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LV officer at Costco recorded in 911 call (Update)
Las Vegas Review Journal ^ | 7-14-10 | Lawrence Mower

Posted on 07/14/2010 11:25:16 AM PDT by Lance Romance

LV officer at Costco recorded in 911 call



Official says police shout at victim: 'Get on the ground'



A 911 call made by a Summerlin Costco employee captures police shouting orders to 39-year-old Erik Scott before the U.S. Military Academy graduate was shot and killed, according to Las Vegas police.

Capt. Patrick Neville said an employee was talking to dispatchers and was close enough to the scene on Saturday that a recording of the conversation caught an officer clearly yelling, "Get on the ground."

Police have refused to release the recording. Investigators hope to review store surveillance video, but Neville said he didn't know whether any video of the shooting existed.


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The official police story has certainly changed from a man going "beserk" in Costco to a man behaving "erratically" whatever that means.

Dozens of people witnessed the event, and many disagree on whether Scott pulled a gun and aimed it at officers, as police have alleged. The Review-Journal has interviewed six witnesses. Two claim to have seen Scott pull out a gun, and one of the two said it was in a holster.

Investigators have interviewed more than 40 witnesses, including more than a dozen who said they saw Scott with the gun in his hand and out of his waistband, Neville said.

Witnesses have also disagreed on what they heard police order Scott to do. Some heard, "Get on the ground," while others heard "Drop it," or "Get down."

1 posted on 07/14/2010 11:25:18 AM PDT by Lance Romance
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To: Lance Romance

It appears that the police will so muddy the water that they’ll get away with having killed this man.


2 posted on 07/14/2010 11:29:46 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Lance Romance

/mark


3 posted on 07/14/2010 11:30:16 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (1.416785(71) x 10^32 frwv)
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To: Lance Romance

The police were just doing their jobs; following standard procedure. There is no record of a policeman violating a citizen.

/s


4 posted on 07/14/2010 11:31:40 AM PDT by Gigantor (Freedom carries with it responsibility. Too many want freedom FROM responsibility...)
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To: Lance Romance
Police have refused to release the recording.

They'll just tell us what it says instead.

Investigators hope to review store surveillance video, but Neville said he didn't know whether any video of the shooting existed.

How many days after the fact and they still don't know if there is video?

5 posted on 07/14/2010 11:33:54 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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To: Lance Romance

Not enough info for an informed opinion, but that won’t stop either the cop-haters or the cop-lovers.


6 posted on 07/14/2010 11:35:53 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

This must be the first article you’ve read on this.


7 posted on 07/14/2010 11:36:50 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair
How many days after the fact and they still don't know if there is video?

A few days to find it and a few days to lose it. Announcement shortly.

8 posted on 07/14/2010 11:37:56 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Stentor
"How many days after the fact and they still don't know if there is video?"

OOPPPS! Accidently taped the All-Star game over it!
9 posted on 07/14/2010 11:41:22 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Stentor
"A few days to find it and a few days to lose it. Announcement shortly."

It's a shame the recording equipment wasn't working properly that day.

10 posted on 07/14/2010 11:41:58 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Fundamentally Fair
How many days after the fact and they still don't know if there is video?

They'll determine if there's a video after they analyze what's on it.

11 posted on 07/14/2010 11:42:40 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Lance Romance

ping


12 posted on 07/14/2010 11:59:00 AM PDT by FoxPro (Out side of a dog, books are mans best friend. Inside of a dog, it is to dark to read.)
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To: Lance Romance

The lawsuits are going to fly over this one.


13 posted on 07/14/2010 12:10:20 PM PDT by taxtruth (Something really stinks In The Federal Government/Mafia and I think it's BO!)
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To: Lance Romance

I’m confused...why would one call 911 if the police are already there?


14 posted on 07/14/2010 12:12:21 PM PDT by Gettin Betta
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To: dead
They'll determine if there's a video after they analyze what's on it.

And if necessary, store it in the evidence locker next to a giant magnet.

15 posted on 07/14/2010 12:14:02 PM PDT by Never on my watch (The Obama Administration - an outrage a day)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Investigators have interviewed more than 40 witnesses, including more than a dozen who said they saw Scott with the gun in his hand and out of his waistband, Neville said.


16 posted on 07/14/2010 12:14:12 PM PDT by Grunthor (I like you but when the zombies chase us, I'm tripping you.)
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To: Gettin Betta

I think they sometimes say “hang on the line until help arrives”, and then things happened real (too) fast.


