Skip to comments.Gay-to-straight camp run by local man praised, panned
Posted on 07/13/2010 2:24:11 PM PDT by Maelstorm
From his Greene County home, Rich Wyler has spent eight years organizing private weekend camps throughout the country to rid men of sexual attraction to other men.
Wyler, the founder of the nonprofit People Can Change, has hosted camps throughout the United States and in England, including several in the Charlottesville area. More than 1,300 men have attended.
Many participants in the Journey Into Manhood camps blame their gay feelings on childhood experiences. Some were molested. Others felt shunned by male adults or peers.
Like Wyler, most of Wylers volunteer staff members have fought same-sex attraction.
Some participants believe bad childhood experiences caused a disconnect with men, which sparked homosexual attractions, as a way of filling the need for male bonding.
Every person needs to identify with their gender and connect with others from their gender, and unconsciously, a way to do that is sexually, Wyler said.
Many scholars argue theres little proof gay-to-straight therapy works. They say such programs can, instead, inflict deep psychological wounds.
Dr. Jack Drescher, of the American Psychiatric Association, said setting out to change others sexual orientation can be dangerous. When conversion camp participants fail to eliminate gay attraction, participants can conclude they are failures, or that God doesnt love them enough, which could cause more emotional distress or suicidal thoughts, Drescher contends.
In a way, they are screwing with peoples heads, Drescher said. You have to be more careful, when youre screwing around with peoples heads or their sex lives.
But Wyler contends that many critics are ignoring the sexual reorientations for political reasons.
They dont want us to choose our own path and to live out our lives the way we want, Wyler said. They want us to join the gay cause.
Drescher served on an American Psychological Association task force that released a report last year concluding: Efforts to change sexual orientation are unlikely to be successful and involve some risk. The report was largely based on six task force members analysis of published studies.
Drescher said a culture war is brewing around questions of whether gays can be made straight. The religious right is mostly responsible for the notion that sexual orientation, unlike race, can be changed, he said.
He adds that religious and social conservatives argue sexuality is not an essential component of someones being, which has political implications because conservatives use the logic to argue that gays shouldnt be awarded the same civil rights protections as other minorities.
Wyler counters that theres a pro-gay bias by the American Psychological Association and other national organizations that have become leading voices in discussions about sexual orientation. Fearing Journey Into Manhood would be marginalized by the news media and labeled anti-gay, Wyler has largely kept the program out of the public eye.
Most of the gay world would say the only solution is to embrace it, accept it and live it, Wyler said. And if youre married you know divorce your wife, leave your kids and go with this life.
While that may be a solution for some, Wyler says, not everyone is willing to embrace homosexuality. Hes convinced his camps have helped some men live happier lives by overcoming, or at least learning to manage, unwanted same-sex attraction.
Wyler is hoping to expand the camps to much of the world and run a camp each week. Participants pay $650 for the weekend, which includes everything except transportation costs. Of the approximately 45 Journey Into Manhood weekends, four have been held in the Charlottesville area. Theres a volunteer staff of about 20 and as many as 32 participants at each camp.
Participants of Journey Into Manhood say camp leaders dont call homosexuality sinful. Instead, the program sends a message that participants are valued people, regardless of whether they turn from homosexuality, according to participants.
Wyler is a member of a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Albemarle County. However, his program is not affiliated with any religion. Most of the camp guides are men who have fought same-sex attraction unlike many other programs in the U.S. that are operated by religious leaders or professional therapists.
Ty Mansfield a 32-year-old Texas man who married a woman several weeks ago says he believes participating in Journey Into Manhood six years ago has helped him overcome his same-sex attraction.
Growing up, Mansfield said, he didnt have strong relationships with male peers. In a recent interview, he recalled a time in fifth grade when he wanted to give a male peer a hug, but he was turned away by the boy, who then asked if he was gay.
As a young man, he dated women but felt an intense need to connect with men, so he started dating men for about a year in his mid-20s. The connection helped him find the emotional bond he was missing, he said.
