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AZ Senate Debate Last Night: Who Won? (Vanity)
July 17, 2010 | no dems

Posted on 07/17/2010 10:02:05 AM PDT by no dems

O.K., I've tried all morning to get the pulse of last night's Arizona GOP Senate Debate, with little success. Found one article but "copyright complaints" prevented me from posting it here. I checked C-Span's website. Doesn't seem to be any re-runs today or tonight.

So, Freepers, from what you've seen, heard and read, who won last night's debate? From what I gathered, Deakin fumbled badly; especially in his closing remarks. Sounds like J.D. got some good shots at McCain's hypocrisy. But....

I dunno. Comments anyone?


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: azsenate; deakin; debate; hayworth; jdhayworth; mccain
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One article from a Tucson publication did say that "Nothing was changed" after the debate. But, it sounds like something did change and it was in J.D.'s favor. For one thing, the debate took Deakin out as a serious contender.

Am I right or wrong; anybody?

1 posted on 07/17/2010 10:02:09 AM PDT by no dems
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To: no dems

McCain lost before the debate. Anyone who would want that RINO traitor back in Washington is a moron and a fool. Now, let me tell you what I really think about McCain.....Mr. Amnesty and Mr. Anti-First-Amendment....


2 posted on 07/17/2010 10:05:09 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: no dems
If the MSM is blocking access, that means their chosen candidate RINO got *crushed*.

Go JD!

FUJM!

3 posted on 07/17/2010 10:07:01 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: no dems

Not sure if C-Span has any reruns planned, but you you can watch on demand at:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/294593-1


4 posted on 07/17/2010 10:11:06 AM PDT by Will88
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To: no dems

How the hell does somebody fumble the closing remarks? It’s the only part that’s totally scripted.


5 posted on 07/17/2010 10:13:49 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: grey_whiskers

Mr. Deakin closing statement was embarrassing for him, he should drop out and John McCain needs to RETIRE and Congress needs TERM LIMITS...


6 posted on 07/17/2010 10:15:29 AM PDT by haircutter
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To: no dems
All I saw was a short segment on FOX. It looked like McLame was begging for votes. JD appeared serious and passionate about what he was saying. He spoke with a Tea Party voice. He spoke as if he'd "had enough."
I haven't been following JD closely, so I don't know much about him. If I were the average voter (who doesn't know anything about McLame), I'd pick JD just because he speaks like he's a tax payer.
7 posted on 07/17/2010 10:19:05 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: grey_whiskers

JD won hands down. McCain looked old, weak, and foolish and was caught up in his own lies. McCain’s negative ads against JD look even more desperate and petty because he could not back them up in a face to face with JD.

I think that most people want to vote against McCain but the negative ads gave people concern about JD. I think that concern was overcome last night. I expect a big bump for Hayworth after this and tonight will be even better as McCain was clearly rattled last night. Expect McCain’s head to explode tonight as he could barely keep it together last night.

McCain touted his fake opposition to earmarks and then used 3 of his response times to remind us of all the pork he’s brought to AZ. What an idiot.

Go JD!


8 posted on 07/17/2010 10:19:59 AM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: EagleUSA

FOX News is out there pimping for McCain for all they are worth, so obviously JD won the debate. Kelly whats-his-name just said JD sounded “mean” LOL. Poor fool hasn’t seen any of the really nasty stuff McCain is putting out.


9 posted on 07/17/2010 10:28:32 AM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: grey_whiskers

I agree the fawning pictures of McLame and the retread of a single AP story that tries to put a good face on McLame is a pretty fair indicator.

The polls in the next week will be very interesting.


10 posted on 07/17/2010 10:30:14 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: no dems

BTW folks, I just read on Open Secrets that 60% of McCain’s campaign contributions have come from out of state.


