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Tragic Police Shooting at Las Vegas Costco
Salon ^ | July 12, 2010 | WriteNowMom

Posted on 07/14/2010 6:56:54 PM PDT by cycjec

Spotting a gun out in public can be scary if you have never seen one on a person before. There are more guns out there in the world than many of us realize. If you live in Nevada and pay attention you will see them all the time. Plenty of times I have been in that very same Costco and watched someone lean over to grab something and caught a glimpse of their holster. We can't

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Salon blogger and LV resident dispatches notion that COSTCO staff would never have seen a gun in that store before.
1 posted on 07/14/2010 6:56:58 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: cycjec

Wow a sane Salon blogger


2 posted on 07/14/2010 7:01:46 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: cycjec

I just learned about this today.
the more I hear the more I think that who ever called 911 had a agenda


3 posted on 07/14/2010 7:02:59 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: cycjec

Honestly, in Vegas tons of folks working for the casinos are armed.


4 posted on 07/14/2010 7:03:06 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: cycjec
The difference is that Erik Scott may have “dissed” (did I get the ebonics right?) the costco worker. The worker may have wanted payback by having him arrested to ‘show him’ who was in charge. *My opinion, your mileage may vary.
5 posted on 07/14/2010 7:05:54 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: cycjec

I must say, I hate shopping armed, but i do it all the time.

You have to always be aware when you bend over to get an item on the lower shelf that you dont reveal yourself.

Top shelf too.


6 posted on 07/14/2010 7:06:13 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: mylife

LOL Is that the breaking news? A sane Salon blogger.


7 posted on 07/14/2010 7:08:55 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: swheats

Dunno. Is this in breaking news LoL?


8 posted on 07/14/2010 7:10:10 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: cycjec

He blames it in the heat? Isn’t COSTCO air conditioned?

if the nerves were so frayed, why were there not injuries in the crowd?The shots were well placed.

The second volley of fire as Scott lay writhing on the floor
in his death throws bothers me greatly. It is DEEPLY disturbing.


9 posted on 07/14/2010 7:13:09 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: mylife

It was


10 posted on 07/14/2010 7:13:12 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: cycjec

Sounds like an anti-gun nut from DU would do something stupid like this and laugh about it. Those people are scary.


11 posted on 07/14/2010 7:14:55 PM PDT by therut
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To: cycjec

The story is very sad on so many levels, the writer of the article, seems to make half excuses for what happened;

First, “Spotting a gun out in public can be scary if you have never seen one on a person before”

Some hysterical twit probably was trained at a Government School to be afraid of guns unless a Government agent is in command shooting someone; just like in all the propaganda on TV.

Second, “… I don’t believe that the police nefariously set out to kill an innocent man.”

No, they just ambushed him then gunned him down.

Third, based on what grounds? And no one really wants to face the facts to why, which means it will deliberately happen again.


12 posted on 07/14/2010 7:18:26 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Deaf Smith

Interesting perspective…

“your mileage may vary” could be a good tag line.


13 posted on 07/14/2010 7:21:25 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Deaf Smith

That’s the first explanation I’ve heard that explains all of the elements leading up to the arrival of the police.


14 posted on 07/14/2010 7:24:17 PM PDT by absalom01 (Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: mylife

I reached for something on the top shelf and I could feel air, knew it was visible. Looked to my left and there stood a woman with her jaw dropped.
I gave her the biggest sh~t-eating grin and walked past. Never made that mistake again!

I carry everywhere. Somewhat out of habit, like having the cell phone. They day I don’t will be the day I need it.


15 posted on 07/14/2010 7:25:39 PM PDT by Gun142 (Where Will You Be When You Get Where You're Going? -- Jerry Clower)
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To: Charlespg
the more I hear the more I think that who ever called 911 had a agenda

If I was the family, I'd make SURE that the Costco weasel's name was ALL OVER the Internet...

16 posted on 07/14/2010 7:26:09 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Watching the MSM with Obama is like watching Joslyn James with Tiger Woods)
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To: cycjec

So was Scott destroying merchandise, or was it someone else, or was it a bogus accusation?


17 posted on 07/14/2010 7:28:57 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: Gun142
I carry everywhere. Somewhat out of habit,

Thats the idea. I dont cut the grass without it.

18 posted on 07/14/2010 7:31:49 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: absalom01
We won't know just how hard she carried this out until the 911 tapes are released.

Criminals do this regularly to disarm potential victims.

19 posted on 07/14/2010 7:34:43 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Right Wing Assault
So was Scott destroying merchandise, or was it someone else, or was it a bogus accusation?

He was checking water bottles to see if they fit in his backpack. Apparently at Costco it's an executable offense.