But his faith caused Mansfield, a Mormon, to stop dating men. Journey Into Manhood taught him ways to become part of the male community, he said, without the gay. Developing non-romantic relationships with men, Mansfield said, helped him increase his sense of masculinity.
An increase in self-confidence helped him turn his focus to women, eventually reuniting with a schoolmate, now his wife.
Mansfield is a family therapy doctoral student and author of In Quiet Desperation, a book on his experiences as a Mormon with same-sex attraction. Mansfield said his book aims to let people know God loves them regardless of their sexual orientation.
Days before getting married, Mansfield said he still found men attractive but did not feel burdened by that attraction.
I can see a guy, and I can think hes really attractive, Mansfield said. But I also dont feel like I need to go pursue him as a dating partner either.
Mansfield compares his monogamous relationship with that of the typical monogamous man.
He doesnt stop being attracted to women just because hes married, he said. You might notice a beautiful woman, but youre not chasing her.
A man from Ohio who participated in Journey Into Manhood three years ago who agreed to an interview on the condition of anonymity attributes his former same-sex attractions to abuse and molestation. He said he was molested three times as a child and in his early teens by two women and one man causing him to lose confidence and become suicidal.
All men have the need to connect with other men, the 43-year-old said. I didnt know how to connect with other men because it was never shown to me, and in this program, in a very intensive weekend, it showed me how I basically set up a lot of self-destructive behaviors trying to meet those needs.
The man said some of the exercises in Journey Into Manhood that he found most effective were ones that allowed participants to level the playing field with other men, instead of being intimidated. Other exercises encourage participants to increase brotherhood with men. And leaders encourage participants to be truthful to themselves and their loved ones about who they are and what theyre feeling.
For the first time in my life, I was able to admit the physical and sexual abuse to other people, the Ohio man said. Nowadays, he has friendships with men and a stronger marriage. What had been nearly daily homosexual desires has been reduced to sightings of men he finds attractive only once every several weeks or so, he said.
Another participant, Sean, said that he was very sensitive as a boy, and his more rugged older brother constantly poked fun at him and hit him. In one camp exercise, one participant acted out the role of him and another played his brother. Sean was then told to assess the situation and defend the actor pretending to be him as a child.
I was able to confront my issues with my brother, which I thought [were] very damning to my self-esteem, Sean said. So, I had to build my self-esteem back up.
Straight man undercover
Ted Cox, a freelance writer from Sacramento, Calif., who went to a Journey Into Manhood camp undercover, said many of the exercises were laughable at best and angering at worst. Cox, an atheist who opposes therapy designed to change sexual orientation, is writing a book about his research of gay-to-straight therapy.
Cox is a 32-year-old divorced man who says hes been straight his entire life.
At one point during a camp weekend, participants were told to perform a hold with each other thats similar to how a parent would hold a child, Cox said. Another hold involved one man leaning back into anothers chest. The positions were not sexual in nature, Cox said, but he doesnt see how they could help someone become straight.
I would think that some of the things we did at the camp would be counter-productive, said Cox, who called the weekend literally the gayest thing Ive ever done in my life.
Cox said the ex-gay movement is all about trying to find something in gays lives that made them gay. As with other programs hes researched, Journey Into Manhood set out to find something that may explain why participants had same-sex attractions.
Theyll take any sort of negative event in your life, any kind of negative thing in your childhood and say, A-ha! Thats why youre gay, Cox contended, claiming one participant struggled to come up with something in his life that made him feel isolated; the man then pointed to a time in childhood when his father shooed him away because he was reading a newspaper.
The participant proceeded to act out beating his father with a bat, Cox said.
Wyler declined to respond in detail to Coxs reports because Cox had violated an agreement stating that experiences in the camp would remain confidential. Wyler said Cox has a clear agenda to destroy the groups reputation.