11 posted on 07/17/2010 10:31:38 AM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: no dems

I detest John McCain, but I always had misgivings about Hayworth. With the infomercial, I pretty much wrote Hayworth off as the wrong guy to beat McCain. I had never seen Deakin before, so I had no opinion of him. That’s how I went into the debate.

In my opinion, JD won that debate hands down. To say that he just won is an understatement. He destroyed McCain. He delivered blow after blow, without seeming to be mean or angry. McCain was his usual self, repeating stupid nonsense like ‘there you go again’ to try and appear Reaganesque. It failed miserably. It was worse than any of the debates with Obama in 08, if you can imagine that.

More importantly than the blows he landed, Hayworth showed a command of the issues and ability to communicate them that the other candidates lacked. Last night, JD Hayworth looked and behaved more like the senator from Arizona than John McCain did. When that happens in a political race, it’s a game changer.

Deakin had an opportunity here to sink or swim. In my opinion, he sank. Not just because he fumbled with his words a few times, but because he seemed to be a one note candidate. I’m all for ‘just follow the constitution’, but that can’t be your entire campaign or you’ll start to sound like a broken record. He didn’t show any substance and didn’t appear to be a viable contender in the race to me.

Based on his performance last night, I would now be very surprised if JD didn’t win the primary. It was a performance that I wish we would see more often from more candidates.


12 posted on 07/17/2010 10:32:05 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: no dems

It’s easy.

Did McKennedy open his mouth?

Then he lied.

Did he have a pulse?

He lide.

Was he moving?

He lied.

Ergo, he’d loose a debate with a chair.


13 posted on 07/17/2010 10:33:19 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: no dems

I’ll be watching this thread for many unbiased reports.

No let me guess, JD cleaned Mack’s clock, right?


14 posted on 07/17/2010 10:34:59 AM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: McGavin999
Kelly whats-his-name just said JD sounded “mean”

He sounded serious. McLame did come off as pitiful. I'd rather vote for the guy who'll do something rather than be a cray baby who'll hide in a corner every time a democrat wants more social spending. Sheesh.

Those who have had just about enough of big government will gravitate to JD. Those who collect government funds in some way will gravitate to McLame. It'll all come down to who's more determined. Those who pay taxes or those who live off them.

15 posted on 07/17/2010 10:36:37 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: McGavin999
60% of McCain’s campaign contributions have come from out of state.

From far left wing organizations, no doubt. McLame is a democrats wet dream.

16 posted on 07/17/2010 10:38:17 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Glad to hear that Hayworth came through.
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17 posted on 07/17/2010 10:39:56 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: no dems

Well, it’s secret, like everything else this transparent regime does.


18 posted on 07/17/2010 10:44:22 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: McGavin999

its worse than that.

Mclame held on to cash at the end of the 2000 Pres run so he could those funds for this race.
he knew the Pres race was lost in the end and spent none of his money !

The slime !


19 posted on 07/17/2010 11:01:05 AM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: no dems

Particiapants on the site where the debate was presented, gave Mccain about a 15% approval rating, Deakin about a 25% approval rating, and Hayworth about a 60% approval rating.

I was over there out McCain for who he has been. I posted factoids, and asked a number of questions that made him look like a political leper.

I also posted a link to my data: http://www.hotr.us/data/mccainagain.html

McCain kept getting his feet knocked out from under him.

His supporters were saying things like, “I can’t stand Hayworth’s voice.” “Hayworth is attacking him, instead of saying what he will do.” (anotherwords, it hurts when J. D. outs my guy) They tried to trash J. D. based on his hair color. I said, yep, that sure trumps John’s 28 year history of subterfuge and Leftist actions, once again providing my link.

Hayworth detractors talked about feelings with little and silly complaints while our side provided specific instances of McCain selling us out.

It was a real pleasure to see John go from a little over 30% support, to as low as 10%, finally winding up around 15%. If even Deakin’s could whip his arse 25/15, John’s in a heap of trouble.


