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A hidden world, growing beyond control (A lot of pulp with no juice)
washington post ^ | 7/19/2010 | Dana Priest, William Arkin

Posted on 07/19/2010 3:43:49 AM PDT by tobyhill

The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work.

These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.

The investigation's other findings include:

* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

* An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.

* In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings - about 17 million square feet of space.

(Excerpt) Read more at projects.washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; bush; bushlegacy; fedzilla

1 posted on 07/19/2010 3:43:52 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
Great.

Unaccountable government. No KNOWLEDGE of its existance, even.

Greeeeeeeaaat.

2 posted on 07/19/2010 3:56:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: tobyhill

“..has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work.”

BS pure and simple... there’s folks that know exactly what’s going on they just don’t want us to know how much it cost etc.


3 posted on 07/19/2010 3:57:00 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA, Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: Lazamataz

Open Mexican border. Couldn’t stop Major Hassan. Bunch of guys all filing each other files.

Yeah. This is good.

/s


4 posted on 07/19/2010 3:58:10 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: maddog55; Lazamataz
sssssshhhhhh!...it's a secret.
5 posted on 07/19/2010 4:01:38 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: maddog55
It's like the WP felt a need to tell us what we already know, the intelligence bureaucracy is too big for its own good.
6 posted on 07/19/2010 4:03:49 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Imagine that, the WaPo complaining about the same Homo-Leninists who they covet and cover while participating in the political class status racketeering just to keep their jobs.

That’s rich, Beltway Boys pretending not to be Butt boys of the Potomac.


7 posted on 07/19/2010 4:09:18 AM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: tobyhill
The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work.

Okay, I'm still working my way through this article, but I'd like to know how many of them are keeping tabs on, and developing strategies for dealing with, our treasonous press and Impostor in Chief.

8 posted on 07/19/2010 4:14:01 AM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: tobyhill

A tease for days to ramp up circulation.

Joke!


9 posted on 07/19/2010 4:19:21 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: tobyhill

If anyone thinks this “leak” wasn’t orchestrated by THIS administration, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Once again, let’s blame Bush (except let’s forget about the fact that we weren’t attacked again post 9/11).

Treasonous.


10 posted on 07/19/2010 4:21:10 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November from my HOUSE!)
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To: tobyhill

Jesus, were so screwed as a country...


11 posted on 07/19/2010 4:25:10 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Nah, we’re fine. All we need a a Republican in the White House, and we’ll all feel better.


12 posted on 07/19/2010 4:26:50 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: SueRae

Right. I’m about half-way through this big whine about George Bush spending $40 billion more than was in the budget to defend the country. Meantime we all know what the Kenyan squatter in the White House has done — and spent.


13 posted on 07/19/2010 4:27:24 AM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: tobyhill

The “Harry Tuttle” report...


14 posted on 07/19/2010 4:28:57 AM PDT by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: tobyhill

They forgot to include a map with coordinates in this story.


15 posted on 07/19/2010 4:31:48 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: LRS

16 posted on 07/19/2010 4:33:27 AM PDT by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: tobyhill

This is the article that will finish off our defense and intel communities. muzzies love the leftist press.

LLS


17 posted on 07/19/2010 4:37:10 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: LibWhacker

Hell man... acorn has siphoned off twice that amount from the doper baby in the Whitehut.

LLS


18 posted on 07/19/2010 4:39:10 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: tobyhill
"Super Users - have the ability to even know about all the department's activities. But as two of the Super Users indicated in interviews, there is simply no way they can keep up with the nation's most sensitive work."

Just because Obama has appointed incompetent people to high positions, doesn't mean the high positions aren,t important, at least for a competent administration.

19 posted on 07/19/2010 4:43:51 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: tobyhill

All this gov’t super secrecy no one knows about except the WaPost....so why hasn’t this paper told us all about the super super secret empty suit sitting in the white house? He’s costing us trillions.


20 posted on 07/19/2010 4:51:08 AM PDT by Maumee (wtw)
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To: tobyhill

After 16 pages I’ve re-affirmed a singular, long held conclusion.......Congress has far too much of the American people’s money to do with as they please.


21 posted on 07/19/2010 5:00:09 AM PDT by Roccus (......and then there were none.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The maps have my blood boiling. Treason of the highest order.


22 posted on 07/19/2010 5:06:33 AM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: Lazamataz

Maybe they can find Obama’s top secret birth certificate


23 posted on 07/19/2010 5:10:27 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic one Post at a Time)
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To: tobyhill
The "Explore Connections" icon?... Outrageous. Surely one of these agencies has the ability to actually act against these traitors.
24 posted on 07/19/2010 5:11:00 AM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: maddog55
And,if people who work in any of our government bureacracies felt free to talk, they would probably tell us that this is the condition of every nook and cranny of this government and it's bureaucracies. Talk about waste..I would venture to guess that the revolution would be on the other foot if people knew..
25 posted on 07/19/2010 5:18:54 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: tobyhill

sfl


26 posted on 07/19/2010 5:20:07 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: tobyhill

hmmm...another thing the government does badly. Funnily enough, the country’s security is something it’s SUPPOSED to be doing.

Tell ya what...defund them all, we get our own guns and protect ourselves. Gotta be a better idea than anything THIS administration does.


27 posted on 07/19/2010 5:36:27 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: tobyhill

To top it off, no one knows how easily it can be perverted to stifle political opposition in the name of Homeland Security. If we don’t find out very quickly, we’re in deep doodoo.


28 posted on 07/19/2010 6:05:10 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Wolfie
All we need a a Republican Constitutional Conservative in the White House, and we’ll all feel better.

Small edit.

29 posted on 07/19/2010 6:07:10 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: tobyhill

OK folks, analogy time

Washington Post is to “investigation” as ______ is to ________


30 posted on 07/19/2010 6:10:18 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: tobyhill

They started this “investigation” after the tragic, just tragic awful national security damaging (sarc) outing of CIA desk clerk Valerie Plame..... right?

I would be more interested in the list of peoplr TURNED DOWN for security clearance in the past 2 years.


31 posted on 07/19/2010 6:13:11 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: tobyhill

Surely its been the same since forever or at least watergate, nothing has really changed and probably nothing will change.

The real question is can individuals do anything about it, my view is probably not


32 posted on 07/19/2010 7:51:05 AM PDT by Nick Spain
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To: tobyhill
I have been researching this issue for many years. Along with my UFO findings I have uncovered a CONSPIRACY!

Truck drivers were the first to provide the information for my study.

We all know that streets are named after those people who give, (take), so much to the town in which they live. So we have Martin Luther King Blvd, Lincoln Highway, Washington Bridge etc.

Now ask yourself How come many towns have a Frontage Road. Who is this Frontage family and how much of the US do they control?

33 posted on 07/19/2010 8:24:40 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: LibWhacker

A few editors and owners need to be tried for treason to stop this crap. I am with you 100%!

LLS


34 posted on 07/19/2010 7:12:04 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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