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Posted on 07/16/2010 10:42:26 PM PDT by Bhoy
thought this might be one of those bills where someone has misread the language and interpreted what the legislation is supposed to do incorrectly.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
They already doing this.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/students-sent-home-with-fat-reports-20100716
good thing this 9 year old had a good self image.
Ma~Bear
Hmmmm I wonder if I will be in trouble because Sassy & is tall & thin? I suggest Mrs 0 diet & show us all how easy it is to keep your child within the weight average they should be. Children lose & gain weight as they grow, this is such bs.
If the government says your daughter doesn’t weigh enough may I suggest you give her a .38? That and a box of ammo should fill her out quite nicely.
Only if I can send her to you so she can learn to shoot correctly! Wouldn’t want her to be a lousy shot. I pic bullets in her sports bra lol.
Anyone know if the bill has passed?
One thing I can tell you from memory, in 1957 an overweight child in America was a hell of a rare thing. Other than in rare cases of real glandular disorders, you had to really work at it.
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I wonder when they’ll start using the data collected from the Grocery store “Discount Club Cards” against us?
I NEVER give any ligit info while obtaining those store cards.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/69436
“Obesity Rating for Every American Must Be Included in Stimulus-Mandated Electronic Health Records, Says HHS”
Thursday, July 15, 2010
By Matt Cover, Staff Writer
SNIPPET: “(CNSNews.com) – New federal regulations issued this week stipulate that the electronic health records—that all Americans are supposed to have by 2014 under the terms of the stimulus law that President Barack Obama signed last year—must record not only the traditional measures of height and weight, but also the Body Mass Index: a measure of obesity.
The obesity-rating regulation states that every American’s electronic health record must: “Calculate body mass index. Automatically calculate and display body mass index (BMI) based on a patient’s height and weight.”
The law also requires that these electronic health records be available—with appropriate security measures—on a national exchange.
The new regulations are one of the first steps towards the government’s goal of universal adoption of electronic health records (EHRs) by 2014, as outlined in the 2009 economic stimulus law. Specifically, the regulations issued on Tuesday by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and Dr. David Blumenthal, the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology, define the “meaningful use” of electronic records. Under the stimulus law, health care providers—including doctors and hospitals—must establish “meaningful use” of EHRs by 2014 in order to qualify for federal subsidies. After that, they will be subjected to penalties in the form of diminished Medicare and Medicaid payments for not establishing “meaningful use” of EHRs.”
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“Final Stimulus Bill Creates Government Database that Will Hold Every American’s Personal Medical Records”
Thursday, February 12, 2009
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer
SNIPPET: “(CNSNews.com) - The final version of the stimulus bill, negotiated by the Democratic leaders of the House and Senate, includes a provision creating a federal database that will hold the personal medical records of every American, Katie Grant, spokeswoman for House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told CNSNews.com Thursday.
The full language of the final package had not been released as of press time. But the bills that passed both the House and Senate created an “Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology” and called for the coordinator to create a national database and a plan for “the utilization of an electronic health record (EHR) for each person in the United States by 2014.”
Asked if the provision for the “utilization of an electronic health record for each person in the United States by 2014” was in the final bill agreed to by the House-Senate conference committee, Grant said, “It is.” She later said “correct” when asked a second time if this language was in the final bill.
The legislation called for creating a National Coordinator for Health Information Technology and said that this person “shall perform the duties under subsection (c ) in a manner consistent with the development of a nationwide health information technology infrastructure for the electronic use and exchange of information.””
401 posted on July 16, 2010 2:14:08 AM PDT by Cindy
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Hate to break it to you.. but the first time you use your store card while paying for your purchase with your credit card, they update the info on you to your real name, address, etc. When Kroger first came out with their store card, in order to get the discount prices, I signed up for one using the name, "Minnie Mouse", address: 123 Main Street, and with a fake phone number. A couple of months later, I was buying groceries and had forgotten to bring my card, the cashier said, no problem we can just enter your phone number and it will pull up your card info. But I could not remember the fake phone number I had registered for "Minnie Mouse". So I told her the truth and said I had used a fake registration. She laughed and said, "lots of people do that, no problem, what is your real phone number?" I told her and she entered it and, showed me how they had long since updated Minnie Mouse to my real info.
You may have hit on something here.
If every new parent named their kid Mickey or Minnie, as appropriate, and took a new last name of Mouse, then we would have a really great looking database of kids!
