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Father wants Las Vegas police held accountable in son's death
Las Vegas Review ^ | Jul. 16, 2010 | By LAWRENCE MOWER

Posted on 07/16/2010 6:06:14 AM PDT by redreno

A few years ago, when Erik Scott found himself unemployed in the midst of Las Vegas' deepest recession, his father worried about where his son would find work.

But Erik just laughed. He never worried. The West Point graduate told his father he would get a haircut, buy a suit and look for a new job. "We always laughed about the Erik Scott luck," his father, Bill Scott, said Thursday. "It just always seemed to go his way until July 10, 2010. It went totally against him."

Bill Scott, a former Air Force colonel, and a journalist and author, said his son's death at the hands of three Las Vegas police officers in front of a Costco store Saturday would give voice to other citizens killed by police.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; costco; donutwatch; erikscott; nevada
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1 posted on 07/16/2010 6:06:15 AM PDT by redreno
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To: redreno

COPS = youth, badge, ego, gun.

Bad combination.


2 posted on 07/16/2010 6:07:53 AM PDT by edcoil (OK, so what's the speed of dark?)
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To: redreno

I take it the video hasn’t been released yet.

Telling...


3 posted on 07/16/2010 6:09:18 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: edcoil

“COPS = youth, badge, ego, gun.”

You forgot no consequences.


4 posted on 07/16/2010 6:09:48 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: redreno

This is so damn sad.

Note to self and others with CCWs, new rules. Keep your hands up, and scream that you do have a weapon. With the state of the country today, someone might shoot you if you make the any other move than raised hands.

I have kids and would rather not be dead.


5 posted on 07/16/2010 6:12:08 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: redreno

This is why Barney Fife has only one bullet...........in his shirt pocket..............


6 posted on 07/16/2010 6:13:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him on speed dial...............)
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To: redreno
Father wants Las Vegas police held accountable in son's death

I don't blame him. IMHO, he should grab Costco by the short hairs and drag THEM along to.

From reading about his background, and lacking any HARD evidence from 'authorities', I just don't believe the story that Erik Scott would act in a threatening manner.

What a lot of people don't take into account is that cops rush on a scene and shout conflicting orders.

It confuses the Hell out of a law abiding person.

7 posted on 07/16/2010 6:15:14 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Dear GOP - "We Suck Less" is ~NOT~ a campaign platform)
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To: netmilsmom
The problem would seem that this won't work in Las Vegas. It's been tried according to other stories.

What you would need to do is get the drop on the cops first and just put 'em away or something.

I really don't know what you do when the cops start making war on the public, but Fur Shur we are NOT visiting Nevada anytime soon ~ and probably not ever.

8 posted on 07/16/2010 6:16:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: redreno

Oakland transit cop shoots unarmed, handcuffed man in the back and gets off with manslaughter. I doubt that the police in this case will suffer even that level of punshment. The police will say he was armed, he was threatening them, it was justified.


9 posted on 07/16/2010 6:18:39 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: redreno

I hope the facts come out

Unfortunately there are disturbing hints this guy may have been a little “off” in some way and not thinking straight ... multiple marriages, job instability... and does the Army usually release West Point graduates from their obligation 5-6 years early?


10 posted on 07/16/2010 6:20:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: muawiyah

It may indeed be a department problem:

“There are a lot of people who have been killed in Las Vegas, a lot of them by the police,” he said. “They didn’t have a voice. This time, quote me: they killed the wrong guy.”

In this case, there is flat contradiction between police and civilian testimony.

Houston was like this about 30 years ago, but it seems to have been cleaned up.


11 posted on 07/16/2010 6:20:41 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (The bureaucrat is the natural enemy of liberty.)
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To: redreno

This sounds like a situation that got out of control way too fast. There seems to be a lot of conflicting stories but bottom line this young man went to Costco to shop not shoot anyone and it sounded like the store over reacted.......It would have been smarter if the store manager had calmly approached this man and ask that he return to his car and lock his gun in the car.

