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Penny-Pinching Towns Put Police Out to Pasture
AOL News ^ | 13 July 2010 | Karen Schwartz

Posted on 07/14/2010 2:21:22 PM PDT by Lorianne

FORT COLLINS, Colo. (July 13) -- The sheriff will be walking the streets again in San Luis -- the oldest community in Colorado. But it's not a return to the Wild West; the town fired its entire police force to save money.

Around the country other towns -- large and small -- are also eliminating their police departments. The Los Angeles suburb of Maywood, Calif., fired its officers, as did rural Bethel, Maine. Near Pittsburgh, Fallowfield, Pa., also voted to disband its police department.

The towns have been turning law enforcement over to county sheriffs, a decision that Jim Pasco, executive director of the National Fraternal Order of Police, called "penny wise and pound foolish."

He told AOL News that sheriff's departments and state police don't have the manpower to properly patrol larger areas.

"The absolute threshold responsibility of a government at any level is to ensure the safety of its citizens," he said, adding that local police officers are more effective because they "know the town, know the people and know the nuances."

(Excerpt) Read more at aolnews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cultureofcorruption; donutwatch; policeforce; revenuetickets

1 posted on 07/14/2010 2:21:22 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Near Pittsburgh, Fallowfield, Pa., also voted to disband its police department

Well, THIS won't last long.

2 posted on 07/14/2010 2:23:10 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (CNN:AP:etc:Today, President Obama's stool was firm and well-formed. One end was slightly pointed. ")
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To: Lorianne
But the crime rate is significant in Maywood, Calif., an industrial working-class town of more than 30,000 residents. There were four murders in 2008, twice the national average, according to the website city-data.com.

Maywood had a $450,000 deficit in a $210 million budget. In addition, it had been unable to obtain insurance and workers' compensation coverage because it had faced too many lawsuits, many involving the police.

Rather than declare bankruptcy, all city functions were outsourced this month. The duties of the 41 police officers -- who also patrolled the neighboring city of Cudahy -- were turned over to the sheriff's department in neighboring East Los Angeles.

3 posted on 07/14/2010 2:24:42 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Traditional government functions now require a "user fee," or go un-done.

Tax money is needed to buy votes for politicians.

4 posted on 07/14/2010 2:24:44 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Lorianne
So if they disband the police force, does this mean that they also are turning over the lockups to the county?

Too many cities want the revenue from tickets without the expense of trials, court appointed attorneys, and lockup expenses for violent and thieving offenders.

5 posted on 07/14/2010 2:24:46 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Steely Tom

If the police are no longer needed to “protect and serve” disband the “metermaid” force and let the public carry as the Constitution permits.


6 posted on 07/14/2010 2:26:04 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Lorianne

If they’re following the same model as TPD the cops aren’t doing much anyway. We’ve got cameras for traffic violations, traffic accidents that don’t involve major injury aren’t responded to, call in that your place got broken into they mail you a form. Might as well get rid of them.


7 posted on 07/14/2010 2:28:20 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Lorianne
The absolute threshold responsibility of a government at any level is to ensure the safety of its citizens," he said, adding that local police officers are more effective because they "know the town, know the people and know the nuances.

Ah, the old 'public safety' saw, again.

It has been reaffirmed in the courts, time and time again, that the police are not there to ensure anyone's safety. They're job is to uphold the law --period.

Perhaps the real reason why so many municipalities are disbanding their police forces is that they can no longer afford to pay settlements to the next of kin after the cops are done riddling the citizens with bullets.

That, along with the practice of padding their retirement pay was probably the straws that break the camels' backs.

8 posted on 07/14/2010 2:32:49 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Lorianne

from what I’ve seen of my local small town PD, we’d be better off without them.


9 posted on 07/14/2010 2:34:33 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Lorianne
The delegation of enforcement of the law is from the people to the town and city in which they reside. If the cops piss you off fire them but remember you have to fill in the gap, they only reason cops are there is to save you the trouble.
10 posted on 07/14/2010 2:35:03 PM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a poofter)
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To: Lorianne
"know the town, know the people and know the nuances nutcases."

There. Fixed it. I don't want a local police force who "know the nuances".

I want them to know who the nutcases are and keep them away from me and mine.

11 posted on 07/14/2010 2:35:12 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (A fearless person cannot be controlled.)
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To: Lorianne

What if they disbanded the Police department and nobody notice...

Just Union Thugs without jobs.


