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Mel Gibson Tirades are the Distilled Violence, Cruelty, & Bigotry of Right-wing Catholic Ideology
Slate ^ | 7/19/10 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 07/19/2010 5:44:38 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta

Here is a man whose every word and deed is easily explicable once you know the single essential thing about him: He is a member of a fascist splinter group that believes it is the salvation of the Catholic Church.

This schismatic crackpot sect is headed by Mel Gibson's father, Hutton Gibson, a nutty autodidact with a sideline in Holocaust denial.

Like many ultra-conservative Catholics, the Gibsons, père et fils, have never forgiven the Vatican for lifting the charge of deicide against the Jews in 1964.

Less well-remembered, perhaps, is the interview in which he announced that his wife of many years and the mother of his children would not, alas, be able to join him in paradise.

It was not a matter of her moral character. It was simply that she had not seen fit to join the one true church.

Her condemnation, then, was "a pronouncement from the chair."

Gibson has now traded in this long-suffering lady—hopelessly rupturing his sacred marriage vows—for another, younger one, who, to phrase it delicately, was almost certainly not picked for her salient Catholic virtues.

In doing this, he must have had a consciousness, however dim, of having endangered his immortal soul.

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; christopherhitchens; demagoguery; hitchens; melgibson; paradise; vatican
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1 posted on 07/19/2010 5:44:40 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I know I should pray for this man’s recovery, but frankly I have more important things to do.


2 posted on 07/19/2010 5:47:10 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Paging the Theology Wonks!


3 posted on 07/19/2010 5:47:16 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Funny, I’m as right wing as can possibly be, 500 times more to the right than Mel, and I’m a Catholic. Yet I support Israel and I don’t beat women; or have a problem being a stumbling dunkard.


4 posted on 07/19/2010 5:47:42 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Watch it Pelosi and the late Kennedy are Catholics


5 posted on 07/19/2010 5:48:18 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Beliefs belong in church.

What more is there to say?


6 posted on 07/19/2010 5:51:21 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Mel Gibson practices his own bizarre form of Catholicism. This fact negates any feeble case that Hitchens is attempting to make.


7 posted on 07/19/2010 5:51:58 PM PDT by Fred (Suspend All Immigration Until Unemployment is Reduced to 5%)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Even if they are fake.


8 posted on 07/19/2010 5:52:10 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: blueyon

No they are not.


9 posted on 07/19/2010 5:52:45 PM PDT by Fred (Suspend All Immigration Until Unemployment is Reduced to 5%)
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To: pissant

The fact that his wife is meeting him in Australia with some of his kids shows that they love, they love him and want him to kick the alcohol addiction that leads to so much awful behavior. Pray for this guy. He has great potential as we know, and the booze is helping satan infest him - but his family knows this.

God uses all for good, even our decisiobs to caste Him aside and sin terribly. Maybe this will bring him into Full Communion? Only prayer will do it, so pray.

The only good Catholic is a lapse cafeteria Catholic that proclaoms to be practicing, and that’s the position of the government controlled media always.


10 posted on 07/19/2010 5:53:52 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; Irisshlass; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ..

Yeah Hitchens and Ted Kaczynski’s tirades are the norm for the left. What a sorry excuse for a hatefilled screed.


11 posted on 07/19/2010 5:54:38 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Christopher Hitchens is the bigot in the living room. JMHO


12 posted on 07/19/2010 5:54:57 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I guess no atheists beat their wives.
13 posted on 07/19/2010 5:55:34 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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14 posted on 07/19/2010 5:55:51 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discover" Sarah Palin)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

He is NOT a Catholic.


15 posted on 07/19/2010 5:56:08 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
his wife is meeting him in Australia with some of his kids

Are you talking about the Drudge report? Mel's publicist denied that he's going to Australia.

16 posted on 07/19/2010 5:56:40 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Well, you know this is at least a part of why this story is getting so much coverage, when things like Acorn and the black panthers stories aren’t. One fits the agenda and one doesn’t.

(Not defending mel’s behavior at all, it was absolutely disgusting).


17 posted on 07/19/2010 5:56:52 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: OldNavyVet
Beliefs belong in church.

What more is there to say?

Two things...

1) You're wrong. Beliefs (if truly believed) are integral to the person and shouldn't have to be left behind to participate in society. Certainly, your belief that others' beliefs belong in Church is a part of you...!