I have never met a fat homeschooler who has been homeschooled from the beginning. Seriously, I can't remember even one instance.
Yes, it is anecdotal but it seems that being institutionalized in our modern schools makes children fat.
My daughter started her weight problem in her time in school.
They eat breakfast, had a 10pm snack, ate lunch, had a 2pm snack and then came home. In between, kids had birthdays and brought in treats. She would then go to Soccer where they had a snack and she wouldn’t eat dinner.
We’ve fought with it ever since.
Michelle needs to be told to mind her own business.
The BMI misclassifies very tall, skinny people as obese and very short fat people as underweight.
Go figure.
The BMI calculation is invalid on its face. The volume of an object is proportional to its weight. There are no cubic factors in the formula to take into account the fact that a 3-dimensional object that is twice the height of an identical 3-dimensional object has 8 (23) times the volume.
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Really? Then I'm fine!
I'm built like a Porsche. Wide, low to the ground........and 0 to 60 in no time flat. ;-P
I don’t understand all the uproar.
The mandate in the health care takeover has to do with the electronic record keeping. When there is a good exam, both height and weight are measured. Having that data a calculation of BMI is easy. A truly damning statistic would be the waist to hip ratio. That could be very harmful to self esteem but is a good indicator of heart disease probability.
The BMI is just another diagnostic tool. The question is what limits will be placed on the numbers.
I have said here and will say again that I think we will see a reversal in the ratio of female deaths to male for the simple reason there seem to be more morbidly obese women than men. The morbidly obese women will not make it much past 45 if they make it that long.
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Then wait until the first reports of 'bad' BMI being used to deny health care benefits or as a reason to charge more.
And, since BMI is not a 100% accurate method of measuring obesity it should not be recorded at all. Different races have different bone density, that is one way forensic medicine has of determining identity of skeletal remains. African sourced people have greater bone density than Euro sourced people who have greater bone density than Asia sourced people. The same for musculature.
A ten year old boy of African descent who is 4'10" and 110 pounds will have the same BMI as a Chinese boy who is ten years old, 4'10" and 110 pounds but the % of body fat will be widely varied. Since there is no allowance for these sub-texts the entire BMI program is flawed.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/82/2/429
Is there anything the government doesn’t track anymore?
Not to be gross, but... I have a sinus infection and my eyes aren’t seeing clearly. I thought it said BM. I guess that is coming.
People have worried about being overweight almost since the beginning of history. Yes, there were fewer overweight (over what weight?) people in the past, but people have been dieting or talking about dieting forever. The first “official” diet was called Banting and was proposed in the 1800s.
Doesn’t it register with anyone that people come in all sizes and shapes and much of it is genetic? If you don’t believe me, then check out groups of people at a mall or other public place. See if you can’t pick out the family resemblance in size and shape. There is an old German proverb, “You can’t fatten a greyhound.” Well, you’re not going to slim down a bull dog either.
I have also known people whose babies look like the Michelin man, but at about age 3, the kids slim down and start to resemble bean poles. It is so dangerous to start trying to manipulate a child’s weight.
We need to stop the constant fear-mongering about health. We are living longer and healthier lives than ever, and the chunky among us live the longest. We are being worked up into a frenzy over a non-issue and allowing our children to be told they are flawed because of their appearance.
Sorry, but I’ve known plenty of homeschoolers and they come in all sizes, just like everyone else. Perhaps we should just treat everyone with respect, regardless of how they look.
......Racial differences in bone density..........
I understand your points and that Body Mass can possibly be be abused by chair warmers in ivory towers. The issue may need to be decided by the court if there is zealous excess in application.
I also understand that there can be differences between individuals for a variety of reasons but those differences can be accounted for by knowing medical personnel. I also understand, but you did not mention, that the precision is not absolute and minor variation, say 5% or so is not really relevant.
A very large or very small BMI is relevant and in need of scrutiny if good health is to be maintained. Once the out of healthful bounds condition is observed and quantified, change from treatment efforts can be readily observed. Of most interest is a very low or very high number. Race or many, if not most of the variations noted, don’t matter at the extremes.
Again I note that BMI is like thousands of other health related numbers, something that can be used to first establish a problem or risk, and then if there is treatment to monitor the progress.
I have never met a fat homeschooler who has been homeschooled from the beginning.
So very true!
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