20 posted on 07/14/2010 7:36:23 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Gun142
Looked to my left and there stood a woman with her jaw dropped. I gave her the biggest sh~t-eating grin and walked past.

Beware. It appears as though now the anti-gun nuts may have more than a good chance to have you executed for CCW.

21 posted on 07/14/2010 7:37:20 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Watching the MSM with Obama is like watching Joslyn James with Tiger Woods)
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To: Charlespg
This reminds me of a shooting in Baton Rouge decades ago on halloween. Two kids in costumes, one a Japanese exchange student, were going to a party and went to the wrong house. They knocked on the door and the wife answered, slammed the door, and told her husband: "get your gun". The man went to the door and shot the Japanese kid, who was dressed as John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.

I always wondered why that woman told her husband to get his gun.

The Costco Employee, it seems to me, planted a similar threat fear in the police, by claiming a man was going crazy, destroying merchandise, and brandishing a gun.

22 posted on 07/14/2010 7:38:50 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Deaf Smith

It defiantly feels like a Costco worker freeking to me.

Then the Dummy LEOS went on red alert.

By all accounts this guy was the salt of the earth.
Most CHL types are very easy going.

It is unlikely that this fellow was antagonistic.


23 posted on 07/14/2010 7:39:42 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Apparently at Costco it's an executable offense.

That, and "raising your voice" to an unreasonable minimum wage Costco drone.

24 posted on 07/14/2010 7:39:55 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Watching the MSM with Obama is like watching Joslyn James with Tiger Woods)
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To: mylife
Can you give me a picture of a ‘zippered holster’? Does that mean that no part of the firearm was visible? Just the holster?
25 posted on 07/14/2010 7:42:48 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith

The only thing I can think of is a fanny pack or belly pack.

I do the over sized shirt thing (Im a slob LoL)
I cant bring myself to do the Hawaiian shirt thing.


26 posted on 07/14/2010 7:46:51 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: an amused spectator
That, and "raising your voice" to an unreasonable minimum wage Costco drone.

I can't remember who said his voice was "elevated". Some witnesses said that it was all very low key.

You know if some guy was brandishing a gun, shoppers would have been running. I'm wondering if that's why Costco evacuated the store....to make it look like shoppers were fleeing. It's not a very nice thought but then this whole incident stinks.

27 posted on 07/14/2010 7:49:26 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: mylife

Can’t do the Tom Selleck look?


28 posted on 07/14/2010 7:51:35 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: an amused spectator

The SOB needs to pull a couple of decades in jail along with his cop buddies


29 posted on 07/14/2010 7:53:18 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: mylife

That’s a great idea!
Damn rabbits pop out from trees when you least expect it. Has to better than chasing them with the weed-eater.

Might be a little easier with open carry, though.


30 posted on 07/14/2010 7:56:46 PM PDT by Gun142 (Where Will You Be When You Get Where You're Going? -- Jerry Clower)
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To: Deaf Smith

Nope!

Met Tom In Oahu.
He is a #1 regular guy. Very affable conservative fellow.


31 posted on 07/14/2010 7:57:09 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Gun142

LoL I had 2 lil bunnys pop out of the hedgerow just last week when I was mowing.

Cute lil thangs


32 posted on 07/14/2010 7:58:48 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: an amused spectator

Hopefully there will be a video that will clear up the conflicting claims about whether he drew the gun on the cops. Based on what has been reported so far, it sounds unlikely to me that he did but we’ll see. The other thing I have been wondering about is whether, and this is sheer speculation on my part, the cops yelled “drop the gun” when it was still holstered, which is pretty hard to comply with without getting shot.

I also note that the senior cop is one who previously shot and killed an burglary suspect who the cop claimed was trying to run him over (and the cop was later officially cleared of wrongdoing). I have always been unsympathetic to police officers in such shootings because I don’t accept that shooting the driver is an acceptable or reasonable method of avoiding getting run over. It seems more like something could be claimed subjectively, without much ability to disprove it, in almost any circumstance where a cop shoots a suspect behind the wheel.

Lastly, there have to be tons and tons of people carrying weapons in stores all around America every day. I don’t know why seeing a handgun should cause any normal person to flip out. If this goes the way I am guessing it will, I hope the family ends up owning Costco. And Las Vegas to boot.


33 posted on 07/14/2010 8:03:21 PM PDT by Stingray51
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To: mylife; waterhill
Multiple eye-witness accounts, most in conflict with the LEO account.

Mutiple threads on this if you haven't seen them.

IMHO I believe they gunned him down for no good reason. Jittery rookie cops supplied with bad intel. Just sad and scary. Here is something someone posted yesterday concerning your response if confronted by LEO, slight editing by me.

