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ACLU petitions court to get man's guns returned from Broward Sheriff's Office
South Florida Sun Sentinel ^ | July 15, 2010 | Linda Trischitta

Posted on 07/15/2010 2:21:06 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

The American Civil Liberties Union is petitioning a court to help an 85-year-old man get his guns back from the Broward Sheriff's Office.

Yes, you read that right.

In what may be the first time, the ACLU says, it is advocating on behalf of a gun owner to get his weapons back, Pompano Beach retiree Robert Weinstein. And they're doing so free of charge.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aclu; banglist; guns; weinstein
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1 posted on 07/15/2010 2:21:07 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

Rule of Acquisition 76: Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.


2 posted on 07/15/2010 2:23:21 PM PDT by jmcenanly
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To: ConservativeStatement

WOW...

ACLU doing the BLIND SQUIRREL DANCE!!!


3 posted on 07/15/2010 2:23:41 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (The one thing we learn from history is .. People REFUSE to Learn from History!!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Luckily he isn’t too attached to them as the guns are probably gone.


4 posted on 07/15/2010 2:24:07 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

This must be a local decision.


5 posted on 07/15/2010 2:30:51 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Isn't enough always enough?)
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To: ConservativeStatement
I'm confused, stuttering, stumbling........ My mouth is numb and I can't think of any words.........

The ACLU is standing up for someones “Constitutional Rights?” How novel.

6 posted on 07/15/2010 2:31:16 PM PDT by Red6 (IMHO)
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To: ConservativeStatement
I can see three possibilities here...

1. Due to Heller and McDonald the ACLU no longer has any cover to pretend the 2nd Ammendment doesn't exist, and will now defend it in court.

2. This is a deliberate attempt by the organization hierarchy to confuse people and appear even-handed to increase membership.

3. This is the action of a local chapter that is out of step with the national leadership.

Since the simplest answer is usually correct, I'll take door number three

7 posted on 07/15/2010 2:33:07 PM PDT by Hugin (Remember the first rule of gunfighting...have a gun..-- Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: ConservativeStatement
July 14, 2010, 11:32 am

Guns in Frail Hands

She is a 90-year-old widow with mild Alzheimer’s disease, and her son is begging her, for safety’s sake, to give up something she considers essential to her independence and sense of control.

“You can’t take it away from me,” she told him recently. “It’s all I’ve got.”

Eliandric

This may sound like a classic confrontation with an elderly mother who won’t give up her car. But it’s in fact about a loaded .38-caliber handgun that she keeps wrapped in a scarf in her top dresser drawer in a Southern California retirement community.

She says she needs it for protection. Her son is afraid she will get angry or confused and shoot someone — possibly him. “I’d rather eat barbed wire than deal with this,” said her son, Chuck, who asked that his last name not be used to avoid drawing the retirement community into his dispute with his mother.

Like cars, guns symbolize independence and individualism to many Americans. In states where gun ownership is a way of life, the elderly population is as likely as anyone to be armed and, in the view of many family members and professionals who care for them, possibly dangerous.

With the 85-and-older population growing faster than any group in the country, gun ownership among the very old is increasingly a concern of adult children, who worry that elderly parents will commit suicide or shoot someone they mistake for an intruder.

Geriatric care managers in several Western states said they regularly work with families struggling to persuade aging parents with dementia to surrender guns.

“We are a big gun-rights state and a lot of older people do have guns, and some of them have dementia,” said Dawn Savattone, a geriatric care manager in Phoenix who said she gets about one case a month involving guns. She is now working with a family of a gun-owner in her early 80s with paranoia.
“They’re afraid to go to the house to help her,” she said of the woman’s children.

More than a quarter of people ages 65 and older own guns, according to the National Firearms Survey of 2004.

The Veterans Health Administration launched a public awareness campaign about gun access by dementia patients after an 83-year-old veteran pulled a pistol from his pocket in August 2000 and shot a doctor in a V.A. hospital emergency room in Salisbury, N.C.

The agency found in 2004 that 40 percent of veterans with mild to moderate dementia had a gun in their homes. The V.H.A. also issued guidelines for doctors to use to help family members keep guns away from relatives with dementia or mental illness.

Families find little help in the law when trying to pry guns away from impaired family members. Only 11 states require a license to buy a gun — Iowa is the one exception west of the Mississippi — so it is difficult to impose restrictions, as states do for driving, based on age or impairment in places where gun ownership is highest. The Supreme Court’s ruling last month striking down Chicago’s handgun ban as unconstitutional — and a similar 2008 ruling involving the District of Columbia — are likely to chill state and local efforts to restrict gun ownership.

The federal Brady Act bars gun sales to anyone adjudicated mentally “defective,” a legal process few children want to put parents through. Even if they did, most older people bought their guns years ago, and Dennis Henigan, a vice president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said there is no “systematic way for the authorities to find out if they have guns.”

Many home health agencies have stepped into this vacuum, requiring elderly people to remove guns from their homes as a condition of sending aides to assist them. Some enforce the policy only against those with dementia.