20 posted on 07/17/2010 11:02:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Latest most accurate Az Poll to date, of 14 likely voters: McCain 137%, Hayworth -37% (+/- 92%))
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To: concerned about politics

JD is the absolute worst guy to run against McCain. He has a lousy record, pro earmarks which McCain isn’t and he did those ridiculous ads for “free money” from the government.

In fact I can’t stand him. I would vote McCain if I lived in AZ.


21 posted on 07/17/2010 11:04:01 AM PDT by JRochelle (My predictions on 2/3/2010: It will be Thune/Rubio in '12.)
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To: McGavin999

“I just read on Open Secrets that 60% of McCain’s campaign contributions have come from out of state.”

Geez, do you imagine the RNC is blowing it’s wad on that loser?


22 posted on 07/17/2010 11:15:02 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: no dems; stephenjohnbanker; SandRat; mkjessup; DoughtyOne; AuntB; Jim Robinson

It was pretty clear: J.D. cast fear into McRINO.


23 posted on 07/17/2010 11:15:47 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: JRochelle

Do Arizona a favor; write to McCain and convince him to move where you live, then you could vote for him and we’d be rid of him.


24 posted on 07/17/2010 11:18:39 AM PDT by azsportsterman
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To: JRochelle; AuntB; DoughtyOne; MaggieCarta; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; mkjessup; ...
JD is the absolute worst guy to run against McCain. He has a lousy record, pro earmarks which McCain isn’t and he did those ridiculous ads for “free money” from the government. In fact I can’t stand him. I would vote McCain if I lived in AZ.

Hello and goodbye, McCainiac.

25 posted on 07/17/2010 11:20:53 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

All politicians take money from contributors. And just about all politicians have someone donate to them that turns out to be a crook at some point.

McCain isn’t pristine on the subject. He takes hundreds of thousands of dollars from donors. It’s just luck of the draw that one of them didn’t fall out. And when you look at his intervention on behalf of Keating, one of them did. John received the most funds of anyone from Keating. John was very fortunate not to have been kicked out of the Senate. He failed to report gratuities for over seven years as required by the House. Still, no punitive action was taken. I think the scrumptious nature of having a Lefty like McCain in our midst, was too great a thing to pass up. The Left needed his help. He has certainly given it since.

Did J.D. provide quid pro quo for the funds from the problematic donor? I haven’t seen that suggested. McCain did.

Is J. D. as pristine as the driven snow? Of course not. Is he the letch McCain and his countless minions have portrayed him to be, no. Not hardly.

J. D.’s biggest mistake was participating in that commercial for free government funds. It was a philosophical mistake though. It looked bad. It wasn’t borderline criminal though. Compare that to John joining Kennedy, Kerry, Feingold, Lieberman, Terresa Heinz Kerry, the Tides Foundation and other Soros entities, George Soros... I mean comparing Hayworth to McCain is like comparing your dad to a very bad man. It just doesn’t fly.


26 posted on 07/17/2010 11:23:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Latest most accurate Az Poll to date, of 14 likely voters: McCain 137%, Hayworth -37% (+/- 92%))
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To: no dems

If there is a blackout McCain lost.


27 posted on 07/17/2010 11:27:57 AM PDT by Conservative9
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To: JRochelle

glad you don’t live in AZ. Hope you don’t vote in 2012.


28 posted on 07/17/2010 11:36:29 AM PDT by Conservative9
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To: JRochelle; Jim Robinson
JD is the absolute worst guy to run against McCain. He has a lousy record, pro earmarks which McCain isn’t and he did those ridiculous ads for “free money” from the government.
In fact I can’t stand him. I would vote McCain if I lived in AZ.


Jim? How's your throwing arm? Sounds like this McCainiac troll is itching to join 'sabe@q.com' in RINO-Hell.
29 posted on 07/17/2010 11:44:33 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: JRochelle; All

” JD is the absolute worst guy to run against McCain. He has a lousy record, pro earmarks which McCain isn’t and he did those ridiculous ads for “free money” from the government.