12 posted on 07/14/2010 2:35:27 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Lorianne

A small city near us eliminated their police dept. to save money. After they did, people started asking “Exactly what are we getting for paying city taxes?” The county was already running the schools. Even the garbage collection was done privately. All they were getting was some extra city regulations and the honor of paying for a mayor, city council, and city bearucrats.

In other words, when the city quit providing extra police protection there was no reason for the city to exist. Eventually the city disbanded (or whatever the right word is for ceasing to be a city.)


13 posted on 07/14/2010 2:39:26 PM PDT by Brookhaven (The next step for the Tea Party--The Conservative Hand--is available at Amazon.com)
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To: a fool in paradise

I agree. Police are unnecessary in most municipalities. The efforts of armed property owners and the local sheriff are plenty to keep order and prevent serious crime.

Ask yourselves: what would change in my neighborhood if the police just went away? Chances are the answer is “not much”. The police do not keep crooks from breaking into your home or business; you do that. The police do not keep crooks from robbing, raping, or mugging you in the street; you do that. The police do not keep crooks from stealing your car or bicycle or busting into your business; you (and private security guards) do that. Are you going to stop doing that just because the Boys in Blue aren’t there anymore? Of course not.

One thing that would change: you’d know that the guy beating you up or putting a bullet into you wasn’t going to use a badge to get away with it.

America got along fine for almost 150 years without professional police. We can do so again.


14 posted on 07/14/2010 2:45:14 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: Lorianne

Oakland laid off 80 officers last night.

On the heels of the riots last Thursday night over the Bart police officer shooting New Year’s Eve of 2008, this lack of fiscal ability to pay the cops is 80 fewer cops trying to keep the peace in Oakland.

One other note:
Written on the brick wall of a locally owned business the night of the riot:

SAY NO TO WORK

SAY YES TO LOOTING

That says it all-—

Thanks, LBJ, all that integration, welfare, Head Start & ‘education’——this is the end result.

The activities of the DOJ & NObama are setting race relations back over 100 years & cramming a double standard of activities at polling places will cause serious payback, IMO.


15 posted on 07/14/2010 2:53:55 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Lorianne

Will the SWAT teams disappear, too?


16 posted on 07/14/2010 2:54:44 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Little Bill

You post gave me a good laugh. Thanks for posting LOL


17 posted on 07/14/2010 2:54:50 PM PDT by packrat35 (Planned Parenthood... killing more blacks than the Ku Klux Klan could have ever dreamed of.)
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To: B-Chan

Paying for schools is mandated, you have to do it. Police, fire, ambulance, etc., are optional so they are the first to go. In a perfect world you could fire 90% of the worthless teachers and keep the police.


18 posted on 07/14/2010 2:56:38 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Lorianne

Allow residents more freedom less fear in keeping and using firearms, when duly needed, and you don’t need no stinkin’ police force. A sheriff will do when you need somebody to document a lawful shootin’


19 posted on 07/14/2010 2:57:06 PM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

“In a perfect world you could fire 90% of the worthless teachers and keep the police.”

What Fer? Unless you have a “thing” for young bucks with shaved heads and muscles they are pretty worthless.


20 posted on 07/14/2010 3:12:03 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Lorianne

My recently former hometown of Mt. Clemens, MI ditched the PD and contracted with Sheriff about 5 years ago. Saved a ton of money and there is better law enforcement now. Most of the officers were absorbed as deputies.


21 posted on 07/14/2010 3:29:22 PM PDT by cyclotic (Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
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To: Brookhaven

Unincorporated??? I believe that is the term when a self-governing municipality cashes in its chips.


22 posted on 07/14/2010 3:42:05 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

“It has been reaffirmed in the courts, time and time again, that the police are not there to ensure anyone’s safety. They’re job is to uphold the law —period.”

It’s part of the programming that the citizens of this country have been subjected to. It has worked well. So has our obedience programming.


23 posted on 07/14/2010 3:56:21 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Paying for schools is mandated, you have to do it. Police, fire, ambulance, etc., are optional so they are the first to go. In a perfect world you could fire 90% of the worthless teachers and keep the police.

Who mandates this? I would just privitize the schools anf cut property taxes by the equivalent amount that used to run the schools.

24 posted on 07/14/2010 4:48:49 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

America could do just fine without public schools and the police.


