Skip to comments.Father wants Las Vegas police held accountable in son's death
Posted on 07/16/2010 6:06:14 AM PDT by redreno
A few years ago, when Erik Scott found himself unemployed in the midst of Las Vegas' deepest recession, his father worried about where his son would find work.
But Erik just laughed. He never worried. The West Point graduate told his father he would get a haircut, buy a suit and look for a new job. "We always laughed about the Erik Scott luck," his father, Bill Scott, said Thursday. "It just always seemed to go his way until July 10, 2010. It went totally against him."
Bill Scott, a former Air Force colonel, and a journalist and author, said his son's death at the hands of three Las Vegas police officers in front of a Costco store Saturday would give voice to other citizens killed by police.
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COPS = youth, badge, ego, gun.
I take it the video hasn’t been released yet.
“COPS = youth, badge, ego, gun.”
You forgot no consequences.
This is so damn sad.
Note to self and others with CCWs, new rules. Keep your hands up, and scream that you do have a weapon. With the state of the country today, someone might shoot you if you make the any other move than raised hands.
I have kids and would rather not be dead.
This is why Barney Fife has only one bullet...........in his shirt pocket..............
I don't blame him. IMHO, he should grab Costco by the short hairs and drag THEM along to.
From reading about his background, and lacking any HARD evidence from 'authorities', I just don't believe the story that Erik Scott would act in a threatening manner.
What a lot of people don't take into account is that cops rush on a scene and shout conflicting orders.
It confuses the Hell out of a law abiding person.
What you would need to do is get the drop on the cops first and just put 'em away or something.
I really don't know what you do when the cops start making war on the public, but Fur Shur we are NOT visiting Nevada anytime soon ~ and probably not ever.
Oakland transit cop shoots unarmed, handcuffed man in the back and gets off with manslaughter. I doubt that the police in this case will suffer even that level of punshment. The police will say he was armed, he was threatening them, it was justified.
I hope the facts come out
Unfortunately there are disturbing hints this guy may have been a little “off” in some way and not thinking straight ... multiple marriages, job instability... and does the Army usually release West Point graduates from their obligation 5-6 years early?
It may indeed be a department problem:
“There are a lot of people who have been killed in Las Vegas, a lot of them by the police,” he said. “They didn’t have a voice. This time, quote me: they killed the wrong guy.”
In this case, there is flat contradiction between police and civilian testimony.
Houston was like this about 30 years ago, but it seems to have been cleaned up.
This sounds like a situation that got out of control way too fast. There seems to be a lot of conflicting stories but bottom line this young man went to Costco to shop not shoot anyone and it sounded like the store over reacted.......It would have been smarter if the store manager had calmly approached this man and ask that he return to his car and lock his gun in the car.
My first thought this young man had a lot of problems and he was struggling to get his life together. This is a sad situation.
I also am wondering if there was sign posted stating no guns in the store.....I can’t tell you how often I have been to Costco carrying my gun in my purse.....
Don't read too much into it.
Watching the TV show 'Cops', I can attest to that.
Often when making a felon stop one cop is shouting "Go to your knees", another is shouting "Get on the ground", and so on.
Or, "Hands in the air", "Hands on your head".
Happens all the time.
The ADSO (active duty service obligations) for West Pointers is 5 years.
I would modify that a little to saying loudly "I am licensed to carry a concealed firearm". Yelling out "I've got a gun" might not be a good thing.
I do agree with keeping your hands up and visibly empty REGARDLESS of any commands by any officers is the best policy, ESPECIALLY when you have multiple officers giving conflicting commands. Just freeze and display empty raised hands. If you have a cell phone in your hands, or ANYTHING that may be mistaken for a weapon, just let it drop to the floor. If it breaks, replacing it is cheaper than your life.
This guy wasn’t “off” at all. Las Vegas cops routinely shoot people and get away with it. They are known to be corrupt. You need to read the earlier articles.
Career criminals, like the cops usually would be dealing with, “kow the drill.” They’ve been in trouble with the law enough they know what to do if so confronted as if second nature. But law abiding citizens don’t automatically know what posture to assume. And it would fly all over me, if I am breaking no law and a cop not only wants to arrest me, but he wants me “Down on the ground—now!!”
it should be a part of police training that the senior officer does all the talking, and the other cops shut up.
He wasn’t struggling. He was the top salesman for his company. You need to read earlier articles.
Yep. Happened to hubby in real life. Driving home one night in his tinkermobile, it had the bad timing to backfire as he was passed by a cop.
The cop immediately called his buddies, saying he had been shot at [?], and about half a dozen of them pulled hubby over.
He's sitting in the truck with one cop yelling "Keep your hand where we can see them!" while another screams "Get out of the truck!". Poor hubby doesn't know what the Hell to do, because he can't do both at the same time.......
Thankfully, it worked itself out, but only AFTER he had been drug out of the truck and thrown to the ground.
There seems to be a problem with it.
My guess: A black cop shot him.
The rules have changed.