In fact I can’t stand him. I would vote McCain if I lived in AZ. “

Thank you J COCKrochelle.

FR’s RINO-in-Residence


30 posted on 07/17/2010 11:45:38 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: JRochelle; mkjessup

” JD is the absolute worst guy to run against McCain. He has a lousy record,.... “

Uh huh...a LIFETIME 98% conservative rating from the ACU.

Thank you Cockrochelle.


31 posted on 07/17/2010 11:48:25 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: rabscuttle385; JRochelle; AuntB; DoughtyOne; MaggieCarta; indylindy; calcowgirl; ...
JD is the absolute worst guy to run against McCain. He has a lousy record, pro earmarks which McCain isn’t and he did those ridiculous ads for “free money” from the government. In fact I can’t stand him. I would vote McCain if I lived in AZ.
Hello and goodbye, McCainiac.


ANYone who would vote for McCain, is no conservative, and they are NO friend of conservatives, nor are they the friend of any FReeper.

McCain is a treasonous scumbag.
32 posted on 07/17/2010 11:48:38 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup

I’m in no mood for TROLLS today.


33 posted on 07/17/2010 11:51:11 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: DoughtyOne
JD's infomercial was stupid and JD apoligized for doing a stupid thing. At the time McCain started running his negative ad about JD's infomercial, it was found out that McCain himself had a link to Government Grants on his Senate web site. When that word started getting out...mysteriously (or not) that link disappeared from McCain's Senate site.

JD was NOT a congressperson when he stupidly did the infomercial, but ole Johnny Mac sure as heck was when his site linked people to go get Gov. grants! I may be wrong but in my book Gov. grants are also taxpayers money that McCain was pointing the way for citizens to get their share of the "free" money.

And as for JD and his pork/entitlement spending, there isn't a single Congressperson, incl. John McCain, that doesn't sign on to pork/entitlements with every Bill they vote for and McCain's pork/entitlement spending, through Bills, outweighs JD's spending 100 times over.

If McCain, as he so often says these days, is a leader that can get things done, then why in his 26+ yrs. has he not been able to get rid of pork/entitlements in Bills! It's his no. 1 cause next to amnesty (by any other name he chooses)and he has gotten exactly nowhere! Some big time leader he is.

34 posted on 07/17/2010 11:52:32 AM PDT by Kate_Malloy
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To: mkjessup; Jim Robinson
Jim? How's your throwing arm? Sounds like this McCainiac troll is itching to join 'sabe@q.com' in RINO-Hell.

Yes. 100 to 1 Freeper support for JD is not enough for a proper echo chamber.

35 posted on 07/17/2010 11:53:34 AM PDT by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: freeangel

I don’t know about the RNC, but a lot of people from Florida, New York and California are contributing (as well as a lot of small donation all along the east coast). I was amazed at the amount of money he has collected and spent. The fact that JD is even in the race with that kind of heavy money being thrown against him is stunning.


36 posted on 07/17/2010 11:54:16 AM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
I'm in no mood for TROLLS today.

Neither am I. We don't need a Bug Zapper yet,
we just need something to attract those trolls...
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37 posted on 07/17/2010 11:55:53 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Kate_Malloy

I hadn’t heard that link issue raised. LOL I agree with your comments.


38 posted on 07/17/2010 11:56:46 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Latest most accurate Az Poll to date, of 14 likely voters: McCain 137%, Hayworth -37% (+/- 92%))
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To: JRochelle
Gee, the reason I wouldn't vote for McCain is because of his record...
Get over it. I thank God that I do have a vote in AZ and that I'm looking at substance....Character matters, that's why JD has my vote.......
39 posted on 07/17/2010 11:57:56 AM PDT by marmar ((Although, I may look different then you....my blood still runs..RED, WHITE, & BLUE. RETIRED USAF))
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Jim? How's your throwing arm? Sounds like this McCainiac troll is itching to join 'sabe@q.com' in RINO-Hell.
Yes. 100 to 1 Freeper support for JD is not enough for a proper echo chamber.