My first thought this young man had a lot of problems and he was struggling to get his life together. This is a sad situation.

I also am wondering if there was sign posted stating no guns in the store.....I can’t tell you how often I have been to Costco carrying my gun in my purse.....


12 posted on 07/16/2010 6:22:52 AM PDT by Kimmers (Illegal immigration is destroying America, look what it did to the White House)
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To: silverleaf
Yeah. You earn service credit time while attending the school.

Don't read too much into it.

13 posted on 07/16/2010 6:23:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MamaTexan
What a lot of people don't take into account is that cops rush on a scene and shout conflicting orders.

Watching the TV show 'Cops', I can attest to that.

Often when making a felon stop one cop is shouting "Go to your knees", another is shouting "Get on the ground", and so on.
Or, "Hands in the air", "Hands on your head".

Happens all the time.

14 posted on 07/16/2010 6:27:06 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: silverleaf

The ADSO (active duty service obligations) for West Pointers is 5 years.


15 posted on 07/16/2010 6:27:27 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: netmilsmom
Note to self and others with CCWs, new rules. Keep your hands up, and scream that you do have a weapon. With the state of the country today, someone might shoot you if you make the any other move than raised hands.

I would modify that a little to saying loudly "I am licensed to carry a concealed firearm". Yelling out "I've got a gun" might not be a good thing.

I do agree with keeping your hands up and visibly empty REGARDLESS of any commands by any officers is the best policy, ESPECIALLY when you have multiple officers giving conflicting commands. Just freeze and display empty raised hands. If you have a cell phone in your hands, or ANYTHING that may be mistaken for a weapon, just let it drop to the floor. If it breaks, replacing it is cheaper than your life.

16 posted on 07/16/2010 6:28:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: silverleaf

This guy wasn’t “off” at all. Las Vegas cops routinely shoot people and get away with it. They are known to be corrupt. You need to read the earlier articles.


17 posted on 07/16/2010 6:28:53 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Career criminals, like the cops usually would be dealing with, “kow the drill.” They’ve been in trouble with the law enough they know what to do if so confronted as if second nature. But law abiding citizens don’t automatically know what posture to assume. And it would fly all over me, if I am breaking no law and a cop not only wants to arrest me, but he wants me “Down on the ground—now!!”


18 posted on 07/16/2010 6:30:32 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: Vinnie
Often when making a felon stop one cop is shouting "Go to your knees", another is shouting "Get on the ground", and so on. Or, "Hands in the air", "Hands on your head".

it should be a part of police training that the senior officer does all the talking, and the other cops shut up.

19 posted on 07/16/2010 6:30:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Kimmers

He wasn’t struggling. He was the top salesman for his company. You need to read earlier articles.


20 posted on 07/16/2010 6:32:39 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Vinnie
Happens all the time.

Yep. Happened to hubby in real life. Driving home one night in his tinkermobile, it had the bad timing to backfire as he was passed by a cop.

The cop immediately called his buddies, saying he had been shot at [?], and about half a dozen of them pulled hubby over.

He's sitting in the truck with one cop yelling "Keep your hand where we can see them!" while another screams "Get out of the truck!". Poor hubby doesn't know what the Hell to do, because he can't do both at the same time.......

Thankfully, it worked itself out, but only AFTER he had been drug out of the truck and thrown to the ground.

21 posted on 07/16/2010 6:34:10 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Dear GOP - "We Suck Less" is ~NOT~ a campaign platform)
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To: RandallFlagg

There seems to be a problem with it.


22 posted on 07/16/2010 6:34:50 AM PDT by taxtruth (Something really stinks In The Federal Government/Mafia and I think it's BO!)
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To: redreno

My guess: A black cop shot him.
The rules have changed.

23 posted on 07/16/2010 6:35:21 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: RandallFlagg

They’ve checked for video evidence, but every camera in the store was mysteriously malfunctioning at the time. So we will just have to accept the Cosco employee’s sworn testimony. < / sarcasm >


24 posted on 07/16/2010 6:35:28 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman; taxtruth

“Creative editing.”