25 posted on 07/14/2010 4:51:43 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: Lorianne
The last little one horse town I lived in had a police force and no large base for taxes...So it cost a small fortune. I sat down one day and tried to figure out what a police force cost. Cost: at least enough men to cover a 24 hour period, 3 shifts...another few to cover vacation time for the cops. Upkeep on the 5 cars they had, office workers pensions etc....it came to close to one million dollars for a town that had a population of less than 5000. The sheriff's department could do the job for a lot less money....We are not talking about big cities here, but rural towns miles from big cities...The taxes were horrible and the town was so small that if you lived within 1/2 mile of the post office, you had to have a p.o. box as they didn't deliver mail to those close to the post office and it was perfectly legal...
26 posted on 07/14/2010 5:08:47 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: a fool in paradise

In Kaleefornia when a local small town gets rid of its Police force, the Sheriff’s Department takes over. I won’t name the county, but there is one county where at different times, small cities let their Police Departments go. The problem with that was that the Sheriff’s Department didn’t play politics or go along with the local graft in these cities. As soon as was possible, the cities reinstated their Police Departments.


27 posted on 07/14/2010 6:32:49 PM PDT by Enterprise (As a disaster unfolds, a putz putts.)
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To: Brookhaven

A city must incorporate before it can be a city. When the local politicians decide to change it back, the city becomes unincorporated.


28 posted on 07/14/2010 6:35:18 PM PDT by Enterprise (As a disaster unfolds, a putz putts.)
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To: Lorianne
Maywood, Calif., an industrial working-class town of more than 30,000 residents. ~ ... had a $450,000 deficit in a $210 million budget.

$7,000 per person in taxes? $28,000 per average family? There's a crime right there!

29 posted on 07/14/2010 9:34:10 PM PDT by kitchen (One battle rifle for each person, and a spare for each pair.)
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To: Lorianne

Leslie Fish addressed this sort of thing in song. Excuse it’s length but it speaks to the question:

See him stalking day or night
The islands of the bay
Like some veteran tiger
Come to hunt his chosen pray
He’ll never lack a target here
For scum will always rise
And to the man who guards your walls
That comes as no surprise

Chorus
And who will be the guardian
To take your dangers on
Who will guard your sleep at night
When old Black Cal is gone

For one in ten’s a predator
Who treats the rest as prey
So someone’s always needed here
To drive those wolves away
We never left the jungle
We just carted it to town
The leopards took on human form
And follow us around

Chorus

Who will dare deny him there
And say it isn’t so
Must claim there’s no walkway at night
They wouldn’t dare to go
That sovereignty or righteousness
Will keep them safe from harm
And if their own front door is shut
The whole wide world is warm

Chorus

Who will say the job is wrong
And shouldn’t be at all
Must then take up the gun themselves
To guard each door and wall
Must spend their nights in sentry lines
Their days in packing heat
It’s easier to pay the man
Full time to guard your streets

Chorus

Evolution never stops
We always have to choose
The thug who waits to mug you
Is collecting Darwin’s dues
And you can’t drive hyenas off
By kneeling down to pray
So who will raise the weapon then
To keep the beasts at bay

Chorus

Run like deer
Or die like sheep
Or take your dangers on
For you must guard your sleep yourselves
When old Black Cal is gone


30 posted on 07/15/2010 12:27:14 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Lorianne
Can't these police forces just auction off the gazillions of dollars worth of military hardware they've been using to keep Grandma in line?

I could use an APC and some RPGs for the upcoming elk season.

31 posted on 07/15/2010 1:49:43 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: B-Chan

But who will offices and grocery stores hire to stop traffic for them and their customers?


32 posted on 07/15/2010 8:12:28 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: tlb
you must guard your sleep yourselves When old Black Cal is gone

I guard my sleep myself now. It's being turned into prey for Black Cal that's the problem. Black Cal can kill me and get away with it.

33 posted on 07/15/2010 9:45:04 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: dljordan
It’s part of the programming that the citizens of this country have been subjected to. It has worked well. So has our obedience programming.

CORRECT!!!! Don't ever listen to anyone who says the public schools are a failure. They have performed exactly as designed. They have made us into a nation of state worshipping drones. And "conservatives" are just as bad as the left.

34 posted on 07/15/2010 10:05:09 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

“CORRECT!!!! Don’t ever listen to anyone who says the public schools are a failure. They have performed exactly as designed. They have made us into a nation of state worshipping drones. And “conservatives” are just as bad as the left. “

The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist but I’ve seen people here go bonkers when someone posts an article about someone not wanting to recite it.


35 posted on 07/15/2010 5:24:21 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: dljordan
The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist but I’ve seen people here go bonkers when someone posts an article about someone not wanting to recite it.

DING-DING-DING-DING

You have a clue. You are dangerous.

;)

36 posted on 07/15/2010 5:47:00 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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