Anyone who would make a garbage comment like the following is no conservative, and needs to be zotted:

[from a Washington Post hit piece on JD Hayworth]"...the only Tea Party candidate with a history of hosting fundraisers in lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s sports skyboxes....been enthusiastic legislative earmarkers, or voted for the Medicare prescription drug benefit, or supported the 2005 highway bill, which included the “bridge to nowhere”?
Poster 'Once-ler' opined:" This is all true. Conservatives Freepers don't care as long as JD hates mexicans.
- 51 posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:34:39 PM by Once-Ler
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/2496569/posts?page=51#51


40 posted on 07/17/2010 11:59:03 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Kate_Malloy

Could only catch the last half of the debate and LOVED it when JD accused McCain of *revisionist history*. I think it was in reference to illegal immigration.

Every time McCain is up for re-election he’s on his *best, conservative behavior*. Then he reverts to his RINO self and we’re stuck with him for the next 6 years.

He really needs to ride off into the beautiful Arizona sunset along with his daughter.


41 posted on 07/17/2010 12:13:30 PM PDT by azishot
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To: mkjessup; Once-Ler

Poster ‘Once-ler’ opined:” This is all true. Conservatives Freepers don’t care as long as JD hates mexicans.
- 51 posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:34:39 PM by Once-Ler

Soooo...All Freepers are racist if they don’t like illegal immigrants?

Any more anti-Freeper statements you would like to make, or are you going to be a good little boy today?


42 posted on 07/17/2010 12:14:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Once his Senate link was found out, it disappeared in the wink of an eye. It's no wonder you've not seen or heard about it. If McCain would have left his link up then he would have had to cancel yet another negative ad on JD.

One of McCain's very first attack ads on some pork Bill that JD voted for was found to be the very same Bill McCain himself voted for so that disappeared poste haste from the airways. The mccainiacs then had to scour Bills to finally come up with another pork Bill that JD voted for and McCain didn't.

43 posted on 07/17/2010 12:15:11 PM PDT by Kate_Malloy
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Is this a zottable???? Please tell me if IBTZ! (finally)


44 posted on 07/17/2010 12:22:02 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Those with the most to lose, did the least in preventing its happening)
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To: no dems

Deakin is the only one I would dare buy a used car from.


45 posted on 07/17/2010 12:24:19 PM PDT by balls (Every dictator needs an Internet kill switch.)
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To: azishot
McCain sure didn't look like the leader he proclaims himself to be last night. If he was a leader why then did he feel it necessary to start all the name-dropping? It's because he isn't what he proclaims to be and needed to list his "boosters" to look good.

It IS time for him to cut his umbilical cord to his power-cravings and retire to his Cottonwood ranch.

46 posted on 07/17/2010 12:24:58 PM PDT by Kate_Malloy
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To: Outlaw Woman

I’ll post it for you

Outlaw Woman = “ IBTZ “


47 posted on 07/17/2010 12:27:33 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: McGavin999

” The fact that JD is even in the race with that kind of heavy money being thrown against him is stunning.”

McCain is THAT CORRUPT.

Hayworth outspent 12,500,000 to 600,000, and he could still upset The Traitor.


48 posted on 07/17/2010 12:30:11 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Kate_Malloy

If he’s a leader, he’s a piss poor one. Who wants to follow where he’s led: Amnesty, McCain-Feingold, Amnesty, McCain-Kennedy, Amnesty, McCain-Lieberman, Amnesty, TARP, Amnesty, etc. Oh, yeah, and did I mention Amnesty?

FUJM!!


49 posted on 07/17/2010 12:30:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: Once-Ler

FUJM!!

Go, JD, GO!!


50 posted on 07/17/2010 12:32:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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