25 posted on 07/16/2010 6:37:18 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: redreno

This story is starting to smell.


26 posted on 07/16/2010 6:41:05 AM PDT by taxtruth (Something really stinks In The Federal Government/Mafia and I think it's BO!)
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To: Vigilanteman
"...mysteriously malfunctioning at the time..."

Signals from the mother ship disabled the video cameras.

27 posted on 07/16/2010 6:43:05 AM PDT by verity (Obama, the bullshit and rhetoric President)
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To: Vigilanteman

That Costco employee incited a murder, simply because the citizen didn’t follow their instructions to the letter. The cops are guilty of murder and the Costco employee is an accessory.


28 posted on 07/16/2010 6:48:24 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: PapaBear3625

>>I would modify that a little to saying loudly “I am licensed to carry a concealed firearm”. Yelling out “I’ve got a gun” might not be a good thing.<<

Better than mine. Thanks!


29 posted on 07/16/2010 6:51:13 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: PapaBear3625

TRUE DAT, We were told when dealing with an LEO, if they ask for your wepon, reply do you want me to hand it to you or do you want to take it from me, never assume anything.


30 posted on 07/16/2010 6:52:47 AM PDT by zboa
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To: Non-Sequitur

>>Oakland transit cop shoots unarmed, handcuffed man in the back and gets off with manslaughter<<

He was not cuffed. They were attempting to cuff him.
The taser that they have looks and feels like a gun.

It was a mistake. It was not premeditated and that is why the cop got manslaughter.

Read through the FR threads and you will see that this is true.


31 posted on 07/16/2010 6:53:58 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: driftdiver

ack


32 posted on 07/16/2010 6:55:13 AM PDT by edcoil (OK, so what's the speed of dark?)
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To: Vigilanteman

I’ve read that many of the gray camera globes in those stores do not have a camera in them. cameras are expensive


33 posted on 07/16/2010 7:03:46 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Republic of Texas

I agree that the employee elevated the situation, however, that does not excuse the behavior of the cops. They are supposed to be trained to respond to situations where the caller is most likely hysterical.

If there are any cops or ex cops out there that will come forward and say that proper police procedure for a disturbance call is to have weapons drawn on innocent people? The FACT is, that Erik NEVER had the gun in his hands inside the store or outside. There was no reason to lay in wait with weapons drawn. It seems to me, that the police arrived and never even made an attempt to assess the situation and allowed this supposed “kind of” beserk man to mingle amongst the rest of the customers.


34 posted on 07/16/2010 7:06:13 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: driftdiver

Yeah, they are. I picked up one for $13 at Big Lots which I’m going to install on my front porch.


35 posted on 07/16/2010 7:07:28 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Bon mots

I’ve wondered about the Costco female employee who is responsible for the police being involved. From the multiple accounts I’ve read , she at the very least seems to have over reacted, and *may* have lied (or at least wildly exaggerated) about the murdered man “destroying merchandise” , possibly because she feared the police would be angry at her if they thought she’d called them to the store for no real reason. Is it possible her motives included racial or ethnic dislike? If the case comes to court and she is called to testify, we’ll know then...Maybe.


36 posted on 07/16/2010 7:12:12 AM PDT by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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To: kaylar

Maybe it was ethnically/racially based, but without specific information to that end I’d presume that it’s more likely that she was virulently anti-gun and exaggerated the situation to the cops to get them to respond.


37 posted on 07/16/2010 7:25:08 AM PDT by RonF
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To: netmilsmom
Read through the FR threads and you will see that this is true.

I've watched the video of the incident and it doesn't look like he was struggling in that, certainly not enough to justify shooting him. And if the cops in Oakland can't tell the difference between a pistol or a taser then these guys in Las Vegas sure look like genius's by comparison. Let 'em off and give them the key to the city.