2) Your homepage is scary...

18 posted on 07/19/2010 5:57:58 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Dear Hitch;

For real, full-on, unadulterated violence and hatred, you might do better looking at pagan National Socialism and atheistic International Communism ...

But that might be too close to home.

19 posted on 07/19/2010 5:58:09 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
My dear Catholic friends, please ignore Hitchens, a man whose hatred does not allow him to become kinder even at the time of his peril, when putting the pen down would suffice.

Mel Gibson is a scumbag, but that is his choice; it has nothing to do with his Catholicism. These dishonest people just use this pretense to vent their hatred of religion --- all religion.

20 posted on 07/19/2010 6:02:47 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Christopher Hitchens can always be counted on the bash the Church for some reason, or the other.

Mel Gibson's problems were created because he chose to REJECT the teachings of Jesus and His Church, instead of follow them.

21 posted on 07/19/2010 6:04:22 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

When I’m looking for an authority on the church, I always go with drunk atheists like Christopher Hitchens.


22 posted on 07/19/2010 6:04:50 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Speaking of ‘distilled’, Chris...


23 posted on 07/19/2010 6:05:38 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: pgyanke; OldNavyVet

“Beliefs belong in the church”

is ironically a belief. Why are you expressing it outside of a church?


24 posted on 07/19/2010 6:07:10 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Mel is just a draft dodger from Peekskill, New York. The old man took the family to the Antipodes to keep them out of Vietnam. It worked. New Zealand and then Australia for Mel.

Understand he's headed back out of town. If he needs to hide out, lemme suggest a return to Peekskill, Nothing ever happens there (or at least since Aaron Burr died) and fewer media people can find it than can find Australia.

BTW, that russki bimbo may look OK at night, but in full sunlight? Mel, it could be an eye problem. I hope the kid is being raised as a Catholic, preferably in an Irish orphanage and laundry, where they understand these things..

25 posted on 07/19/2010 6:07:52 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Think about this. The Party of Constitutional Restoration. Program, Plan, Leaders, Courage.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Gibsons failings are because he's human and makes incorrect choices. He'll have to deal with it and the consequences.

And then there's this tidbit. Or two.

Oksana Signed, Then Rejected $15 Mil Deal

26 posted on 07/19/2010 6:08:35 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

As a Catholic, I’d say poor Mel has really made a hash of things.

That being said, I must also state I have not met one Catholic who says the crazy things Mel does.


27 posted on 07/19/2010 6:10:26 PM PDT by Melian ( God is even kinder than you think. ~St. Teresa)
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To: pissant

File this under baiting. It’ll get Hitchens on a radio program or two, maybe a followup, because some people will bite.


28 posted on 07/19/2010 6:10:51 PM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Understand he's headed back out of town.

No. His publicist denied it. And he's filming right now with Jodie Foster.

29 posted on 07/19/2010 6:11:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Christopher Hitchens’ time is very short. Unless he accepts the grace of Yeshua, he will be in hell soon, and then he will know that he passed up the opportunity to have Christ save him from a place of unimaginable torment.
30 posted on 07/19/2010 6:14:00 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

What does he say about Charlie Sheen and Alec Baldwin and their rants and abuse?


31 posted on 07/19/2010 6:14:05 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

You’d have to be a pretty big ass to post some garbage like this.


32 posted on 07/19/2010 6:14:23 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

>> Hitchens: “hopelessly rupturing his sacred marriage vows”

Slip?


33 posted on 07/19/2010 6:15:56 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Hey, maybe they’re filming in Peekskill!


34 posted on 07/19/2010 6:17:41 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Think about this. The Party of Constitutional Restoration. Program, Plan, Leaders, Courage.)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

Gibson has been under major attack, spiritually and from the Hollywood Left since the Passion of the Christ. I hope he recovers.


35 posted on 07/19/2010 6:19:03 PM PDT by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

BS. These are the ravings of an arrogant, pampered Hollywood booze-bag.


36 posted on 07/19/2010 6:19:50 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I’m thinking not. But the article did say that he filmed in NYC for 2 weeks.


37 posted on 07/19/2010 6:20:08 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Brimack34
Charlie and Alex are both democraps. Whatever they say about anything, and no matter how they say it, they are giving us meaningful input about life's major issues, allowing us to grow in wisdom.

