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U.S. citizen caught at border with machine guns
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | July 14, 2010 | Karen Kucher

Posted on 07/14/2010 7:31:32 AM PDT by La Lydia

A 20-year-old U.S. citizen was stopped at the U.S.-Mexico border crossing in Andrade on Saturday with two machine guns strapped to the engine of his pickup. Customs and Border Protection officers working at the crossing near Yuma, Ariz., noticed that the driver of the truck appeared nervous and stopped his vehicle for a closer inspection. When they popped the hood, they saw the guns, which were attached to the engine with plastic zip ties. They also found 680 rounds of ammunition...

Also found was two boxes of machine gun ammunition links, used to fashion an automated belt for the machine gun ammunition.

The vehicle, weapons and ammunition were seized. The driver, a resident of El Mirage, Ariz., will face criminal charges and was turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Border Enforcement Security Task Force....

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; banglist; mexico; mg3; zetas
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Well. This raises more questions than it answers. It doesn't indicate, to me at least, which way he was going. Into Mexico? Into the US? Napolitano now has CBP checking vehicles leaving our country to see if they are carrying weapons (which sort of undermines our security, I think). Anyway, what was this name? He is a "resident" of El Mirage. What does he do there?
1 posted on 07/14/2010 7:31:36 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

Lucky for him he was caught on the US side of the border rather than the other side.


2 posted on 07/14/2010 7:33:58 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: La Lydia

What is his name? Was he an ANCHOR BABY?


3 posted on 07/14/2010 7:34:36 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: La Lydia

“— A 20-year-old U.S. citizen was stopped at the U.S.-Mexico border crossing in Andrade on Saturday with two machine guns strapped to the engine of his pickup.”

...this scant bit of information probably tells you what his ethnicity was...


4 posted on 07/14/2010 7:37:32 AM PDT by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: La Lydia
Why is the man's ethnicity? Is he Arab-American, African-American, or Mexican-American? Maybe he is one of those pesky Amish-no not possible, there is no political correctness protecting the identity of Christians.


5 posted on 07/14/2010 7:37:45 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: La Lydia
Wait,... didn’t the Aztlan President (either one or both) just tell us the machine guns were going in the opposite direction?
6 posted on 07/14/2010 7:40:07 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: La Lydia

So he was crossing into the US from Mexico?


7 posted on 07/14/2010 7:40:24 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: La Lydia

Given that Mexican drug gangs have full-auto weapons (stolen from Mexican Army and other sources), and that there are PLENTY of gang-bangers in the US who would love the bragging rights of having full auto (hey, if it’s a felony for you to even possess a single-shot gun, might as well go for the whole enchilada).


8 posted on 07/14/2010 7:41:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: La Lydia

El Mirage is Mexi-town, USA. The guy was likely an illegal from Mexico.


9 posted on 07/14/2010 7:45:26 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Progressivism, Socialism, Marxism, Communism - it's all shades of black.)
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To: La Lydia
A 20-year-old U.S. citizen was stopped at the U.S.-Mexico border...

They had to highlight this in the very first sentence. Makes you wonder what they are hiding. Let me guess...

10 posted on 07/14/2010 7:49:16 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: La Lydia

What kind of drug were the Customs and Border Protection officers there to escort to a safe haven for the Drug Cartels?.. They surely were NOT there to capture insurgents..


11 posted on 07/14/2010 7:51:21 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: La Lydia

Two machine guns strapped to the engine with plastic ties?...... defies reason and credibility......car engines are HEAT PUMPS....plastic ties melt at tempratures much less than the operating temp of a car engine....... I stopped reading right there.....


12 posted on 07/14/2010 7:52:19 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (One aspect of the information age is the acceptance as fact of the uninformed opinion)
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To: La Lydia
Look at the photos at the sight.

MG 42!!

13 posted on 07/14/2010 7:52:59 AM PDT by Charlespg
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To: Forty-Niner

Maybe it was the intake manifold. They look a lot alike unless seen when the engine is producing high power and the exhausts tend to glow red.


14 posted on 07/14/2010 7:54:28 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Forty-Niner

Some heat ties are very heat resistant.


15 posted on 07/14/2010 7:55:17 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Remember, guys, the enemy is to the left and the middle.)
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To: PapaBear3625

The major weapons supplier to the drug cartels is Venezuela, which gets them from China. Yes, some are stolen from the Mexican military, but ole’ Hugo Chavez is doing his part to further destabilize Mexico.