Seems to me that there is a magical sequence of words necessary to get through it without getting bruised, tazed, and/or ventillated. "I have a gun legally concealed..." is theoretically liable to get you killed.

"Dear Police person, I understand that your union-protected right to be able to clock out at the end of your shift and go home clearly trumps my right to not bleed out here on the sidewalk.

In that spirit, I am obliged and honored to inform you that my shirt currently conceals a manually-operated gizmo that you may or may not personally approve of despite its legal and constitutional status. I shall not touch it, think of touching it, or think of you thinking that I'm thinking of touching it lest I become an impediment to your above mentioned right to clock out and go home.

Please feel free to restrain me in the most embarrassing and demeaning way possible so you can feel safe, warm, and loved while removing the offending object from my waistband. I simply ask that you kindly be aware of the disposition of your index finger while performing this action as my body currently has a sufficient quantity of orifices. Did I mention that this pavement tastes wonderful and your knee between my shoulder blades feels great? Thank you and please accept my pledge of $50 to the PBA."

That ought to do it...hopefully.

34 posted on 07/14/2010 8:04:14 PM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist,........one more time.....)
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To: cycjec
Something really smells about this whole scenario.Nothing adds up.
35 posted on 07/14/2010 8:07:36 PM PDT by taxtruth (Something really stinks In The Federal Government/Mafia and I think it's BO!)
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To: Envisioning

I agree.

This was most likely a case of death by libtard.


36 posted on 07/14/2010 8:08:31 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Envisioning

The best thing about CHL is the cops already know your status.

No freekin surprises.


37 posted on 07/14/2010 8:10:47 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: mylife
Met Tom In Oahu.
He is a #1 regular guy. Very affable conservative fellow.

Cool. I like his westerns.

38 posted on 07/14/2010 8:16:08 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Stingray51; NVDave
Hopefully there will be a video that will clear up the conflicting claims

It's been 5 days and they are still saying that they don't know if there's video. You'll never see it.

Also a NV Freeper says they are a very corrupt PD.

39 posted on 07/14/2010 8:18:26 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Squantos; hiredhand; NFHale
LMAO...squantos, did ya write that ???

forgot to add...'thank you sir, may i have another ?'...

40 posted on 07/14/2010 8:59:50 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Stingray51

NB - former NV freeper. We lived in NV for 14 years; still have lots of friends there. We didn’t live in Las Vegas, but the media market is such that there’s Vegas and then there’s the rest of Nevada, and in the legislature, Vegas swings the biggest stick of all areas of Nevada, even tho they’re the smallest land mass in the state.


41 posted on 07/14/2010 9:14:24 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: mylife

This is another reason I use appendix carry. No worries if bending over.

This whole case smells like trigger happy cops going off a BS tip from some Costco libtard.

I work a block away from where this happened. After reading about Scott’s background I don’t believe for a second he pulled his pistol.


42 posted on 07/14/2010 9:15:01 PM PDT by BootsOfEscaping
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To: BootsOfEscaping

I agree. This guy was a 4.0 citizen.


43 posted on 07/14/2010 9:20:39 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: sportutegrl
"The man went to the door and shot the Japanese kid, who was dressed as John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever."

Is it possible the kid was dressed as Tony Montana? Both wore white suits. Except Tony had a "Little Friend".

44 posted on 07/14/2010 9:23:51 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Envisioning

In point of fact, ANY time you have contact with a LEO in the state of Nevada and you have a CCW, you must present your CCW card to the LEO at any time he asks you for ID.

It doesn’t matter whether you’re carrying at the time.

BTW — here’s some more LVMPD tales from this year and CCW holders in Vegas:

http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/handcuffed-disarmed-for-obeying-the-law-81088092.html

It mirrors pretty much what you wrote above.

Except it isn’t satire or a spoof.


45 posted on 07/14/2010 9:25:04 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: cycjec

“Spotting a gun out in public can be scary if you have never seen one on a person before.”

Oh brother.


46 posted on 07/14/2010 9:26:57 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: NVDave

Seems they didnt ask for a card.

Seems they just shot him down.


47 posted on 07/14/2010 9:27:57 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: NVDave

AFU


48 posted on 07/14/2010 9:33:55 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: cycjec

After reading the account of this incident I hope there is a serious investigation into the police actions. Something smells very bad on this and if it turns out that way, there should be some major jail time.


49 posted on 07/14/2010 9:36:27 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: NVDave
That is some scary chit for sure.

I have experienced one stop here in my hometown, which doesn't involve Metro (get the hell out of there man!), and the officer was totally professional.

As soon as he saw my permit though, he did (non-verbally) express disappointment that it would not be a felony stop.

I was on my way in about a minute flat.

50 posted on 07/14/2010 9:38:34 PM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist,........one more time.....)
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