They’ve checked for video evidence, but every camera in the store was mysteriously malfunctioning at the time. So we will just have to accept the Cosco employee’s sworn testimony. < / sarcasm >
This story is starting to smell.
Signals from the mother ship disabled the video cameras.
That Costco employee incited a murder, simply because the citizen didn’t follow their instructions to the letter. The cops are guilty of murder and the Costco employee is an accessory.
>>I would modify that a little to saying loudly “I am licensed to carry a concealed firearm”. Yelling out “I’ve got a gun” might not be a good thing.<<
Better than mine. Thanks!
TRUE DAT, We were told when dealing with an LEO, if they ask for your wepon, reply do you want me to hand it to you or do you want to take it from me, never assume anything.
>>Oakland transit cop shoots unarmed, handcuffed man in the back and gets off with manslaughter<<
He was not cuffed. They were attempting to cuff him.
The taser that they have looks and feels like a gun.
It was a mistake. It was not premeditated and that is why the cop got manslaughter.
Read through the FR threads and you will see that this is true.
I’ve read that many of the gray camera globes in those stores do not have a camera in them. cameras are expensive
I agree that the employee elevated the situation, however, that does not excuse the behavior of the cops. They are supposed to be trained to respond to situations where the caller is most likely hysterical.
If there are any cops or ex cops out there that will come forward and say that proper police procedure for a disturbance call is to have weapons drawn on innocent people? The FACT is, that Erik NEVER had the gun in his hands inside the store or outside. There was no reason to lay in wait with weapons drawn. It seems to me, that the police arrived and never even made an attempt to assess the situation and allowed this supposed “kind of” beserk man to mingle amongst the rest of the customers.
Yeah, they are. I picked up one for $13 at Big Lots which I’m going to install on my front porch.
I’ve wondered about the Costco female employee who is responsible for the police being involved. From the multiple accounts I’ve read , she at the very least seems to have over reacted, and *may* have lied (or at least wildly exaggerated) about the murdered man “destroying merchandise” , possibly because she feared the police would be angry at her if they thought she’d called them to the store for no real reason. Is it possible her motives included racial or ethnic dislike? If the case comes to court and she is called to testify, we’ll know then...Maybe.
Maybe it was ethnically/racially based, but without specific information to that end I’d presume that it’s more likely that she was virulently anti-gun and exaggerated the situation to the cops to get them to respond.
I've watched the video of the incident and it doesn't look like he was struggling in that, certainly not enough to justify shooting him. And if the cops in Oakland can't tell the difference between a pistol or a taser then these guys in Las Vegas sure look like genius's by comparison. Let 'em off and give them the key to the city.
Possibly virulently anti male, too, given the education standards at too many colleges these days. :-( It will be interesting to see just *what* comes out if the case-and the surveillance tape-makes it to court. But that’s a big if-I expect a quiet out of court settlement, and the blogosphere can speculate on what *really* happened till the end of days. :-( Let us hope that, even if the public never gets any answers, then the police department will take a hard look at what happened and take steps to prevent future, avoidable tragedies.
I agree. My first reaction would be "What the...?" Then I'd try to explain or show that I wasn't a threat. And I'd probably get blown away like the victim in this case was. None of the witnesses have given any indication that he was beligerent or argumentative or threatening in any way. This appears to be a very bad and ultimately tragic performance by the police. I don't think that Gill Grissom and his team from CSI will be able to pull this one out of the fire.
“Yeah, they are. I picked up one for $13 at Big Lots which Im going to install on my front porch.”
Well the ones they use in business and actually expect to work are generally $100 to $1,000 each. The DVR systems used to managed and track all the cameras get quite pricey as well. Then there’s running cable and sometimes power through the big stores.
But hey, big lots has it all covered.
That appears to be the case in Clark County. From the article:
...Clark County's coroner inquest process should be reformed...only once in its 34-year history has an inquest jury not found an officer's actions justified or excusable.
Back in the mid-90's during the drawdown? Yes.
Your “guess” is based on nothing. There’s a word for that.
Someone needs to find out the identity of the Costco employee... So we can “make them famous”.
Valid point about his time served, caught my eye too. My son graduated from WP in “06” has served 4 yrs and has 4 more to go because he went to flight school.. I have heard of no one getting out early
But, early out, alone doesn’t prove erratic behavior.
Most of the people in our class were offered a release if we'd just sign a paper. Those who remained would have to compete for a limited number of available positions. Considering the a**hat in charge, most of us opted to sign the paper.
This same procedure was repeated with people on active duty. Remember what happened to Forrest Gumpf?
But since I'm a mere citizen with an unlimited supply of money and Cosco is a big corporation who has to show a profit, I'll have to agree that spending $100 or more for a security camera is just too expensive when you can just call in the cops to shoot an inconvenient customer. After all, he was only a cracker. < / sarcasm >
But this was in the mid-90's. Lots of folks were getting early outs. In the USAF, we had folks finish pilot training and then get out immediately.
Thank you for the clarification......
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