16 posted on 07/14/2010 7:55:42 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Charlespg
MG-42

No. MG3 (modern version in .308). Mexican military bought 10,000+ of them in 2002.

17 posted on 07/14/2010 7:56:39 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: PapaBear3625

Is using the term “whole enchilada” considered profiling ?


18 posted on 07/14/2010 7:57:27 AM PDT by white17x
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To: La Lydia
I would expect that he was coming to the U.S. because you are not checked on the U.S. side when going to Mexico by U.S customs but you might be checked on the Mexican side. I lived on the border for 5 years and was only checked one time by U.S. officials when I was going to Mexico and that was at a roadblock on the bridge and they were looking for someone. When leaving Mexico you are not checked on their side but could be checked on this side.
19 posted on 07/14/2010 8:02:00 AM PDT by Hotmetal (Support the castle, defend the flag.)
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To: La Lydia

I think it rather obvious; the guns were coming into the US. If they were going south there would have been the usual screed about the US supplying guns to the Mexican drug cartels.


20 posted on 07/14/2010 8:02:13 AM PDT by snowtigger (It ain't what you shoot, it's what you hit...)
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To: massgopguy

If we dont reverse the Anchor Baby law....retroactively....were done.


21 posted on 07/14/2010 8:04:43 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: Hotmetal

No. You are wrong. For a year now, CBP has been ordered to check for weapons going INTO Mexico. It is annoying to me that manpower which should be used to stop illegals and drugs coming into our country is used to secure Mexico.
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/speeches/sp_1248440471735.shtm

And the guy was going INTO Mexico.
http://apostille.us/news/cbp_stops_machine_guns_ammunition_headed_into_mexico_from_california.shtml


22 posted on 07/14/2010 8:07:24 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: snowtigger

See number 22


23 posted on 07/14/2010 8:09:30 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

My mistake, haven’t been sence ‘98.


24 posted on 07/14/2010 8:15:24 AM PDT by Hotmetal (Support the castle, defend the flag.)
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To: La Lydia

25 posted on 07/14/2010 8:16:02 AM PDT by catman67
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To: catman67

Great photo — please explain. Who-what-when-where-how. Is it you?


26 posted on 07/14/2010 8:19:59 AM PDT by La Lydia
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Great that they grabbed this guy. But it would be even better if they were more vigilant at stopping illegal weapons, drugs, and people coming INTO the USA. Surely the Mexican authorities could and should be primarily responsible for contraband ENTERING Mexico. Why are our people being diverted from their principal mission—protecting the USA—in order to protect Mexico?
27 posted on 07/14/2010 8:21:08 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: PapaBear3625; Rebelbase

No, he was going into Mexico. See post No. 22.


28 posted on 07/14/2010 8:21:10 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

I’m sure that he bought those at a local gun shop or a recent gun show. The BATF will probably start raiding gunshops and gun shows to put a stop to this.


29 posted on 07/14/2010 8:23:59 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: La Lydia

Oops, my bad. Some editor is going to lose his job. He missed his chance to whine about “loopholes”.


30 posted on 07/14/2010 8:25:57 AM PDT by snowtigger (It ain't what you shoot, it's what you hit...)
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To: La Lydia

He should have doone what the Jackal did in the “Day of the Jackal”. Cut out a piece of his exhaust and hidden the parts in the piping.


31 posted on 07/14/2010 8:26:20 AM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: DCBryan1
FTA:"In total, CBP officers found: an MG42 7.92 universal machine gun, a SA43 7.62 X54R MM machine gun, 680 rounds of ammunition, including 280 7.62 caliber rounds, 100 8mm caliber rounds, 100 22LR caliber rounds, and 200.233 caliber rounds, and two boxes of machine gun ammunition links, used to fashion an automated belt for the machine gun ammunition.

Interesting collection. Looks like someone's private stash of WW2 war trophys. Guns that old should have long since been on the BATF list.

If I recall correctly, 8mm is shorthand for the 7.92 German round, and I wonder if those 280 7.62 rounds are 7.62X54R. You have to wonder who there were stolen from, or, if when Granddad died, Grandma called the sweet young guy from down the street, the one with all the friends in his yard every night, and asked if he wanted them...