As for the non-sexual exercises involving male touching, Wyler said such exercises are effective for many men in the program because they were not hugged or touched in safe ways as children. For some, the need for heterosexual physical contact with men could be an underlying factor for why some pursue gay sex.
Wyler said he does not detail many of the exercises, because many are less effective if participants know whats coming and are able to brace for the intensity of the program.
In 2007, People Can Change conducted a survey of 497 men who had participated in Journey Into Manhood six months to five-and-a-half years prior. Of the 224 respondents, 79 percent reported a decrease in same-sex attractions and 58 percent reported an increase in heterosexual attractions, according to survey results. Additionally, 50 percent reported an increase in heterosexual behaviors, such as dating women, and 13 percent experienced enough change to consider themselves straight.
About 90 percent reported feeling better about themselves, and 83 percent reported feeling more masculine.
Wyler said he doesnt believe its necessarily possible for everyone to rid same-sex attraction, adding, I certainly never say that anyone should change if they dont want to.
Homosexuality and evolution
Clinton Anderson, a psychologist and senior member of the American Psychological Association, organized the task force that explored whether gay reparative therapy is effective.
I dont think, from our perspective, theres any scientific reason to think that such programs would be likely to change sexual orientation, Anderson said.
Sexual orientation is a complex thing and people do, over the lifespan, appear to change, because there are people who become gay or lesbian later in life. So, its possible that people would go in the other direction, Anderson said, adding that a change in sexual orientation is very unusual.
For most people, sexual orientation emerges in early adolescence, he said.
It comes, from their perspective, out of nowhere. Its just the way they are, and that doesnt really change over the life. On the other hand, sexual behavior does change, Anderson said.
As to why some people become gay in early adolescence, Anderson said: I dont think we really know much about that beyond the very fact that it happens.
Anderson says some studies show gay adults are more likely to report that they had been sexually abused as children. However, those studies dont prove molestation causes homosexuality, Anderson contends.
It could be that children who express their sexuality differently from the norm, may in fact, in some way, be more attractive to people who abuse children sexually.
Because there are many gay men who had reported feeling distant from their fathers and closer to their mothers, some psychiatrists in the late 1950s and early 1960s theorized that neglect from fathers caused men to become gay.
The research has never really found good evidence in support of it, Anderson said of the theory. But its equally possible that why a father may be more distant from a son who is going to be gay in adulthood may be because the son is expressing that sexuality in some way that the father is perceiving and the father is not comfortable with, and therefore, is more distant.
Some men say gay-to-straight therapy led them to be rid of their same-sex attractions. But Anderson said that the studies that have been made public fall short of scientific standards.
In many cases, the participants have a desire for a particular result to become straight. Coupled with the fact that many of the studies are being conducted by people who have a stake in the matter, Anderson said, makes it difficult to weigh the value of survey results. He said that, to be valid, there would have to also be a comparison group and results would have to be studied over a long period of time.
Mark Yarhouse, director of Regent Universitys Institute for the Study of Sexual Identity, said he recently completed a study indicating Christian sexual reorientation therapy allowed some participants to reduce same-sex attractions significantly though there generally was not a 180 degree change from gay to straight.
Yarhouse who co-authored the book Ex-gays? had 73 therapy participants with unwanted same-sex attractions complete questionnaires over the course of a few years, to measure changes in sexual attractions and behaviors.
The researchers deemed about 15 percent to be heterosexual three to four years following therapy, and a third of participants reported significant declines in homosexual attractions.
[Sexual reorientation] is possible but probably not as common as those who provide the ministry think it is, and probably not as complete, Yarhouse said. But for those people who say nobody has ever changed I think our evidence would speak against that too. Participants distress before and after therapy was also evaluated. On average, if anything, there was some slight improvement, Yarhouse said.
Wyler said that overcoming his same-sex attractions has greatly improved his life. Wyler is a father of two teenagers and was married to his wife for 18 years before she died of cancer in 2006.