38 posted on 07/16/2010 7:26:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: RonF

Possibly virulently anti male, too, given the education standards at too many colleges these days. :-( It will be interesting to see just *what* comes out if the case-and the surveillance tape-makes it to court. But that’s a big if-I expect a quiet out of court settlement, and the blogosphere can speculate on what *really* happened till the end of days. :-( Let us hope that, even if the public never gets any answers, then the police department will take a hard look at what happened and take steps to prevent future, avoidable tragedies.


39 posted on 07/16/2010 7:30:29 AM PDT by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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To: razorbak
Career criminals, like the cops usually would be dealing with, “kow the drill.” They’ve been in trouble with the law enough they know what to do if so confronted as if second nature. But law abiding citizens don’t automatically know what posture to assume. And it would fly all over me, if I am breaking no law and a cop not only wants to arrest me, but he wants me “Down on the ground—now!!”

I agree. My first reaction would be "What the...?" Then I'd try to explain or show that I wasn't a threat. And I'd probably get blown away like the victim in this case was. None of the witnesses have given any indication that he was beligerent or argumentative or threatening in any way. This appears to be a very bad and ultimately tragic performance by the police. I don't think that Gill Grissom and his team from CSI will be able to pull this one out of the fire.

40 posted on 07/16/2010 7:30:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Vigilanteman

“Yeah, they are. I picked up one for $13 at Big Lots which I’m going to install on my front porch.”

Well the ones they use in business and actually expect to work are generally $100 to $1,000 each. The DVR systems used to managed and track all the cameras get quite pricey as well. Then there’s running cable and sometimes power through the big stores.

But hey, big lots has it all covered.


41 posted on 07/16/2010 7:39:42 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; edcoil
You forgot no consequences.

That appears to be the case in Clark County. From the article:

...Clark County's coroner inquest process should be reformed...only once in its 34-year history has an inquest jury not found an officer's actions justified or excusable.

42 posted on 07/16/2010 7:47:07 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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To: silverleaf
and does the Army usually release West Point graduates from their obligation 5-6 years early?

Back in the mid-90's during the drawdown? Yes.

43 posted on 07/16/2010 7:50:38 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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To: Bon mots

Your “guess” is based on nothing. There’s a word for that.


44 posted on 07/16/2010 7:54:50 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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To: RonF

Someone needs to find out the identity of the Costco employee... So we can “make them famous”.


45 posted on 07/16/2010 8:00:14 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (The shattered skulls of tyrants should be used for traction under the boots of justice. T. Nugent)
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To: silverleaf

Valid point about his time served, caught my eye too. My son graduated from WP in “06” has served 4 yrs and has 4 more to go because he went to flight school.. I have heard of no one getting out early
But, early out, alone doesn’t prove erratic behavior.


46 posted on 07/16/2010 8:06:52 AM PDT by badad (Oh how long will suffer this fool O.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair
True story: ROTC paid for part of my college and I had an obligation to serve in the late 1970's. Guess who was president then?

Most of the people in our class were offered a release if we'd just sign a paper. Those who remained would have to compete for a limited number of available positions. Considering the a**hat in charge, most of us opted to sign the paper.

This same procedure was repeated with people on active duty. Remember what happened to Forrest Gumpf?

47 posted on 07/16/2010 8:28:06 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: driftdiver
Well, in all fairness, it is going to take about $60 of cable and software to integrate into my present system. So I'm probably spending close to the $100 low end as well.

But since I'm a mere citizen with an unlimited supply of money and Cosco is a big corporation who has to show a profit, I'll have to agree that spending $100 or more for a security camera is just too expensive when you can just call in the cops to shoot an inconvenient customer. After all, he was only a cracker. < / sarcasm >

48 posted on 07/16/2010 8:32:12 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: badad
I have heard of no one getting out early

But this was in the mid-90's. Lots of folks were getting early outs. In the USAF, we had folks finish pilot training and then get out immediately.

49 posted on 07/16/2010 10:18:16 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thank you for the clarification......


50 posted on 07/16/2010 11:11:14 AM PDT by Kimmers (Illegal immigration is destroying America, look what it did to the White House)
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