32 posted on 07/14/2010 8:31:06 AM PDT by jonascord (We've got the Constitution to protect us. Why should we worry?)
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To: snowtigger

Well, it seems that the reporter has a reading disability. I went to the DHS website and their press release says very clearly that the guy was going into Mexico. So she blew her chance to write about loopholes, and her editor did too. :)


33 posted on 07/14/2010 8:31:23 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

Given the hoplophobic nature of journalists, they very well could have been semi-auto 50-cals, and they wouldn’t know the difference. I can’t see a self-fire lever in the picture.


34 posted on 07/14/2010 8:40:33 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Me either. ;)


35 posted on 07/14/2010 8:41:15 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: massgopguy

Somehow I think that if the guy were Caucasian this would already be national news.


36 posted on 07/14/2010 8:42:13 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Anti-Gunners suffer from Factose Intolerance)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Sorry, select-fire, not “self-fire”.


37 posted on 07/14/2010 8:42:41 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: La Lydia

Anyone taking non-stolen ammo from the US to Mexico is an idiot. Ammo is CHEAP south of the border, and with the right connections, anything from COMBLOC nations, including auto-cannons, machineguns, explosives, etc.


38 posted on 07/14/2010 8:47:52 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: jonascord
Wow. Thanks.

However, these are DOTGOV types that wouldn't know if these were actual Title 2 machineguns, whether legal or not, or what I think, the semi-automatic clones for those that don't want to spend $30,000 + for legal, transferable MG-42s and a Russian Goryunov SA43.

I keep seeing semi-auto belt feds at gunshows and get damn tired of seeing people call them "sheengunz" when in fact, they are perfectly legal, faux, semi-automatic boat anchors.

39 posted on 07/14/2010 8:51:12 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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...this scant bit of information probably tells you what his ethnicity was...

Now, now...are you profiling?...;)

40 posted on 07/14/2010 9:15:54 AM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: catman67

Death Race 2000, with David Carradine as “Frankenstein”.


41 posted on 07/14/2010 9:23:07 AM PDT by Don W (I keep some folks' numbers in my 'phone just so I know NOT to answer when they call...)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


42 posted on 07/14/2010 9:29:26 AM PDT by HiJinx (I can see November from my front porch - and Mexico from the back.)
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To: Magnum44

...this scant bit of information probably tells you what his ethnicity was...

Now, now...are you profiling?...;)

Absolutely :)


43 posted on 07/14/2010 9:33:30 AM PDT by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: La Lydia

Hmmm. was he intending to supply the other side? Druggies, coyotes...hard to say? Does not sound like a citizen wanting to help patrol the border...but the press will frame it that way. Evil militia taking machine guns to gun down helpless immigrants is how they will make it appear, when perhaps the exact opposite is true.


44 posted on 07/14/2010 9:36:09 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: nathanbedford; La Lydia
Hold on a minute! The guy was just using common sense. Anyone going near our border with Mexico, our quaint and colorful neighbor, SHOULD carry a machine gun.

The only fault I can find with this fellow is his failure to call for adequate artillery preparation. As to his ethnicity, every American should know that the greatest danger to our security is the prevalence of deucedly clever Norwegian Motorcycle Gangs. After fueling up on lutefisk at Lutheran Church Suppers, they use disguise, costumes, fake dialects, makeup, and convincing cross-cultural signs. The Barney Fifes out there simply cannot see through the eyewitness testimony (duped again) and always blame the wrong ethnic group.

Sad to report, they have even managed to implicate the Amish in their fiendish Viking shenanigans. So don't jump to conclusions. That could be racist.

45 posted on 07/14/2010 9:48:08 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Think about this. The Party of Constitutional Restoration. Program, Plan, Leaders, Courage.)
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To: Hotmetal

He was going from the U.S. into Mexico, DHS has been checking cars going into Mexico at the border for about a year.


46 posted on 07/14/2010 9:52:55 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: massgopguy
A 20-year-old U.S. citizen was stopped at the U.S.-Mexico border crossing

My guess is an Anchor Baby all growed up.

47 posted on 07/14/2010 9:56:00 AM PDT by Petruchio
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To: La Lydia

That’s my question.

My guess will be that if don’t hear any more about, he was heading North.

If he was heading South, we’ll never hear the end of it.


48 posted on 07/14/2010 11:07:43 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: GYL2

And the guy was heading South INTO Mexico.
http://apostille.us/news/cbp_stops_machine_guns_ammunition_headed_into_mexico_from_california.shtml


49 posted on 07/14/2010 11:16:05 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: HiJinx

note to self: DO NOT look nervous at the border when carrying weapons

(just kidding)


50 posted on 07/14/2010 11:20:47 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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