Where before I was in pain, hating myself and my struggle, today I live a life of purpose, mission and peace, Wyler says on his CD introducing prospective participants to the program. I am so thankful that I overcame this struggle in time for us to have many good years in our marriage together. I dont know how I would have forgiven myself if she had died and I was still struggling and still failing her as a husband.
Wyler said he believes few people choose to be gay, and that there is no evidence that people are born to be gay.
The idea that anything like a gay gene or a biological cause has been found is a complete myth, promulgated by gay activists and a sympathetic media, Wyler says on the CD. While evidence for a genetic or biological cause is quite weak, evidence of developmental causes has remained consistent for decades.
What causes same-sex attraction varies, depending on the person, Wyler believes. But for some, high amounts of emotional sensitivity combined with bad childhood experiences can trigger same-sex attraction. Thats what he believes happened with him.
He attributes the same-sex attractions that he had dealt with for much of his life to a childhood in which he lacked a meaningful relationship with my father and had an inborn sensitivity to peer ridicule.
Wyler said some gays assume hes suggesting gays are broken or they should change.
Im not saying theres anything wrong with you, Wyler said. But neither is there anything wrong with the men who come to us for support.
Its that they want to make changes in their lives, and they should have the right to make those changes, just as gays have the right to live a gay life, Wyler said. I hope that, one day, the people in gay communities will be secure enough in their own civil rights and their life situations that they wont be so threatened by those who choose different paths.
The lavender mafia took over the APA ages ago.
Which is more dangerous, encouraging someone to fight some of their urges and come to terms with them (adulters too must overcome instinct), or encouraging them to get plastic surgery and hormone treatments to pretend to be someone hermaphroditic?
There are transexuals who regret having the surgery (some even commit suicide because it didn't make them HAPPY).
Encouraging self-destructive behavior is not a good thing.
“Many scholars argue theres little proof gay-to-straight therapy works. They say such programs can, instead, inflict deep psychological wounds.”
NOTHING compared to the deep psychological wounds they inflict on themselves and their families when they “embrace their homosexuality”.
Didn't the APA decide at one point that man-boy relationships wern't necessarily bad? They relented after a lot of publicity and pressure.
Don't want to give away the game too early, you know.
If he believes it can be dangerous then it would follow that attempting to dissuade anyone from a sexual target of desire would be dangerous. It is stupid and idiotic. No where but in the realm of dumbass psychobabble would such a stupid statement be accepted. It continues to amaze me how such a sexually “liberated” group feigns as if they know nothing about sex at all.
“...some were molested...”???? Really? Ya’think? Get a grip. By definition, they ALL were.
Yeah but that doesn’t matter. It is about being “true” to what ever their sexual desire is. This issue is an example of how fuzzy “science” has become. Psychology is really just a political tool of the radicals that have managed to move into power. People would be surprised at the number of perverts and mental cases (not just homosexual) that reign in the Psychology depts.
Go read up on the "Sex Positive" agenda and teachings.
They seek to end all moral judgements over ALL sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, relation, martial status, number, or species of partner(s). They see sex as a birthright to be enjoyed by everyone at every age.
Positive.org has a "just say yes" campaign to teens questioning having sex.
The question of if homosexuality et al are "biological" or "conditional" matter not to the psychobabblists. They don't believe in a concept of "morality". It matters not what drives someone to do something, let them do it ANYWAY.
I know what their goal is. I’ve been following and fighting for the past 15 or so years. The sexual liberalism is dangerous and destructive and has cost us trillions when you weight the social impact.
They reign in the media as well.
If don’t ask, don’t tell, is such a confining policy, why do the homosexual anchors remain closeted? I’m sure home viewers would like to know why they push for this and the same sex marriage laws so much.
Is this kind of counseling covered by Obamacare?
All behavior is learned. Every behavior can be abated. The human possesses a spirit and a soul and has free will. Some habits, long engrained can be exceptionally difficult but nothing is an impossibility.
The real question is WHY should someone change or alter any behavior at all?
The only answer, the only definitive is: In obedience to God. Take God out of the answer and there becomes NO behavior you cannot self justify.
