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Get this into your thick skulls, liberal hacks: Mel Gibson is not a Roman Catholic
Telegraph ^ | July 19, 2010 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 07/20/2010 7:29:01 AM PDT by NYer

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To: the_conscience

I haven’t seen it but am planning to this week.

Reviews are somewhat mixed. The majority are good reviews that say it is deep and original and thought-provoking like the first “Matrix.

Negative reviews say the film is ultra-confusing, confusing and confusing.

Time will tell. It’s earning a solid box office, but its budget was $200,000,000. I think the trailers were great. The visuals look terrific. But nothing’s changed in a century where movies are concerned — it’s story, story, story.

I liked Momento but Nolan’s Batman left me cold. I hope it is as good as some say. It’s nice when a movie surprises us. And I’m liking DiCaprio a lot after the Departed and Shutter Island.

Ebert is still the best reviewer around (although he doesn’t seem to dislike anything these days.) But his reviews are always literate and generally accurate. He loved Inception.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100714/REVIEWS/100719997/1023

Let’s compare notes when we both see it.


151 posted on 07/21/2010 11:53:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RitaOK
I listened today to Mels interviews.....he spoke clearly about his booze issues...on some he has that red skin typical of people with his problem...additionally he has bipolar and likely the alcohol adds to that.

His rants on those videos his wife made are not unusual for these problems...people rant as that when drunk and or their disorder is in swing. She knows this and said so ...”you need medication”....not uncommon people with bipolar start feeling better and go off their meds.

No doubt Mels problems are out of control. But the lady knew going into this Mel had these issues...I just think she's been setting him up from the get go. The courts are already seeing this of recent.

Bottom line...Mel needs to go back into treatment AGAIN! He knows it and he also knows he'll continue to loose all he has. It's the plight of those who struggle with alcohol and his disorder. People who partner up with those with these problems are setting themselves up for mistreatment...they should know better.

152 posted on 07/22/2010 12:05:48 AM PDT by caww
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To: count-your-change
Who gets to set the definitions and what are those definitions?


153 posted on 07/22/2010 5:30:24 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: NYer

By those definitions there’s about a dozen, maybe dozen and half, Catholics in the U.S.


154 posted on 07/22/2010 7:37:45 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: NYer

For later


155 posted on 07/25/2010 12:32:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
I wasn't confirmed (that was my own problem -- not the Church's), but when I look into the confirmation training coming up for our two young girls all I see is a bunch of modernistic, protestantized, guitar-playing claptrap. This is particularly the case looking at the weekend retreats they are required to attend.

Now, if the whole Confirmation education sequence were available in a pre-modern church framework we'd rush to take advantage of it. Going to look into whether the FSSP parish in the next state actually offers that.

including within that a sensitivity to the liturgical rhythm of the church’s life.

What the hell does that mean?

156 posted on 07/25/2010 12:42:22 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86; johngrace; raygunfan; livius; Salvation; Lorica
I wasn't confirmed (that was my own problem -- not the Church's), but when I look into the confirmation training coming up for our two young girls all I see is a bunch of modernistic, protestantized, guitar-playing claptrap. This is particularly the case looking at the weekend retreats they are required to attend.

I am Roman Catholic but practice my faith in the Maronite (Eastern) Catholic Church. In all the eastern churches, children are baptized and chrismated at the same time. In some of those churches, children also make First Eucharist on the same day. I just came from a Maronite Baptism. During the Rite of Exorcism, the congregation is told to turn around and face the back of the church, forming a human shield against the catechumen - "Do you reject satan? And all his works? .... In fact, the service begins at the back of the church where the priest greets the parents, godparents and catechumen. A brother and sister were baptized / chrismated today. The entire service is filled with ancient prayers, hymns, psalms and readings. Just beautiful!

The sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, and Eucharist are interrelated and all three are required for full Christian initiation. The Christian is born anew by Baptism, strengthened by Confirmation, and receives in the Eucharist the food of eternal life. The Sacraments are supposed to be administered in that order. Only the Latin Church, AFAIK, has changed that order. My daughter, like your girls, was not confirmed until 12th grade (she dropped out in 11th but agreed to complete the program in 12th.) The pastor asked me to teach one of the 11th grade confirmation groups. I was appalled at the program being used. I used the book as a guideline and introduced them to our rich heritage of prayers and the lives of the saints. My group was the only one where all of the kids chose names of saints. It is my understanding that some dioceses are now returning to the previous method of confirming the children in 3rd grade rather than making them wait so long.

157 posted on 07/25/2010 2:25:23 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: NYer; Salvation
Very informative, thanks!

An aside: We have a fellow in our area who reminds me of you and Salvation (in terms of your devotion, knowledge, and ability to educate fellow Catholics). He has acted as the server at many of our Latin Masses. Now I am afraid he is leaving the area. What a loss for us! I'm sure your parishes cling to you like Locktite also!

Another personal aside (really aside): A book came out recently about a fairly well-known deceased physicist. Turns out the biography references my brother who was the closest working colleague and "best friend" of this individual for several years.

Though the author (who interviewed my brother in 2008) does an exemplary job throughout most of the work, for some reason he felt the need to include a less-than-flattering description of a certain episode in my brother's past. Seemed gratuitous to me, but unfortunately is probably factual.