17 posted on 07/14/2010 12:15:19 PM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: Lance Romance

And another one here.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2552564/posts

The cops are just running around and shooting at people.


18 posted on 07/14/2010 12:17:16 PM PDT by FoxPro (Out side of a dog, books are mans best friend. Inside of a dog, it is to dark to read.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
It appears that the police will so muddy the water that they’ll get away with having killed this man.

Geez ... maybe us old white guys will have something to riot about.

19 posted on 07/14/2010 12:20:51 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston
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To: Grunthor
I'm sure that's what the cops say. A witness in one of the other articles was 8 - 10 feet away from Scott, on his right. He said Scott was raising his hands and they were empty. Other earlier articles say his gun was still zipped in it's holster.

I thought the Oakland cop was innocent. These guys are not.

20 posted on 07/14/2010 12:21:35 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Grunthor

No that is not what the witnesses have said they said he removed it from his waistband but it was still in a zipped holster. That is what I read yesterday in one of the articles posted.


21 posted on 07/14/2010 12:23:38 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: RobinOfKingston
Geez ... maybe us old white guys will have something to riot about.

I'm not sure that I know how. Do Grandmas riot? I suppose we could learn.

22 posted on 07/14/2010 12:24:01 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

The COSTCO Legal team have it right now. They are trying to figure out how to play the fact that it was one of their employees who set off this tragedy.


23 posted on 07/14/2010 1:03:18 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: Grunthor

40 - 12 = 28

Your mileage may vary.


24 posted on 07/14/2010 1:58:10 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

We can BOYCOTT COSTCO UNTIL THE TAPES ARE RELEASED.

And I want to see WHAT EXACTLY SCOTT WAS DOING THAT WAS SOOO BAD AS TO CALL THE POLICE!!!

That employee had other options than just calling the police. Like go get another employee or the store manager to talk to him. CALLING THE POLICE IS NOT A FIRST OPTION.


25 posted on 07/14/2010 2:08:41 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Grunthor

Well... if he was told to drop it, wouldn’t he have to grab it with his hand so he could do so? Maybe he should have had a magic gun that he could drop on voice command. /s


26 posted on 07/14/2010 2:09:44 PM PDT by ken in texas
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To: Grunthor; DJ MacWoW

“Investigators have interviewed more than 40 witnesses, including more than a dozen who said they saw Scott with the gun in his hand and out of his waistband, Neville said.”

That would make about 30 (more than 40 - more than a dozen) who said his hands were empty (or that they couldn’t see, in which case they aren’t really witnesses).

People see what they expect to see. If there is a police shooting, they expect to see the other guy with a gun. They do NOT expect to see the other guy with empty hands.

There is also NO WAY that they ‘don’t know if there is video’ by now. The video may be inconclusive (ie, it may not be possible to see Scott’s hands), but they know if there is video.

Anyone know if they found any drugs in Scott’s body? Or turn up any indication that Scott wanted to commit suicide by cop? The cops guns were already drawn, according to what I’ve read previously. There aren’t many who try to outdraw a drawn gun - although a drawn gun doesn’t prevent the bearer from being shot.

I think 2 things are obvious:

1 - The cops badly mishandled this. You do NOT try to take down an armed suspect in a crowd!

2 - If, heaven forbid, I ever shoot someone in self defense, I’ll be held to a higher standard of restraint and self-control than these cops demonstrated.


27 posted on 07/14/2010 2:19:41 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: panthermom
The COSTCO Legal team have it right now. They are trying to figure out how to play the fact that it was one of their employees who set off this tragedy.

Hopefully, the widow will end up owning ALL of COSTCO.

28 posted on 07/14/2010 2:20:35 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: DJ MacWoW

One small difference. The Oakland cop killed a Black man.

These cops killed a White man[in my opinion, murdered]. This is what will keep them from being prosecuted. And it will probably help them be promoted.


29 posted on 07/14/2010 2:28:15 PM PDT by sport
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To: DJ MacWoW
I'm not sure that I know how. Do Grandmas riot? I suppose we could learn.

Maybe there's a gubmint training program.

30 posted on 07/14/2010 2:29:00 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston
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To: TruthConquers
There are several threads on FR about this and statements by witnesses that are posted. This is what eyewitnesses have said.

Mr Scott was testing bottles to see if they'd fit his backpack. He was crouched on the floor. An employee saw his gun and said something. He said he was licensed to carry. While talking to him, another employee stood around the corner and called police saying he was waving his gun and acting erratically. That call ended in his death. The employees were upset that he was CCW. He was also with his girlfriend. They were buying things because she was moving in with him.