Homosexual behavior is simply a powerful conditioning reinforcement agent, and very public and hard to conceal. Which is why the fags wish to have it accepted, because their other sins are easier to hide.
An ex gay may struggle with the conditioning forever, just as an ex drunk may or drug addict or even a compulsive liar or any number of neurotic behaviors.
There is a difference between attraction and execution. And a difference between embracing and repenting. And time and alternative behaviors will alter anything... in due time.
Pray for these folks to keep up their good works.
Why doesn’t the gay community address fundamental logic about learned behaviors. Looking at Aristotle’s idea of habituation and definition of virtue is still relevant today.
The size of the brain and areas that become more developed are those that are used....say in mathematics or language. Brains of scientists show the massive development which corresponds directly to the experiences of that individual—such as practicing music and math and spacial games.
Language acquired by children is directly related to the complexities of the language/s they are exposed to in a secure, loving environment in the early childhood. Romanian orphans had vast areas of underdevelopment of the brain because of lack of stimulation. Large areas of the brain were not mapped. Most died from lack of stimulation but the ones that do survive are retarded in most areas and dysfunctional at best.
All behaviors are learned or encouraged or discouraged by active or passiveness in the environment of the home or institutions where they spend their formative years. Repeated enough times, certain things become habitual. Emotional needs not being fulfilled lead to obsessive, abnormal behaviors. Sucking a thumb will occur in babies who are not allowed to suckle enough in the first two years of life. Babies not rocked or held enough resort to rocking in their beds.
Natural Law designs people to be a certain way and if allowed no interference from this design, no abnormalities occur, such as sexual aberations.
Certain cultures had rampant homosexuality (Spartans) because they promoted it. If the culture never condemned it and actually promotes it, then most practiced it. But that always includes pedophilia. In Sparta, boys were initiated into homosexuality at a young age by older men. Heterosexual sex was encouraged for procreation only but society had to put social encouragement, otherwise the males weren’t interested in women. Women had low status and male beauty was glorified in the arts, more than woman’s.
The habituation of sexual acts created the desire and need, and the object of one’s sexual desire was determined before the natural sexual desire at puberty was established.
In the tribal cultures where homosexuality was not tolerated, they had little, if any, problems with homosexual activity. Even Kinsey said that lifestyle was just that—a lifestyle and that it was fluid (changeable).
It is like the Tango Makes There.....the big lie that penguins can be (naturally) homosexual. A female penguin broke up the duo and ended the so-called “homosexual” pair which was caused by unnatural habitat.
Good news that gayness can be cured.
“Good news that gayness can be cured.’
Any sin can be repented of. Repented includes turning from the sin, not indulging in it any more; not just being sorry you did it.
Some sins are harder to shake than others. But God Himself can uproot the worst of sins.
Those struggling with any sort of sin, sexual or otherwise, should be aware of that. It is encouraging to me. There is always a way out.
Screwing with people's heads? Is this really how the intelligentsia elite talk? The guy's a mutt with cr@p for brains.
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Looks like a great article and some interesting comments too. (I haven't read it yet - will tonight - just wanted to get it out there to the list.)
There is nothing the homosexual agenda pushers hate more than the truth that no one is born "gay" and that People Can indeed Change.
Yeah and they sure as hell don’t mind screwing with the heads of little impressionable children. These people aren’t scientists, they are propagandists that specialize in making you disbelieve your own eyes and instincts so as to serve their political aims.
And yet they'll try to rehabilitate child molesters and then turn them loose on society again and again.
Yep that is one thing that is has never jived with me. The inconsistency of the so called “science” is large. Claims are made about homosexuality and other alternative sexual practices that just fly in the face not only of basic understanding of human sexuality but also the typical approaches made throughout the mental health profession. No where else do they chastise a person who feels a need to address unwanted desires as they do with one who has same sex attraction. The road only goes in one direction no matter what the source.
BTW: I hope you are doing well in sunny CA.
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