Anyway, the physicist who is the subject of the book was an atheist and although brilliant ("Second to Einstein" as my brother describes him), was not the kind of person an observant Catholic would want to spend much time around outside of strict professional involvement. He is widely acknowledged as having been the originator of the "Many Worlds Hypothesis" -- although Bryce DeWitt later coined that term -- which I see as a way to convince people there is no Heaven and Hell (or God and Satan) but rather a never-ending series of parallel universes where all possible outcomes occur. In other words, a handy tool of the devil to weaken Christian beliefs. In fact, it worked with his daughter, who committed suicide expecting to join her deceased father in a "parallel universe".

So, anyway, my Catholic appeal after this long and somewhat sordid personal story is to pray for my brother, who was somewhat influenced by this guy along the way. To what extent I don't know (not close to him and he lives on the other coast), but I strongly suspect he did not emerge spiritually unscathed. The episode I referred to earlier, although not at all uncommon, is not something I am proud of, though it happened decades ago. Really not too keen on having it in print, however! The passage also mentions my dad's name for background (who was an excellent Catholic) so there is no question which family is being talked about. Sorry for the long story. I didn't really proofread this. Prayers for my brother and even the weird physicist and his daughter welcomed.

158 posted on 07/25/2010 3:44:45 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Tax-chick; Mrs. Don-o; Myrddin; Judith Anne

Ping to a personal story in #158 in case you are interested (you were selected for this ping because there has been some small amount of personal/family interchange in the past lol).


159 posted on 07/25/2010 3:50:22 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86
a never-ending series of parallel universes where all possible outcomes occur

A common trope in science fiction stories for many years, but not something I'd ever considered taking seriously. I'm sorry about the poor publicity for your family, and I'll pray for all of you and the late physicist. My brother pays much more attention to science news than I do.

160 posted on 07/25/2010 6:01:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I hate other cultures. Everyone is rude and they never wash or use deodorant."~Anoreth)
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To: steve86
I Just prayed A Divine Mercy. An St Gertrude the Great free souls prayer.
161 posted on 07/25/2010 8:31:45 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: steve86; Tax-chick
It is significant to me that people who reject the infinite God, almost invariably have to put something else into the "Infinity Placeholder." For some reason, inexplicable to philosophical materialism, we have brains with the intricate and "evolutionarily" irrelevant and expensive capacity to think of things which actually do not exist in the physical universe: the infinity of primes, the infinity of the decimal places in pi (now calculated to 10 trillion places and still going), eternity, transcendance, a perfect circle.

For some reason, our brains were built to specifications which go beyond material reality as we know it.

So: an never-ending series of parallel universes, eh? Just another "fix" to fill the God-shaped hole. I will certainly bow my head and pray for your brother and for all souls who feel inexplicably out of place, souls who all their lives have been longing for...What?

162 posted on 07/26/2010 7:43:41 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Holy God, we praise thy Name. Lord of all, we bow before Thee,")
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To: NYer

Thanks for posting the truth. Just because a man can build a chapel/church and hire dissenting priests to say a Mass, does not mean he is an active Catholic.

In fact, his church is not even recognized by the Diocese of Los Angeles.

Cardinal Mahoney wouldn’t do anything about it, and I suspect Archbishop Gomez is quietly working in the background as is his style!


163 posted on 07/26/2010 9:35:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nikos1121

Mel into Soupy Sales, I remember him and yes you’re right he does.


164 posted on 08/02/2010 3:35:51 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: evangmlw; rbmillerjr
You’re in for a sad surprise and awakening one day my friend. I hope it’s prior to you crossing over into eternity.

Ah, so someone from some fringe group like the moonies, Seventh day Adventists etc who is not even in the orthodox Protestatn groups like the orthodox Anglicans, Lutherans / Methodists now is able to interpret and speak for God

What do they call the "pasters" in your group? Prophets? Or Imams?

Bah, no wonder the 6th and 7th generation Protestant groups die out so quickly (the first gen: took 500 years, like the Arians, Marcionites etc., the 4th and 5th (Baptist, Pentecostals) burn out in 50-70 years and now the new 6th generation is led by loonies deviating completely from Christ's teachings and no wonder it burns out quickly)

Charlatans all..
165 posted on 08/16/2010 9:00:38 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: evangmlw
ha! Baptists came from Anabaptists who came from Puritans who came from the Anglicans

The Baptist faith originated from within the English Separatist movement. Prior to the Protestant Reformation, the Church of England (Anglicans) had broken away from the Catholic Church. Then came the mainstream Reformation

Then came John Smyth

in 1606, John Smyth, a Fellow of Christ’s College, Cambridge, had broken his ties with the Church of England. Reared in the Church of England, he became "Puritan, English Separatist, and then a Baptist Separatist," and ended his days working with the Mennonites


166 posted on 08/16/2010 9:07:05 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: evangmlw

Yes, leave your false group and join Christ’s Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church


167 posted on 08/16/2010 9:08:27 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos

John the “Baptist,” the forerunner of Jesus Himself, came long before the ana-baptist and the catholics.


168 posted on 08/16/2010 9:13:31 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw
Ha ha, so now you use the suffix of St. John to justify the creation of a sect in the 1600s?

Baptists were founded by John Smyth, an English separatist in 1609 who was reared in the Church of England, he became "Puritan, English Separatist, and then a Baptist Separatist," and ended his days working with the Mennonites

The guy was first in the Anglicans, then joined the Calvinist, then jumped to the English Separatists, then the Baptist separatists and then the Mennonites.

Baptists then took much of their stuff from Anabaptists and ta da created their mix, founded by Smyth, not by Christ. Just another man-made religion that denies and attacks Christ's ONE Holy Apostolic Catholic Church,
169 posted on 08/16/2010 10:10:47 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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