31 posted on 07/14/2010 2:32:45 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Must be a shortage of AlNiCo and they are waiting on a backorder.


32 posted on 07/14/2010 2:35:21 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Obama suffers from decision-deficit disorder." Oliver North 6/25/10)
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To: Mr Rogers; Grunthor

He was at Costco buying items because his girlfriend was moving in with him. He was a graduate of West Point, a veteran and a CCW. He was also a top salesman for pacemakers and was popular because he talked to the patients themselves. His father is also a veteran and an author. All this was in earlier articles. This was not a drug user or a suicidal man. His girlfriend was a few feet away from him when he was shot.


33 posted on 07/14/2010 2:36:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; RobinOfKingston

If I don’t riot soon, I wont be able to, nor remember what a riot is, or where they have them at.


34 posted on 07/14/2010 2:42:13 PM PDT by rightly_dividing
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To: DJ MacWoW

I have read a number of these threads, but that there were two employees and that the one who talked to him was NOT the one who called, well.... the one who called is an accessory to murder and should be charged as such. Her inflammatory statements and out right lies lead to that young man’s death.

The book should be thrown at her.


35 posted on 07/14/2010 2:44:35 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: rightly_dividing; RobinOfKingston
If I don’t riot soon, I wont be able to, nor remember what a riot is, or where they have them at.

Well I've never been to a riot but I guess I could put it in my bucket list. After my nap.

36 posted on 07/14/2010 2:46:20 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: sport
I thought of that too but this is the victims father.

William B Scott

37 posted on 07/14/2010 2:49:32 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: RobinOfKingston
Maybe there's a gubmint training program.

*ahem* I don't think they'll let us train with them.

38 posted on 07/14/2010 2:50:32 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: TruthConquers
The book should be thrown at her.

Yep. She lied to expedite police arrival.

39 posted on 07/14/2010 2:52:12 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: ken in texas

I seem to recall a story covered here some years ago about some poor schlub who was shot in his car by a cop (don’t recall whether the guy died).

In that case, one cop was shouting at the guy to keep his hands on the wheel. The other cop was shouting at the guy to get out of his car. Only problem was, the guy had his seat belt on. He was a dead man no matter what he did, wasn’t he?


40 posted on 07/14/2010 3:16:34 PM PDT by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
A gramma doesn't really need to learn to riot. It's enough for her to be a riot.
41 posted on 07/14/2010 3:19:11 PM PDT by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Samarium Cobalt works better for their purposes.


42 posted on 07/14/2010 3:21:10 PM PDT by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: Lance Romance

It’s a shame that the video tapes were damaged by swamp gas.


43 posted on 07/14/2010 3:24:20 PM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: marktwain; RightOnline; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; driftdiver; 1_Rain_Drop; Doogle; Eye of Unk; ...

*ping*
Costco Shooting: More Info / Update


44 posted on 07/14/2010 3:25:36 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Gettin Betta

It is standard practice for most agencies to have the dispatcher try to keep 911 callers on the line until they know the responders are on scene. Doesn’t alwalys happen that way for any number of reasons.


45 posted on 07/14/2010 3:25:55 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: Erasmus
A gramma doesn't really need to learn to riot. It's enough for her to be a riot.

I have been told on occasion that I could CAUSE a riot but I was younger then. And then I had 3 children and became a riot. Or is that a circus. I forget.

46 posted on 07/14/2010 3:30:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: ken in texas
The cop spokesman can't even keep his own story straight on that one.

http://www.8newsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=12801643

"If I give you a command to drop the weapon or get on the ground, or whatever I happen to do, and you don't comply with that and you have a weapon in your hand, you continue moving forward and pointing at me, I'm going to definitely think that my life is in danger. I would definitely think, in my mind, that you're going to shoot me," said Metro Capt. Patrick Neville.

So which is it, Captain Neville? Drop the weapon or get on the ground? You can't have both, and then shoot him when he chooses to obey one.

47 posted on 07/14/2010 3:33:50 PM PDT by conimbricenses (Red means run son, numbers add up to nothing.)
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To: conimbricenses
You can't have both, and then shoot him when he chooses to obey one.

Sure they can. And probably get away with it unless his family makes noise. And his Dad just might do that.

48 posted on 07/14/2010 3:39:49 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Thanks for the ping.


49 posted on 07/14/2010 3:41:28 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: NonValueAdded

“Must be a shortage of AlNiCo “

They could just use a 15” speaker. One of those new light-weight Neo jobs!


50 posted on 07/14/2010 3:42:58 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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