They were Romnan Catholics once, but are now more like Christian Socialist Hedonist Philosopher Obama Lovers and whatever they do, it is out of Kennedy-like love for us, the little people who must follow them.

Mel? He's just a Right-wing Lunatic.

38 posted on 07/19/2010 6:22:13 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Think about this. The Party of Constitutional Restoration. Program, Plan, Leaders, Courage.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; narses

This has nothing to do with Mel Gibson’s distorted and schismatic version of sedevacatist catholicism, and everything to do with mental illness. Mel displays all the classic symptoms of Biploar type I. In a 2008 documentary, Acting Class of 1977, he first talked about being diagnosed with bipolar disorder.


39 posted on 07/19/2010 6:23:56 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: DJ MacWoW
Late at night, in the fog, filmed from the river, the north Bronx could easily be mistaken for Peekskill, particularly if it is snowing and one looks west.

Because of poor roads, and highly idiosyncratic locals, Peekskill does not get the foreign tourists that it should. It would make a great film location.

40 posted on 07/19/2010 6:26:10 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Think about this. The Party of Constitutional Restoration. Program, Plan, Leaders, Courage.)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
Mel Gibson's father, Hutton Gibson, a nutty autodidact with a sideline in Holocaust denial... [has] never forgiven the Vatican for lifting the charge of deicide against the Jews in 1964. Less well-remembered, perhaps, is the interview in which [Mel] announced that his wife of many years and the mother of his children would not, alas, be able to join him in paradise. It was not a matter of her moral character. It was simply that she had not seen fit to join the one true church. Her condemnation, then, was "a pronouncement from the chair."

41 posted on 07/19/2010 6:26:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: pissant

Remember `Mad Max’ and the insane cop he played with Danny “Global Warming Causes Earthquakes” Glover in that movie series (name escapes me)?
Mel wasn’t acting. Hitchens is right: Gibson’s as crazy as an outhouse mouse.
And we can find easier Hollywierdos to defend.
Denzel Washington. Kevin Costner, some others. There are a more than a few normal (see: `conservative’) leading actors, we just don’t hear much from them.
As Hitchen’s writes in `Religion Poisons Everything’ Spinoza, Descarte & others—notably the scientist who ground lenses and was served with a fatwah by his own synagogue—they often signed their works anonymously, under a rose (or sub rosa), and agreed that those who hid well, lived well.
Kick this religious screwball to the curb. His act is getting old.


42 posted on 07/19/2010 6:27:34 PM PDT by tumblindice (nopie4uytee!)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Never been to Peekskill. Several towns around it but not there.


43 posted on 07/19/2010 6:29:04 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Well might you ask how I, a man from a poor, deservedly obscure Maine paper mill town, know so much about Mel Gibson's home town of Peekskill.

Simple really. As an engineering student, I worked on the town's major tourist attraction, its waste water treatment plant, visiting every quaint street tracing the town's sewer lines.

As soon as I finish freeping you, I shall write the mayor of this moribund municipality suggesting they name the sewage treatment plant after Mel, or Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

44 posted on 07/19/2010 6:31:11 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Think about this. The Party of Constitutional Restoration. Program, Plan, Leaders, Courage.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Give him another choke to give him a kick.


45 posted on 07/19/2010 6:32:04 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: tumblindice

I don’t think anyone is defending Gibson so much as trying to get the truth. Does he have problems? Yep. And I think what the police conclude will be interesting. He’s a colorful character that picked the wrong arm candy.


46 posted on 07/19/2010 6:32:22 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: J Edgar

Well, fwiw I pray for Christopher Hitchens recovery from cancer, he was to go on a book tour to promote his anti religion work.

As for Mel Gibson, I think he needs some effective counseling, it is my view that perhaps he has some issues that need to be resolved.

And it is funny to me that Hitch was chosen to write an article critical of the Catholic Church and supra ordinary Cardinal Jurisdictions, that is a bit like a a vegetarian reviewing steaks at a Ruth Crisp’s..


47 posted on 07/19/2010 6:33:11 PM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Not a job I’d want. And the towns that I live near don’t have sewer lines.


48 posted on 07/19/2010 6:34:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Last Dakotan

roflmao!! GREAT!!!


49 posted on 07/19/2010 6:37:17 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: bwc2221
I know I should pray for this man’s recovery

You're talking about Christopher Hitchens?

50 posted on 07/19/2010 6:38:03 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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