mokyrs estimated excess-mortality rates for heavily Protestant County Antrim, as well as for the roughly half-Protestant counties of Armagh, Fermanagh, and Tyrone (all four in the future Northern Ireland), exceed those in most parts of Leinster.’
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...er/ai_80532346
What is your obsession with ‘deliberately targeting’ women and children as opposed to murdering and maiming women and children along with everyone else?.
What is your point?. What twisted moral point are you trying to make?.
Dear Vladimir,
I am Scottish. I have grown up with the IRA. I have had a family member murdered by them. I have Irish relatives, both Catholic and Protestant, by blood and marriage, in both Irelands.
And I am history graduate with an honours degree from Glasgow University, and have studied Irish history since I was 10. Thats 30 years ago.
I KNOW my Irish history, from ancient times to modern day. Backwards and forwards.
So dont think for a second that you know more than me.
Referring to the IRA as ‘boy scouts’ (in comparison to....) is utterly offensive. Offensive to anyone who has ever suffered from them, frankly anyone who simply lived through, even anyone anywhere who opposes terrorism.
Do you understand how offensive your remarks are?. Do you care?.
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