“If there’s someone mentally impaired, we don’t want rifles, we don’t want handguns anywhere in the residence,” said Don Irish, who heads Family Home Care Inc., with offices in Arizona and California. “We’re not going to put any of our workers in harm’s way,” he said.

While there are few reports of elderly gun owners shooting relatives or caregivers, older white males have the highest suicide rate in the country, and 71 percent of the time they use a gun, according to a 2003 study in the American Journal of Geriatric Psychiatry.

Another study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found 11 cases of caregivers shooting and killing victims 80 and older from 2003 to 2007. The most common scenario was a husband killing a wife.

In response to a reporter’s inquiry, the National Rifle Association forwarded a statement regarding gun ownership and the frail elderly: “Our NRA basic courses focus on educating all gun owners regardless of age. They also teach gun owners the importance of storing guns so they are never accessible to untrained or unauthorized individuals.”

Families of frail, elderly gun owners wind up doing a lot of improvising. Chuck in Southern California says he has thought of removing the bullets from his mother’s gun while she is out. Ms. Savattone, the Phoenix care manager, said some of her clients tried taking their parents’ guns on the sly, but the parents called the police and reported that their children stole their guns.

In many cases, care managers say, the guns have deeply sentimental meanings to elderly owners.

A Billings, Mont., widow with early Alzheimer’s treasured her guns as reminders of her late husband, who carried them when tending sheep and shooting predators on a ranch they left long ago, recalled care manager Seth Blades.

In the end, the family used a home care agency’s prohibition on guns as leverage. “They gave her an ultimatum: either give it up or you go into a facility that doesn’t let you have a gun,” Mr. Blades said.

She handed over the gun.


8 posted on 07/15/2010 2:39:08 PM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea.")
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To: ConservativeStatement

Has he ever contributed to the ACLU? Something doesn’t smell right here.


9 posted on 07/15/2010 2:41:25 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Don’t be fooled;in wrestling,this is known as a “swerve.”


10 posted on 07/15/2010 2:46:51 PM PDT by indydcinnc (...typical gun toting,God-fearing white person)
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To: ConservativeStatement

There must be a nefarious reason behind it.

1. The guy is a communist.

2. the guy is a domestic terrorist.

3. The guy is a muslim.

4. The guy is a Black Panther (or was).

5. The ACLU has a beef against this sheriff/department.

6. The ACLU is doing a camoflage move.

7. The guy voted for Obama.

8. The guy is an ACLU card carrying member.


11 posted on 07/15/2010 2:50:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: ThomasThomas

This is a PR move by the ACLU. They take cases like this on rare occasions to deflect criticism by the Right, as with their defense of the Nazis in the Skokie, IL debacle (1978), and the Vidor, TX Klan chapter (1993).


12 posted on 07/15/2010 2:51:06 PM PDT by Spirochete (Just say NO to RINOs)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I just checked outside and Hell hasn’t frozen over. Somethings wrong.


13 posted on 07/15/2010 2:53:20 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate if possible.)
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To: myboyz; 2nd amendment mama

ping! Interesting case.............


14 posted on 07/15/2010 2:53:41 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Hugin

There’s more to this than meets the eye! From the link; “BLOW HIS HEAD OFF!”

“Weinstein, a retired bar and restaurant owner from Hartford, Conn., had his weapons seized in February after Dana, his wife of 61 years, died. He told the Broward Medical Examiner’s Office that he wanted to “blow his head off,” according to a sheriff deputy’s report.

He said he was upset because three weeks after Mrs. Weinstein died, her ashes still hadn’t shown up at the funeral home that was to bury them.

Weinstein’s call to the medical examiner prompted a visit from a sheriff’s deputy, who took the widower to a hospital for evaluation.

Weinstein said he agreed to surrender his Colt semi-automatic .25 caliber pistol and his Wesson .357 revolver, along with ammunition and holsters, for safekeeping after authorities insisted on it.”

I don’t trust the aclu’s motives at all!


15 posted on 07/15/2010 3:00:53 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

What’s the punchline?

This is a joke right?

What’s the catch?

The guy is an African-American homosexual who was the victim of a hate crime...?

It’s gotta be SOMETHING.....


16 posted on 07/15/2010 3:07:26 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: Red6
The ACLU is standing up for someones “Constitutional Rights?” How novel.

Next we will hear that Morris Dees has signed on as part of this mans team of lawyers.

17 posted on 07/15/2010 3:53:23 PM PDT by TYVets
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To: A Strict Constructionist
I just checked outside and Hell hasn’t frozen over. Somethings wrong.

Did you move?

18 posted on 07/15/2010 3:53:26 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Regardless of what they have done in the past, the ACLU is doing the right thing in this case.


19 posted on 07/15/2010 6:28:42 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: Hugin

I think number one might be more in line with what’s happened here. The New York office must be frothing at the mouth. I called them years ago to ask about a gun case. The person on the phone said the ACLU did not believe that the second amendment protected an individual right. Now it seems they can’t use that one anymore.

The repercussions of McDonald just got interesting.


20 posted on 07/15/2010 8:10:37 PM PDT by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!!!)
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